Incarnation is a form of reincarnation.
One life form becoming another life form.
This incarnation lingo is pagan in it's roots, so they got rid of the "re" and sugar coated it.
Bible alone!
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One life form becoming another life form.
This incarnation lingo is pagan in it's roots, so they got rid of the "re" and sugar coated it.
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Here is the sentence structure...
1 In the beginning was the (SPOKEN)Word, and the (SPOKEN)Word was with God, and the (SPOKEN)Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him(VIA HIS SPOKEN WORD); and without him was not any thing made that was made....
14 And the (SPOKEN)Word was made flesh(SPERM CELL), and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth...
Now, here is the spoken word at work....
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light...
6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters...
9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so...
11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so...
14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:...
20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven....
24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so...
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Brakelite
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You know when you are wrong. Your conscience informs you if you are listening. If two people claim to have the truth but disagree, obviously one is wrong, and needs to learn. No condemnation of course. People can be mistaken. And that includes popes and Cardinals and bishops and councils. No man is infallible, and a pronouncement by a wannabe power hungry prelate in the late 19th century doesn't make it so. History declares loudly and strongly that no Pope, past present or future had ever been infallible in his pontificating.
David in NJ
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You are standing on a false foundation and therefore your understanding of who the LORD is false.
The WORD is a Person and the WORD spoke and that WORD is ELOHIM(God).
The WORD who is ELOHIM(God) from the Beginning decided to come to earth and made for HIMSELF a Body.
Therefore, when He came into the world, He said:
“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire,
But a body You have prepared for Me.
In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin
You had no pleasure.
Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come—
In the volume of the book it is written of Me—
To do Your will, O God.’ ”
Hebrews 10:5-7
no! I just defend his truth & holy church cos I’m bored And don’t have anything else to do!
I live for God who created me!
I live for Christ who redeemed me by His blood on the cross!
I live for the Holy Ghost who sanctified me in His grace and sacraments thru the holy church founded by Christ for the salvation of all men!
you did not answer my question
how can you be in Christ and the new covenant without baptism?
No both God and man
The God-man
Two natures in one person
Only God can do that
Only God can be that
Matthew 24:35
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
only God’s word is eternal not mans
load of manure
he became man
and you must believe in the divinity of Christ and the trinity cos it’s divine revelation and apostolic tradition
Truth must be revealed by God, and in its fullness in the sacred deposit of faith by Christ to his church! Eph 4:5 Jude 1:3 and must be taught by the church, or proposed for our belief by the apostles!
Matt 28:19-20 Lk 1:4 Jn 20:21 acts 8:31
Rom 1:5 col 2:7 1 Tim 3:15 matt 18:17
Wait.
Are you saying the world was NOT created by the spoken word of God?
Was it really created by a person of the trinity called "word" which did it?
The first person really did nothing?
Or, did God speak the world into existence through, by and for His human son, whom He always knew?
The new covenant unity:
Union with Christ the mediator and communion with God and the saints is based on “unity of faith”
“Thee faith” of the new covenant that all must believe without any error, false or strange doctrines foreign to “thee faith” of the new covenant!
“Thee faith” is found 31 times in the New Testament!
Obedience of faith: rom 16:26
Ephesians 4:1
I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called, With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. ...
Romans 12:16
Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.
Romans 15:6
That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Corinthians 13:11
Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you.
Philippians 1:27
Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;
Philippians 2:2
Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind.
1 Peter 3:8
Finally, be ye all of one mind, having compassion one of another, love as brethren, be pitiful, be courteous:
Eph 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism
2 Timothy 4:7
I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith.
Jude 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
Athanasius Creed!
(From the early church)
Whoever desires to be saved must above all hold to the catholic faith.
Anyone who does not keep it whole and entire will doubtless perish eternally.
One church founded by Jesus Christ!
there is only one!
One God!
One Lord!
One savior!
One faith!
One new covenant!
One kingdom!
One household of faith!
One vineyard!
One church! (Not thousands of sects All teaching different doctrines all on the Bible alone, by the tradition of men)
Only Christ has authority to found the new covenant church! Matt 16:18-19
One shepherd one fold Jn 10:16
1 Tim 3:15 pillar and ground of truth
All men must be taught by the church!
Truth is revealed by God, fully by Christ, and must be proposed for our belief by holy mother church! Matt 28:19 Lk 1:4 Acts 8:31 eph 4:5 Jude 1:3 one faith
Unity of faith!
Four Marks of the True Church founded by Jesus Christ on Peter, the apostles, and their successors!
One, holy, catholic (universal) and apostolic (succeeding from Christ, Peter and the apostles)
The initiation or being born again into the new covenant church is baptismal regeneration!
God breathed life into Adam, gen 2:7 and we received this life from our fathers!
Christ breathed on the apostles our spiritual fathers, we receive the new covenant life of God’s grace from them thru faith & baptism! Jn 20:21-23 Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38
Born again! Born from above!
'The Father has set his seal' on Christ (John 6:27) and also seals us in him (cf. 2 Corinthians 1:22; Ephesians 1:23, 4:30). Because this seal indicates the indelible effect of the anointing with the Holy Spirit in the sacrament of Baptism,
Baptism indeed is the seal of eternal life." 87 The faithful Christian who has "kept the seal" until the end, remaining faithful to the demands of his Baptism, will be able to depart this life "marked with the sign of faith," 88 with his baptismal faith, in expectation of the blessed vision of God - the consummation of faith - and in the hope of resurrection.
St. Paul tells the faithful at Ephesus that they have been “sealed with the promised Holy Spirit.” This is in terms of an indelible character imprinted on the soul in the sacraments of baptism and confirmation. It is not as if this invisible mark is simply decorative. Rather, through it, we are enabled to participate in Christ’s mission and in his offices of priest, prophet, and king. Eph 1:13
Sealed by God eph 1:13 sealed by God (ez 36:25-27) in the ark of salvation by baptism just as Noah was sealed by God in the ark of the flood gen 7:16
1 Pet 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
(Outside the ark of Noah none were saved, outside the church (the ark of salvation) none are saved!)
Sealed in the ark, sealed in the church the ark of salvation by baptism!
Choose!
Tale of two cities!
The city of God!
The city of man / Satan!
The race of man, after its miserable fall from God, the Creator and the Giver of heavenly gifts, "through the envy of the devil," separated into two diverse and opposite parts, of which the one steadfastly contends for truth and virtue, the other of those things which are contrary to virtue and to truth.
The one is the kingdom of God on earth, namely, the true Church of Jesus Christ; and those who desire from their heart to be united with it, so as to gain salvation, must of necessity serve God and His only-begotten Son with their whole mind and with an entire will.
The other is the kingdom of Satan, in whose possession and control are all whosoever follow the fatal example of their leader and of our first parents, those who refuse to obey the divine and eternal law, and who have many aims of their own in contempt of God, and many aims also against God.
This twofold kingdom St. Augustine keenly discerned and described after the manner of two cities, contrary in their laws because striving for contrary objects; and with a subtle brevity he expressed the efficient cause of each in these words: "Two loves formed two cities: the love of self, reaching even to contempt of God, an earthly city; and the love of God, reaching to contempt of self, a heavenly one." At every period of time each has been in conflict with the other, with a variety and multiplicity of weapons and of warfare, although not always with equal ardour and assault.
The city of God: Flock of sheep!
The new covenant church of Jesus Christ!
Calm waters / green pastures
No changes
Faithful
obedience
Submissive
Rules, rituals, commandments
Christians saints
Rightous Children of God
Humble
Meek
Patience
The communion of saints!
City of man / Satan: Flock of goats!
The flock that rocks!
Rocky places
Constant change
Unfaithful protesting
Disobedience
Rebellion
Protests
Heretics full of errors
Children of unrighteousness
Pride
Presumptuous
Arrogance
The camp of heretics!
Tale of two cities!
The city of God!
The city of man / Satan!
The race of man, after its miserable fall from God, the Creator and the Giver of heavenly gifts, "through the envy of the devil," separated into two diverse and opposite parts, of which the one steadfastly contends for truth and virtue, the other of those things which are contrary to virtue and to truth.
The one is the kingdom of God on earth, namely, the true Church of Jesus Christ; and those who desire from their heart to be united with it, so as to gain salvation, must of necessity serve God and His only-begotten Son with their whole mind and with an entire will.
The other is the kingdom of Satan, in whose possession and control are all whosoever follow the fatal example of their leader and of our first parents, those who refuse to obey the divine and eternal law, and who have many aims of their own in contempt of God, and many aims also against God.
This twofold kingdom St. Augustine keenly discerned and described after the manner of two cities, contrary in their laws because striving for contrary objects; and with a subtle brevity he expressed the efficient cause of each in these words: "Two loves formed two cities: the love of self, reaching even to contempt of God, an earthly city; and the love of God, reaching to contempt of self, a heavenly one." At every period of time each has been in conflict with the other, with a variety and multiplicity of weapons and of warfare, although not always with equal ardour and assault.
The city of God: Flock of sheep!
The new covenant church of Jesus Christ!
Calm waters / green pastures
No changes
Faithful
obedience
Submissive
Rules, rituals, commandments
Christians saints
Rightous Children of God
Humble
Meek
Patience
The communion of saints!
City of man / Satan: Flock of goats!
The flock that rocks!
Rocky places
Constant change
Unfaithful protesting
Disobedience
Rebellion
Protests
Heretics full of errors
Children of unrighteousness
Pride
Presumptuous
Arrogance
The camp of heretics!
He said all of that here?...
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Or, you added the "God is man and has a human nature" to it?
So, you are convinced that God became a microscopic sperm cell in the ovaries of Mary to fertilize her egg, right?
The creed you quoted says "one shepherd".
Is the Pope that shepherd or another of the one shepherds?
David in NJ
Well-Known Member
Whoever adds to God's words or take away from them will be held accountable as a liar for the truth is not in them.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2He was in the beginning with God.
3All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
4In Him was life, and the life was the light of men.
5And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.
6There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7This man came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all through him might believe. 8He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9That was the true Light which gives light to every man coming into the world.
10He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. 11He came to His own, and His [d]own did not receive Him. 12But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: 13who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
Immanuel = God with us
Whoever adds to God's words or take away from them will be held accountable as a liar for the truth is not in them.
Every word of God is pure;
He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him.
Do not add to His words,
Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar.
God was with us by being inside Jesus or the microscopic sperm cell that had just mated with Mary's egg was God with us?
jn 16:13
The apostles are without error
Lk 10:16
If the church can be in error then Christ is in error
is that possible?
David in NJ
Well-Known Member
God did not mate with Mary - another carnal falsehood.
ELOHIM is THREE Who are ECHAD ELOHIM = Foundation of TRUTH Beginning in Genesis.
ELOHIM is TRUTH and TRUTH is ELOHIM without TRUTH no man can ever know TRUTH.
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