Bible alone!

[Truther]

God did not mate with Mary - another carnal falsehood.

ELOHIM is THREE Who are ECHAD ELOHIM = Foundation of TRUTH Beginning in Genesis.

ELOHIM is TRUTH and TRUTH is ELOHIM without TRUTH no man can ever know TRUTH.

Wait.

Wasn't Jesus microscopic in her ovaries at the beginning?

If not, was he placed in her as a fully developed fetus instantly?

Mary did not conceive him?

He falsely claimed he was the son of man(mankind)?

His scriptural bloodline(lineage) via Mary was wrong?

 

[David in NJ]

Wait.

Wasn't Jesus microscopic in her ovaries at the beginning?

If not, was he placed in her as a fully developed fetus instantly?

Mary did not conceive him?

He falsely claimed he was the son of man(mankind)?

His scriptural bloodline(lineage) via Mary was wrong?

Therefore, when He came into the world, He said:
“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire,
But a body You have prepared for Me.
6In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin
You had no pleasure.
7Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come—
In the volume of the book it is written of Me—
To do Your will, O God.’ ”

Then Mary said to the angel, “How can this be, since I [g]do not know a man?”
35And the angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God. 36Now indeed, Elizabeth your relative has also conceived a son in her old age; and this is now the sixth month for her who was called barren. 37For with God nothing will be impossible.”
38Then Mary said, “Behold the maidservant of the Lord! Let it be to me according to your word.” And the angel departed from her.

ELOHIM is TRUTH and TRUTH is ELOHIM and no man can know ELOHIM without TRUTH.

 

[theefaith]

He said all of that here?...

24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.


Or, you added the "God is man and has a human nature" to it?

Jn 2:32 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.

33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.

34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.

 

[theefaith]

So, you are convinced that God became a microscopic sperm cell in the ovaries of Mary to fertilize her egg, right?

no, he became man!

 

[amigo de christo]

Therefore, when He came into the world, He said:
“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire,
But a body You have prepared for Me.
6In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin
You had no pleasure.
7Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come—
In the volume of the book it is written of Me—
To do Your will, O God.’ ”

Then Mary said to the angel, “How can this be, since I [g]do not know a man?”
35And the angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God. 36Now indeed, Elizabeth your relative has also conceived a son in her old age; and this is now the sixth month for her who was called barren. 37For with God nothing will be impossible.”
38Then Mary said, “Behold the maidservant of the Lord! Let it be to me according to your word.” And the angel departed from her.

ELOHIM is TRUTH and TRUTH is ELOHIM and no man can know ELOHIM without TRUTH.

AND CHRIST JESUS IS THE TRUTH THE WAY AND THE LIFE , NO MAN CAN COME UNTO THE FATHER LEST BY HIM .
NOW HANDS UP AND LET THE GLORIOUS LORD BE PRAISED .

 

[amigo de christo]

In the BEGINNING was THE WORD and the WORD was with GOD and GOD was the Word .
And the WORD became FLESH and dwelt among us .
Hands up and let the glorious LORD be praised .

 

[theefaith]

The creed you quoted says "one shepherd".

Is the Pope that shepherd or another of the one shepherds?

John 10:11-18
I am the good shepherd: the goodshepherd giveth his life for the sheep. But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep. The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep. ...

peter and his successors are the vicar of Christ the good shepherd who administer the kingdom until his return

Matt 17:27 Jesus identified peter with himself.

Matt 16:17 Peter alone received revelation from the Father

Lk 22:32 Peter to strengthen his brethren (the apostles)

Jn 21:17 feed my sheep

 

[David in NJ]

AND CHRIST JESUS IS THE TRUTH THE WAY AND THE LIFE , NO MAN CAN COME UNTO THE FATHER LEST BY HIM .
NOW HANDS UP AND LET THE GLORIOUS LORD BE PRAISED .

As the saying goes - You(we) nailed it!
Now dwell on that.
Peace my Brother

 

[theefaith]

No, the church needs to get out of error or get spewed out

The church is an extension of Christ!

Jesus Christ extends his mission, power, and authority to His church of His apostles!

Even His judging!
Matt 19:28
His teaching authority!
Matt 28:19 and Jn 20:21
His power to forgive sins!
Jn 20:23
His being the light of the world!
Matt 5:14
His ministry of reconciliation!
2 cor 5:18
Apart from me you can do nothing. Jn 15:5
So the church is subject to Christ!
Eph 5:24

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Matt 18:17 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 acts 9:4 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20 acts 2:42 1 Tim 3:15

 

[Pearl]

Begotten does not mean created
Christ is the eternally begotten sin of God!

He wasn't 'begotten' until he was born of Mary and took on human form.

 

[theefaith]

AND CHRIST JESUS IS THE TRUTH THE WAY AND THE LIFE , NO MAN CAN COME UNTO THE FATHER LEST BY HIM .
NOW HANDS UP AND LET THE GLORIOUS LORD BE PRAISED .

Jn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

 

[theefaith]

He wasn't 'begotten' until he was born of Mary and took on human form.

eternally begotten of the father before all ages

can truther be a Christian if he denies the divinity of Christ and the trinity?

 

[Pearl]

eternally begotten of the father before all ages

can truther be a Christian if he denies the divinity of Christ and the trinity?

It isn't for me to judge if somebody is a Christian or not. Only God can do that because he knows our hearts.

 

[theefaith]

Let us take our helper (advocate) and intercessor the Virgin Mary, Mother of God, so that she, who from the moment of her conception overcame Satan may show her power over these evil sects, in which is revived the contumacious spirit of the demon, together with his unsubdued perfidy and deceit. Let us beseech Michael, the prince of the heavenly angels, who drove out the infernal foe; and Joseph, the spouse of the most holy Virgin, and heavenly patron of the Catholic Church; and the great Apostles, Peter and Paul, the fathers and victorious champions of the Christian faith. By their patronage, and by perseverance in united prayer, we hope that God will mercifully and opportunely succor the human race, which is encompassed by so many dangers.

Gen 3:15 I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her seed: she shall crush thy head, and thou shalt lie in wait for her heel.

Lk 1: 35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Lk 1:28 Hail Mary, full of grace!

It only by the power of the Holy Spirit thru the immaculate purity of Mary that the virgin-mother brings forth the Holy son of God!

Lk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

 

[theefaith]

It isn't for me to judge if somebody is a Christian or not. Only God can do that because he knows our hearts.

what happened to Mk 16:16
Faith (correct faith) and baptism?

 

[Truther]

Therefore, when He came into the world, He said:
“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire,
But a body You have prepared for Me.
6In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin
You had no pleasure.
7Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come—
In the volume of the book it is written of Me—
To do Your will, O God.’ ”

Then Mary said to the angel, “How can this be, since I [g]do not know a man?”
35And the angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God. 36Now indeed, Elizabeth your relative has also conceived a son in her old age; and this is now the sixth month for her who was called barren. 37For with God nothing will be impossible.”
38Then Mary said, “Behold the maidservant of the Lord! Let it be to me according to your word.” And the angel departed from her.

ELOHIM is TRUTH and TRUTH is ELOHIM and no man can know ELOHIM without TRUTH.

Notice the man speaking of his God giving him a prepared body in your verse here.

You can't gloss over that.

 

[Truther]

Jn 2:32 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.

33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.

34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.

Yes, not "God the son".

They are complete opposite in meaning.

 

[Truther]

no, he became man!

Our Spirit God turned into a human?

 

[David in NJ]

Notice the man speaking of his God giving him a prepared body in your verse here.

You can't gloss over that.

Of course! Why not!
ELOHIM firmly established HIS Eternal Triunity for us in Genesis = Elohim Father Elohim Son Elohim Holy Spirit
Immanuel = ELOHIM with us.

JESUS the Messiah, the son of man, the only begotten of the Father says:
My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand.
I and My Father are one.”

 

[Truther]

John 10:11-18
I am the good shepherd: the goodshepherd giveth his life for the sheep. But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep. The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep. ...

peter and his successors are the vicar of Christ the good shepherd who administer the kingdom until his return

Matt 17:27 Jesus identified peter with himself.

Matt 16:17 Peter alone received revelation from the Father

Lk 22:32 Peter to strengthen his brethren (the apostles)

Jn 21:17 feed my sheep

How many Good Shepherds are there?...

If there is only 1, then the rest are not good, correct?


14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.