Do Men Have Authority Over Women?

[reformed1689]

I can definitely agree with that!

That is what I have been saying! Goodness..

 

[atpollard]

Which is your opinion and I disagree with your opinion.

Their support for what God calls “an abomination” (Leviticus 18:22) is a fact, not an opinion.
The belief that following the teaching of those that “call good, evil” and “call evil, good” is a bad idea … that is, indeed, my opinion.

 

[Naomanos]

That was not the question, the question was, is it BIBLICAL.

If you can not get that from what I said I'm not sure you are actually reading my replies.

 

[reformed1689]

When is it within reason to force someone to violate their conscience?

?

If the wife's conscience says the kids should not go to church, it is absolutely right to go against that.

 

[Naomanos]

Their support for what God calls “an abomination” (Leviticus 18:22) is a fact, not an opinion.
The belief that following the teaching of those that “call good, evil” and “call evil, good” is a bad idea … that is, indeed, my opinion.

I quoted exactly what I thought was your opinion.

 

[marks]

Maybe the way we are here is a lot like the way we are with our wives.

There's something to think about!

Much love!

 

[reformed1689]

Are you now a mind reader because you lack self awareness? You don't see how you are deflecting, therefore, I must be floundering? No, I'm not floundering. I only wish we could have a higher level discussion without having to talk about whether I'm floundering or not. Just more of people's negative opinions of others to clutter the forum.

I switched your hypothetical situation to it being you the one who wanted to keep the kids out of church, and your wife being the one who wanted to keep them there.

I asked, do you talk about it until agreement is reached, or do you just make that decision and pull them out?

I asked if it makes you right to "use your God given authority", and make this choice on your own?

You answered, the right answer is the kids stay in church. But you did not answer my question, whether you would be right. And so that was a deflection.

Best to just recognize it, own it, move on if you don't care, fix it if you do, but don't deny it.

Much love!

Perhaps I misread. I didn't see that you switched the roles. No if the husband is openly sinning, the wife should take the kids to church and get the leaders of the church involved to confront the husband.

 

[reformed1689]

If you can not get that from what I said I'm not sure you are actually reading my replies.

So you think gay marriage is biblical then? Then that settles it, you really don't follow Scripture.

 

[Waiting on him]

God gives a man the headship. Man grasps for power. That's what I see.

This is a Gem.

 

[Naomanos]

That is what I have been saying! Goodness..

No, it is not what you have been saying. If it was I would have agreed with that along time ago.

What the other poster said isn't t what you said. Unless you haven't explained it too well.

 

[marks]

If the wife's conscience says the kids should not go to church, it is absolutely right to go against that.

Is your answer then, Yes, you can fully force someone to do what they fully believe is wrong, if you believe they are wrong, and, in your example, will have a negative impact on someone else.

Is there a time when it is not reasonable or right to force your wife to disobey her conscience even if you think she's wrong, or is this across the board?

Much love!

 

[VictoryinJesus]

He also states that those that burn with passion should marry. So, which is it?

I’ve always wonder how that becomes automatically to burn with sexual desire….if he can’t contain himself then let him marry. Could passions also be those passions for the world and the things of the world? As in like passions
James 5:17 Elias was a man subject to like passions as we are, and he prayed earnestly that it might not rain: and it rained not on the earth by the space of three years and six months.
Marry what or whom? 2 Corinthians 11:29 Who is weak, and I am not weak? who is offended, and I burn not?

Is Paul suggesting he burns? The Lexico version has “set on fire”


2 Corinthians 11:28 Lexicon: Apart from such external things, there is the daily pressure on me of concern for all the churches.


2 Corinthians 11:29 Lexicon: Who is weak without my being weak? Who is led into sin without my intense concern?

 

[reformed1689]

Is it OK with you to force someone to violate their conscience?

Simple question.

Is your answer then, Yes, you can fully force someone to do what they fully believe is wrong, if you believe they are wrong.

There is a LOT more to a marriage then where you take your kids to church.

Much love!

I didn't say anything about WHERE you take your kids. I said her position is that they no longer go to church, as in at all.

 

[reformed1689]

Or maybe I am exactly who He wants me to be and it is not me who needs to change?

We ALL need to change continually until we see him face to face, so that is a pretty arrogant position.

 

[Naomanos]

So you think gay marriage is biblical then? Then that settles it, you really don't follow Scripture.

That is not what I said.

What I said in the beginning of that reply is this, "If it is their choice to marry after I say that they shouldn't, who am I to stop them?"

I cannot stop them if they choose to marry after I tell them that they shouldn't.

That alone says I don't agree with gay marriage. However, I cannot stop them from marrying if they choose to continue on.

 

[marks]

I didn't say anything about WHERE you take your kids. I said her position is that they no longer go to church, as in at all.

I'm sorry, I got confused on that post, and was answering something not said. I've rewritten it . . .

 

[reformed1689]

That is not what I said.

What I said in the beginning of that reply is this, "If it is their choice to marry after I say that they shouldn't, who am I to stop them?"

I cannot stop them if they choose to marry after I tell them that they shouldn't.

That alone says I don't agree with gay marriage. However, I cannot stop them from marrying if they choose to continue on.

And nobody said anything about stopping them. I asked you a simple question if it was biblical. Which you still have not directly answered. You said they shouldn't but you didn't say it was not biblical.

 

[Naomanos]

We ALL need to change continually until we see him face to face, so that is a pretty arrogant position.

It was not meant to be arrogant.

It was meant to say maybe I am who He wants me to be in this marriage and that I don't need to change. There is no arrogance in that statement and doesn't state there aren't other things that I do need to change about me.

 

[Naomanos]

And nobody said anything about stopping them. I asked you a simple question if it was biblical. Which you still have not directly answered. You said they shouldn't but you didn't say it was not biblical.

I said that I don't agree with it, does that not mean that I don't think it's Biblical?

Do I need to say those exact words?

 

[reformed1689]

It was not meant to be arrogant.

It was meant to say maybe I am who He wants me to be in this marriage and that I don't need to change. There is no arrogance in that statement and doesn't state there aren't other things that I do need to change about me.

I think all husbands need to continually change as well. There is no perfect husband out there, myself included.