Bible alone!

[theefaith]

Does it mean God "went and got" His only son?

Please redefine it for me.

begotten not made

it’s defined by the apostolic tradition with authority from Christ
Jesus is God the second person of the trinity


Authority of the Apostles!

What authority does Christ have?
What power does Christ have?
What mission / ministry does Christ have?

Peter, the apostles and their successors have the same authority, power, and mission! Jn 20:21 as my father sent me, even so send I you!

 

[theefaith]

Matthew 24:35
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
Only God can say this

 

[Behold]

I discovered the truth of Hebrews 1 saying Jesus was made....If he was made, he was created.

Christ is the Word who became flesh.
He is God who became a human body.
"Thomas upon seeing Jesus for the first time after Christ was resurrected, kneeled before Him and said, my Lord and my God".
Jesus did not correct Him, as why would God correct the truth?
His name is Emmanuel, which means "God with Us".....as Jesus is God become one of Us.
His Birth Father is God, our born again Spirit's Father is God.

 

[theefaith]

I agree. But tradition that contradicts and opposes scripture is not apostolic, it is of man's devising.


By the same Spirit that inspired scripture.


By the same Spirit that inspired scripture

Keep it out of the hands of Catholic apologists and self proclaimed textual critics.

The same Spirit that inspired scripture.

The same Spirit that inspired scripture.

No, I uphold, respect, submit and honor the authority of the Spirit that inspired the scriptures.

First you have to define that authority before you venture into it's ongoing nature.

Only of the church grants him that authority. Would you give president Biden, president Trump, prime minister Trudeau or any politician the authority to call a church council?

no I did not say regional government leaders but emperor
Big difference

what if you according to the HS says the gospel of Thomas is not scripture and I by the HS say it is scripture then what?

and it’s not individual Christian who have authority from Christ to proclaim the truth but the apostles Jn 8:32 & 16:13 Matt 28:19

 

[theefaith]

KJV Isaiah 55:6-11
6 Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near:
7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.
8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
10 For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater:
11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

The scriptures do not belong to us. It is the word of God. They are His words, not yours to do with according to your will, but they are God's, and they accomplish His will, and are sent to whomsoever He wills.

In confining scripture to be interpreted and understood only by your church, you place your church above the word of God, giving your church authority over and above God.
You effectually deny God and cast Him aside, denying Him the relationship with His own redeemed people for whom He bled and died.

not my church but thee church
Christ and his church are one!
Acts 9:4 eph 5:32

 

[theefaith]

And the church has thee faith Jude 1:3
The church wrote the New Testament

 

[Truther]

The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us. We have seen His glory, the glory of the one and only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

became
ἐγένετο (egeneto)
Verb - Aorist Indicative Middle - 3rd Person Singular
Strong's Greek 1096: A prolongation and middle voice form of a primary verb; to cause to be, i.e. to become, used with great latitude.

You abandoned the KJV for a biased translation.

Made denotes created.

Became denotes reincarnating from one life form to another.

 

[Truther]

begotten not made

it’s defined by the apostolic tradition with authority from Christ
Jesus is God the second person of the trinity


Authority of the Apostles!

What authority does Christ have?
What power does Christ have?
What mission / ministry does Christ have?

Peter, the apostles and their successors have the same authority, power, and mission! Jn 20:21 as my father sent me, even so send I you!

Does the Bible say "begotten not made"?

Where?

 

[Truther]

Christ is the Word who became flesh.
He is God who became a human body.
"Thomas upon seeing Jesus for the first time after Christ was resurrected, kneeled before Him and said, my Lord and my God".
Jesus did not correct Him, as why would God correct the truth?
His name is Emmanuel, which means "God with Us".....as Jesus is God become one of Us.
His Birth Father is God, our born again Spirit's Father is God.

No, Christ was made from a sperm cell from the spoken word.

God never BECAME a microscopic cell in Mary's ovaries, as incarnationists won't admit they teach.

"Became" denotes the Spirit turned into a cell to mate with Mary's egg.

 

[theefaith]

Christ is the Word who became flesh.
He is God who became a human body.
"Thomas upon seeing Jesus for the first time after Christ was resurrected, kneeled before Him and said, my Lord and my God".
Jesus did not correct Him, as why would God correct the truth?
His name is Emmanuel, which means "God with Us".....as Jesus is God become one of Us.
His Birth Father is God, our born again Spirit's Father is God.

his human nature was created
Fully God
Fully man

 

[theefaith]

You abandoned the KJV for a biased translation.

Made denotes created.

Became denotes reincarnating from one life form to another.

Not reincarnated but incarnated


the KJV is somehow unbiased?

the kjv negate the word of God deleting Dan 13 & 14 among others

 

[theefaith]

What authority did the KJV boys have from Christ?
Are they apostles?

 

[theefaith]

Does the Bible say "begotten not made"?

Where?

Hebrews 5:5
So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.

 

[David in NJ]

You abandoned the KJV for a biased translation.

Made denotes created.

Became denotes reincarnating from one life form to another.

The sentence structure does not give us the 'created' label and definitely not reincarnation that you currently assume.

Read and meditate on John ch1, Genesis chapters 1-3 and Hebrews chapters 1-3 , Colossians chapter 1

After you thoroughly go over these scriptures with prayer and a open heart and mind unto Christ - then we can move forward to even more.

God is TRUTH, Truth is God and without Truth no one knows God.

 

[theefaith]

The sentence structure does not give us the 'created' label and definitely not reincarnation that you currently assume.

Read and meditate on John ch1, Genesis chapters 1-3 and Hebrews chapters 1-3 , Colossians chapter 1

After you thoroughly go over these scriptures with prayer and a open heart and mind unto Christ - then we can move forward to even more.

God is TRUTH, Truth is God and without Truth no one knows God.

Truth must be revealed by God thru Christ to His church (the apostles Jude 1:3) then must be proposed by the church, (Matt 28:19 gal 3:23) without error by the Holy Spirit! (Jn 16:13)

Christ and His church are one! (Acts 9:4 eph 5:31 Jn 15:1-5)
But truther won’t hear!

He is Saul with thick black fundamentalist scales

he needs the blinding light of Christ!

Saul thought he was doing the will of God and acting righteously

Acts 9:1 And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest,

2 And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem.

3 And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:

4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?

5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

6 And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.

13 Then Ananias answered, Lord, I have heard by many of this man, how much evil he hath done to thy saints at Jerusalem:

Then the risen Christ appeared!
The blinding light of truth prevailed!

 

[David in NJ]

Truth must be revealed by God thru Christ to His church (the apostles Jude 1:3) then must be proposed by the church, (Matt 28:19 gal 3:23) without error by the Holy Spirit! (Jn 16:13)

Christ and His church are one! (Acts 9:4 eph 5:31 Jn 15:1-5)
But truther won’t hear!

He is Saul with thick black fundamentalist scales

he needs the blinding light of Christ!

Saul thought he was doing the will of God and acting righteously

Acts 9:1 And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest,

2 And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem.

3 And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:

4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?

5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

6 And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.

13 Then Ananias answered, Lord, I have heard by many of this man, how much evil he hath done to thy saints at Jerusalem:

Then the risen Christ appeared!
The blinding light of truth prevailed!

God reveals Truth directly to me from His Word thru the Holy Spirit because I am a permanent Member of His Body = the Church made without. hands.

 

[theefaith]

God reveals Truth directly to me from His Word thru the Holy Spirit because I am a permanent Member of His Body = the Church made without. hands.

you won’t find that in scripture

what if both claim that and the opposing side of a statement

like I say only water baptism and you say spirit baptism

how do we know who is right?

how do we settle it and find the truth?

Jn 8:32

 

[Brakelite]

Truth must be revealed by God thru Christ to His church (the apostles Jude 1:3) then must be proposed by the church, (Matt 28:19 gal 3:23) without error by the Holy Spirit! (Jn 16:13)

Christ and His church are one! (Acts 9:4 eph 5:31 Jn 15:1-5)
But truther won’t hear!

He is Saul with thick black fundamentalist scales

he needs the blinding light of Christ!

Saul thought he was doing the will of God and acting righteously

Acts 9:1 And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest,

2 And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem.

3 And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:

4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?

5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

6 And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.

13 Then Ananias answered, Lord, I have heard by many of this man, how much evil he hath done to thy saints at Jerusalem:

Then the risen Christ appeared!
The blinding light of truth prevailed!

Have you ever had that experience @theefaith ? Have you met Jesus and experienced the reality of His presence in your life? Have you heard Him speaking to you individually, revealing Himself through His scriptures and granting you the assurance of salvation and eternal life?

 

[David in NJ]

you won’t find that in scripture

what if both claim that and the opposing side of a statement

like I say only water baptism and you say spirit baptism

how do we know who is right?

how do we settle it and find the truth?

Jn 8:32

100% in the Word of God and the LORD Jesus Christ is my High Priest and the Author and Finisher of my Salvation.

While you are in disobedience to God's Will, we who are Sanctified and Filled with the Holy Spirit are ever onward and upward in our walk with Christ.

 

[Truther]

his human nature was created
Fully God
Fully man

God is 100% man?

Is that what Jesus described God as per John 4:24?