HERESY?

[Enoch111]

Given that his name is NOT Emmanuel (but Jesus), it Scripturally proves the opposite of what you claim.

That is a blatant contradiction of the Bible (which is par for the course): Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. (Mt 1:22,23)

According to John 1:1 and many other passages, Jesus was "God with us" or "God manifest in the flesh". Anyone who denies this has the spirit of antichrist (1 John 2).

 

[Enoch111]

Emmanuel is a title.

According to Matthew 1:22,23, His NAME is Emmanuel (God with us). Many Hebrew names ended in "-el" such as Samuel (meaning "His name is El").
Yeshua (Jesus) is derived from Yah + Shua = God [is]our Salvation.

 

[Cooper]

Hi MS
I don't particularly enjoy speaking to the other poster...
However, I would like to tell You something I've already told him but he has not studied this at all apparently.

Emmanuel is a title.
Jesus is a name.

Simple as that.
Easy to read up on this.
These days we have Prof. Google.
;)

The other thing is, the angel said to call his name Jesus, and Matthew tells us he "shall be" called Emanuel which is future tense (prophetic) and that is what we do now.
.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Not sure where this should be...
the study of God seemed appropriate (maybe).

Every denomination has some teaching or doctrine that we would not agree with.

How would you explain the difference between an
incorrect teaching
and
a heretical teaching...?

IOW,,,when does an incorrect teaching become heretical?

Thanks.

Simple!! any teaching that LEADS AWAY FROM Eph 2:8,9 is heretical, and DEADLY.

 

[Cooper]

Hi MS
I don't particularly enjoy speaking to the other poster...
However, I would like to tell You something I've already told him but he has not studied this at all apparently.

Emmanuel is a title.
Jesus is a name.

Simple as that.
Easy to read up on this.
These days we have Prof. Google.
;)

I agree that Emmanuel is a title the same as "Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace in Isaiah 9:6 are titles, even though the text uses the word 'name.' When we click on H8034 שֵׁם shêm we find it is "an appellation, as a mark or memorial of individuality; by implication honor, authority, character: - + base, [in-] fame [-ous], name (-d), renown, report."
.

 

[Cooper]

According to Matthew 1:22,23, His NAME is Emmanuel (God with us). Many Hebrew names ended in "-el" such as Samuel (meaning "His name is El").
Yeshua (Jesus) is derived from Yah + Shua = God [is]our Salvation.

Except our Lord and Saviour answered to the name Jesus, and not Emmanuel.
.

 

[Enoch111]

Except our Lord and Saviour answered to the name Jesus, and not Emmanuel.
.

And what exactly is that supposed to prove? That His name was not also Emmanuel (plus another dozen or more names)?

 

[Cooper]

And what exactly is that supposed to prove? That His name was not also Emmanuel (plus another dozen or more names)?

Can you seriously imagine Jesus walking down the street and someone saying, "Good morning Emanuel, King of Kings, Lord of Lords and Mighty God?"

Even the disciples would not have done that. They called him by his name. The nearest they got to using a title was to say master.

Jesus only gained those titles after He conquered sin and death and ascended into heaven. Until then His work was not finished.

There is no record anywhere in Scripture of Jesus being called Emmanual.

As Matthew wrote, he "shall be..." called Emmanuel.
.

 

[Moriah's Song]

Emmanuel is a title.
Jesus is a name.

Simple as that.
Easy to read up on this.
These days we have Prof. Google.

Thanks for the insight. Do you have a Google link to the article that says the Greek for "name" is really a title?

Interestingly, I have a NT Bible titled "Tree of Life." I picked it up at a thrift shop because the title intiriged me. It is a Bible that is intended primarily for Jewish converts like the group "Jews For Jesus." The panel that put it out consisted of both Jewish and Gentile scholars. This Bible does say "His name will be Emmanuel.

Have you checked the Greek word for "name" to see if it does say "name" or "title?" I have 2 Lexicons and I will check them out too.

I am always cautious about "changes" if the Greek does not agree with support man's thoughts. I'm not saying that is what is happening here at all; just being cautious first.

We are living in an age now where people are bringing a Holy God down to their level. One example of that is that I saw a girl that had a T-shirt that had written on the back of it..."God rides a motorcycle." Other Christians I hear saying "I prayed and God found me a parking space close to the door." To me Santa Clause and the Easter bunny gets more attention than Jesus does these days. etc.

God Bless

 

[Wrangler]

According to John 1:1 and many other passages, Jesus was "God with us" or "God manifest in the flesh".

Sad. John 1:1 does not even mention Jesus and has nothing to do with Emmanual meaning 'God is with us.' What a desperate reaching for text that does not support your doctrine!

Can I say Anyone who denies this has the spirit of ant-God? Deuteronomy 6:4.

 

[GodsGrace]

According to Matthew 1:22,23, His NAME is Emmanuel (God with us). Many Hebrew names ended in "-el" such as Samuel (meaning "His name is El").
Yeshua (Jesus) is derived from Yah + Shua = God [is]our Salvation.

Then why wasn't Jesus Named Emmanuel?

 

[GodsGrace]

The other thing is, the angel said to call his name Jesus, and Matthew tells us he "shall be" called Emanuel which is future tense (prophetic) and that is what we do now.
.

Good point !

 

[GodsGrace]

I agree that Emmanuel is a title the same as "Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace in Isaiah 9:6 are titles, even though the text uses the word 'name.' When we click on H8034 שֵׁם shêm we find it is "an appellation, as a mark or memorial of individuality; by implication honor, authority, character: - + base, [in-] fame [-ous], name (-d), renown, report."
.

Agreed.
Good posts Cooper.
The truth is always provable.

 

[Moriah's Song]

Sad. John 1:1 does not even mention Jesus and has nothing to do with Emmanual meaning 'God is with us.' What a desperate reaching for text that does not support your doctrine!

Can I say Anyone who denies this has the spirit of ant-God? Deuteronomy 6:4.

???

Isaiah 7:14 - Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign. Behold, a young woman shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name Imman'u-el.(k)

(k)That is God is with us​

Isaiah - 8:8b & 9...8)and its outspread wings will fill the breadth of your land, O Imman'u-el." 9b)...speak a word, but it will not stand, for God is with us.
Isa 9:6​

Isa9:6 - "For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government will be upon his shoulder, and his name will be called "Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace."

Matthew 1:21-23 - "...she will bear a son and you shall call his name Jesus, for he will save his people* from their sins. All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had spoken by the prophet:

"Behold, a virgin shall conceive and bear a son,
and his name shall be called Emmanuel"
(which means, God with us)."​

Luke 1:31- 34 - "And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus. He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Most High; and the Lord God will give to him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over the house of Jacob * forever; and of his kingdom there will be not end." ...And the angel said to [Mary], "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born [of you] will be called holy, the son of God.

Luk 4:34 - "Ah! What have you to do with us, Jesus of Nazareth? Have you come to destroy us? I know who you are, the Holy One of God."

*Psa 46:7 - The LORD of hosts is with us; the God of Jacob is our refuge.​

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(αὐτός = His) (ὄνομα = name) αὐτοῦ (Ἐμμανουήλ = Immanuel) (ὅ = which)

(ἐστιν = means) (μεθερμηνευόμενον = translated) (μεθ = with) (ἡμῶν = us) (ὁ = see Strong's Def.) θεός/God

Strong’s Definitions - ὁ ho, ho;
- the definite article; the (sometimes to be supplied, at others omitted, in English idiom):—the, this, that, one, he, she, it, etc.

 

[GodsGrace]

Thanks for the insight. Do you have a Google link to the article that says the Greek for "name" is really a title?

Interestingly, I have a NT Bible titled "Tree of Life." I picked it up at a thrift shop because the title intiriged me. It is a Bible that is intended primarily for Jewish converts like the group "Jews For Jesus." The panel that put it out consisted of both Jewish and Gentile scholars. This Bible does say "His name will be Emmanuel.

Have you checked the Greek word for "name" to see if it does say "name" or "title?" I have 2 Lexicons and I will check them out too.

I am always cautious about "changes" if the Greek does not agree with support man's thoughts. I'm not saying that is what is happening here at all; just being cautious first.

We are living in an age now where people are bringing a Holy God down to their level. One example of that is that I saw a girl that had a T-shirt that had written on the back of it..."God rides a motorcycle." Other Christians I hear saying "I prayed and God found me a parking space close to the door." To me Santa Clause gets more attention than Jesus does these days. etc.

God Bless

I don't have a link.
I studied some theology years ago and learned a lot.
We used books back then!!!
If you take the time to search, OK
Otherwise if you can't, let me know and I will.
Also @Cooper has just posted very good comments....check them out.

 

[GodsGrace]

???

Isaiah 7:14 - Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign. Behold, a young woman shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name Imman'u-el.(k)

(k)That is God is with us​

Isaiah - 8:8b & 9...8)and its outspread wings will fill the breadth of your land, O Imman'u-el." 9b)...speak a word, but it will not stand, for God is with us.
Isa 9:6​

Isa9:6 - "For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government will be upon his shoulder, and his name will be called "Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace."

Matthew 1:21-23 - "...she will bear a son and you shall call his name Jesus, for he will save his people* from their sins. All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had spoken by the prophet:

"Behold, a virgin shall conceive and bear a son,
and his name shall be called Emmanuel"
(which means, God with us)."​

Luke 1:31- 34 - "And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus. He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Most High; and the Lord God will give to him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over the house of Jacob * forever; and of his kingdom there will be not end." ...And the angel said to [Mary], "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born [of you] will be called holy, the son of God.

Luk 4:34 - "Ah! What have you to do with us, Jesus of Nazareth? Have you come to destroy us? I know who you are, the Holy One of God."

*Psa 46:7 - The LORD of hosts is with us; the God of Jacob is our refuge.​

**************************************​

(αὐτός = His) (ὄνομα = name) αὐτοῦ (Ἐμμανουήλ = Immanuel) (ὅ = which)

(ἐστιν = means) (μεθερμηνευόμενον = translated) (μεθ = with) (ἡμῶν = us) (ὁ = see Strong's Def.) θεός/God

Strong’s Definitions - ὁ ho, ho;
- the definite article; the (sometimes to be supplied, at others omitted, in English idiom):—the, this, that, one, he, she, it, etc.

Check out Isaiah 9.6
His Name shall be called......
But He wasn't, right?

 

[GodsGrace]

According to Matthew 1:22,23, His NAME is Emmanuel (God with us). Many Hebrew names ended in "-el" such as Samuel (meaning "His name is El").
Yeshua (Jesus) is derived from Yah + Shua = God [is]our Salvation.

Some names began with el...
El shadai...

 

[Moriah's Song]

Check out Isaiah 9.6
His Name shall be called......
But He wasn't, right?

Thanks! I missed that one.

Isa 9:6 - For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government will be upon his shoulder, and his name will be called "Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace."

Agreed! But we could go on and on with all the names/titles that I have seen on a list, of which we have not added Lord, Savior, King etc.

 

[GodsGrace]

@Moriah's Song

From the Blue letter bible ,,, online

In the Old Testament times, a name was not only identification, but an identity as well. Many times a special meaning was attached to the name. Names had, among other purposes, an explanatory purpose (e.g., Nabal, whose name means "fool," is the target of Abigail's explanation to David: "For as his name is, so is he; Nabal is his name, and folly is with him:" - 1Sa 25:25). Throughout Scripture God reveals Himself to us through His names. When we study these names that He reveals to us in the Bible, we will better understand who God really is. The meanings behind God's names reveal the central personality and nature of the One who bears them.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...UQFnoECAgQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0DFqX8fCySA0snczqRjUBc

 

[charity]

That is a serious misunderstanding of the afterlife. The body of Christ lay in the tomb of Joseph or Arimathea. That was NOT Sheol/Hades. So you need to get a proper understanding of Sheol/Hades. The soul and spirit of Christ were in Sheol/Hades and that is also where all the souls and spirits of both the OT saints and the unsaved dead were -- "in the heart of the earth" or "in the lower parts of the earth" (but separated by a huge chasm). And that is exactly where Christ preached to the spirits in prison. So that is the only way that one can understand this passage:

Hello @Enoch111

Sheol/Hades both refer to the place of the dead: whatever that 'place' may be, whether it be a grave or a tomb, it is where the body lies, and where corruption takes place, hidden away from public gaze.

Enoch111 said:-

ACTS 2: THE RESURRECTION OF CHRIST
25 For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:
26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope: [Note: Christ knew He would rise again after three days]
27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in Hades, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. [Note: the KJV translators should not have inserted "hell" for Hades. Hell is Gehenna, the Lake of Fire]
28 Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.
29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in Hades, neither his flesh did see corruption.
32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

He was "quickened by the Spirit" or "made alive by the Spirit" at His resurrection. The Bible says that the Father raised Christ, the Holy Spirit raised Christ, and Christ also raised Himself. This was the combined work of the triune Godhead.

* Hell, Hades and Gehenna, all refer to the place of the dead, whether it be the fires of destruction at the end of the age, or the grave. Gehenna is used by our Lord for the fires of end time destruction yes, but it is still the place of the dead, as are the other two. That is why the word 'Hell' is used for all three, including the singular use of Tartaroo in Peter's epistle.

* The Lord's body was not left in the grave/tomb, the place of the dead: for His body was quickened by the Spirit into life once more. An act which was the combined work of the Godhead. Father, Son and Holy Spirit, I agree.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus