How does a "Heresy" operate?

[quietthinker]

What a Heresy does.........and remember all Heresies are "man made".


Paul describes the effect of becoming mentally controlled by a man - made Heresy.....such as Calvinism.

Paul says....>>"WHO...has BEWITCHED you... so that you no longer obey the TRUTH".

See that end result of becoming "mentally owned" by a heretic Like John Calvin or Joseph Smith or Mary Baker Eddy'?

They "bewitch you".......in other words with cunning deception they bypass your ability to recognize what they are doing to you, and that is how they capture your mind.

This is what it means to be '""bewitched"....or "spell bound".......and the end result is that you will "no longer obey the Truth.
That means you wont be able to recognize it so that you can believe it.........which means you have stopped believing the Truth.

Notice for example a deceived Calvinist.
What do they do on this forum?

A.) They try to lead you into Calvinism.......that is their MINISTRY... As once they became under the influence of this DEVIL... they became His servant.. .. Calvin's Disciple.
And that is why they try to LEAD Christians or anyone into CALVINISM and HYPER Calvinism.

These terribly deceived people come to "christian" forums and try to sell you their Calvinism.

This is a deceived person selling the lies of a Clever Devil..

Why do you think you are not deceived, Behold?

 

[David in NJ]

You've proven yourself otherwise.

When someone's words and behavior contradict, I look at the behavior. I find it more honest.

Much love!

How is the behavior of speaking the TRUTH of the Gospel to you unacceptable by you???

 

[David in NJ]

well what did peter tell simeon .
When simeons heart was not right . When he had tried to offer up money for the gift .
A . oh we are brethren you are saved by the blood of Christ
B . you are my dear brother in Christ
C . you are an intelligent man .
D . you are a baptist
E . YOUR MONEY PERISH WITH YOU .
ALL lies and errors MUST be exposed . seeker friendly has led many a church to total destructoin and to the lie itself .
THOSE who sin , OH DONT JUDGE WE ALL SIN
OR did paul say those who sin REBUKE sharply before all that others may also FEAR .
TIME WE BIBLE UP and laern that pattern well .

Love you my Brother

i am trying to approach this with marks on the most humble platform i can take

We either believe Christ at His words or we don't!

However, if we start placing our words upon Christ, that right there is a PROBLEM

 

[Behold]

Why do you think you are not deceived, Behold?

Thank you for the question..

A.) Paul's Theology, is all i teach.

See, im from "way back".. before the "great falling away" took the Grace of God , as "The Gospel" away from the Church this last 40 yrs.

We are living in the last days.. when... "preaching the Blood of Jesus".. and "The Cross of Christ"'..........is like..>>"what is that stuff".???

Yet its "that stuff" that BIRTHED REAL Christianity. and "that stuff" is Paul's Doctrine... only.

Thats where we are in these final days before the Rapture...... and in fact.. ."The True Gospel, that is Paul's Theology".. is making a headway in the last few years......Little revivals of it......small outbreaks... around the world......away from Legalism.. away from.... false gospels...

Galatians 1:8

See, Paul's Doctrine...., this is the Spiritual filter.. This is the Holy paradigm.....this is the THEOLOGICAL REALITY CHECK, that we use to define "oh that is heresy" "that is a cult".. "that is satanic". "they are a Heretic".

 

[David in NJ]

This is how I see you.

I see you as someone who doesn't understand the meanings of many passages of Scripture, and who strongly dislikes being challenged in their doctrines, and who will falsely accuse others, and speak evil of others, to deflect away from his shallow and uninformed arguments.

Now, go ahead, call me a liar, accuse me of calling Jesus a liar, dig your hole deeper.

i posted the precise scriptures from the LORD and the Apostles who all AGREE and say that the LORD comes AFTER the Tribulation.

Can you find just one scripture in the Gospel where JESUS says: "I will come BEFORE the AoD for My church/saints"

Can you find just one scripture from the Apostles that states: "We are to wait for pre-trib rapture"

Can you prove from scripture that i am lying by believing JESUS words - Matthew 24:29-31?

Can you prove from scripture that you are speaking truth when you say pre-trib rapture?

 

[David in NJ]

Either you are in complete denial, or you lack self awareness. There is nothing more I can do.

Much love!

You can prove that you love JESUS by showing me that pre-trib rapture came out of the Mouth of God.

"But in your hearts sanctify Christ as Lord, always ready for a defense to everyone asking you an account concerning the hope in you"

i have asked you simple questions in Post 130

 

[Behold]

i posted the precise scriptures from the LORD and the Apostles who all AGREE and say that the LORD comes AFTER the Tribulation.

Do you know what the Sky is?
Ever seen a blue Sky?

Now Keep in mind that at the 2nd Advent.. Jesus is coming to STAY down here.
Understand?
That is because the Millennial reign starts... and that is 1000 yrs on the EARTH.


Look at this verse... by Paul

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

(That means they go up, off of the earth"... ) (Rise = UP) out of the Grave..........off the planet.

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to Meet the LORD in the AIR: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."""""

Now did you read that the dead shall RISE.. and the Christians who are ALIVE, shall go up in to the SKY.. into the AIR... to meet the LORD Above the Earth. ?

Understand?

So, the 2nd Advent, is Jesus coming to the EARTH to stay.....not to meet the Saints in the Sky.
= As that is the Rapture.
And if there was not one, then Jesus would meet them on the GROUND, at the 2nd Advent, when He is on the earth.

In Fact if you will read the Revelation, it says the Believers are coming back with the Lord... and that is your 2nd Advent.
So this is that big gap that is Rev 4 to Ch 18 or so, and you then read that the Church= the Believers come BACK with Jesus., because they met Him already in the Rapture, beginning of the Trib, and now they are coming back with Him.....to reign with Him, during the Millennial Reign.

 

[David in NJ]

Do you know what the Sky is?
Every seen a blue Sky?

Now Keep in mind that at the 2nd Advent.. Jesus is coming to STAY down here.

Before JESUS descends back to earth HE comes on the clouds for the Resurrection and Rapture.

Yes or No

 

[Behold]

Before JESUS descends back to earth HE comes on the clouds for the Resurrection and Rapture.

Yes or No

This.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

(That means they go up, off of the earth"... ) (Rise = UP) out of the Grave..........off the planet.

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to Meet the LORD in the AIR: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."""""

Now did you read that the dead shall RISE.. and the Christians who are ALIVE, shall go up in to the SKY.. into the AIR... to meet the LORD Above the Earth. ?

Understand?

So, the 2nd Advent, is Jesus coming to the EARTH to stay.....not to meet the Saints in the Sky.
= As that is the Rapture.
And if there was not one, then Jesus would meet them on the GROUND, at the 2nd Advent, when He is on the earth.

In Fact if you will read the Revelation, it says the Believers are coming back with the Lord... and that is your 2nd Advent.
So this is that big gap that is Rev 4 to Ch 18 or so, and you then read that the Church= the Believers come BACK with Jesus., because they met Him already in the Rapture, beginning of the Trib, and now they are coming back with Him.....to reign with Him, during the Millennial Reign.

 

[David in NJ]

You have been lying about others here on this forum, and you cannot seem to see or acknowledge that. You derail discussion with your lies about others, that we are all calling Jesus a liar. A very odious thing to say of others! Derailing discussion may be the point of it, whether witting or unwitting, I wouldn't know.

James 3:13-15 KJV
13) Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.
14) But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.
15) This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.

Much love!

You have been lying about others here on this forum,

Any evidence of your accusation would be a HUGE HELP

But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.

"DO NOT LIE AGAINST the TRUTH" = can you see this @marks???

This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.

Is pre-trib rapture from Above or is it earthly sensual and devilish???
How can you prove if it is Above or below from men???

 

[David in NJ]

So, the 2nd Advent, is Jesus coming to the EARTH to stay.....not to meet the Saints in the Sky.

REALLY? - Where is this in scripture

Also, i have posted 1 Thess 4:13-18 at least two times for you and @marks

1 Thess 4:16
For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God

1Thess 4:17 - "And the dead in Christ will Rise First"

No rapture before the Resurrection and there does not exist a single scripture that states:
a.) pre-trib
b.) we go UP to heaven for 7 years
c.) JESUS will leave behind saints
d.) JESUS must have a 3rd Coming in order to Resurrect the dead in Christ AGAIN

Adding to God's words what HE never said is lying = Proverbs 30:5-6

Every word of God is pure;
He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him.
Do not add to His words,
Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar.

 

[David in NJ]

Can you tell me what my complaint is against you? Can you tell me? I'd love to know whether you know what I've said. It sound's like you have no idea.

Much love!

You claim that i am in sin by pointing out to you that by you adding to God's words what HE never said - pre-trib rapture- you are calling God a liar.

God said this BEFORE you or i were ever born marks = Proverbs 30:5-6

Every word of God is pure;
He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him.
Do not add to His words,
Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar.

 

[Behold]

REALLY? - Where is this in scripture

I posted the verse 3 or 4 times..


16 """""For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

(That means they go up, off of the earth"... ) (Rise = UP) out of the Grave..........off the planet.

17.""""" Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to Meet the LORD in the AIR: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."""""

Now did you read that the dead shall RISE.. and the Christians who are ALIVE, shall go up in to the SKY.. into the AIR... to meet the LORD Above the Earth. ?

Understand?

So, the 2nd Advent, is Jesus coming to the EARTH to stay.....not to meet the Saints in the Sky.
= As that is the Rapture.
And if there was not one, then Jesus would meet them on the GROUND, at the 2nd Advent, when He is on the earth.

In Fact if you will read the Revelation, it says the Believers are coming back with the Lord... and that is your 2nd Advent.
So this is that big gap that is Rev 4 to Ch 18 or so, and you then read that the Church= the Believers come BACK with Jesus., because they met Him already in the Rapture, beginning of the Trib, and now they are coming back with Him.....to reign with Him, during the Millennial Reign.

1 Thess 4:16
For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God

1Thess 4:17 - "And the dead in Christ will Rise First"

Yes, the Lord is coming down to "

17.""""" Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to Meet the LORD in the AIR: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."""""

No rapture before the Resurrection and there does not exist a single scripture that states:

I showed you that the 2nd Advent is Christ on the Earth, and the Rapture is in the SKY.

17.""""" Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to Meet the LORD in the AIR: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."""""

 

[amigo de christo]

Before JESUS descends back to earth HE comes on the clouds for the Resurrection and Rapture.

Yes or No

Men gonna do as men gonna do
folks gonna believe what folks gonna believe .
Men will believe exactly what they desired
Lambs gonna beleive EVERY WORD OUTTA the MOUTH OF GOD .
People gonna do , people gonna say , people gonna believe that which is pleasing to their hearts own desires .
But the sheep gonna do , gonna say , gonna beleive that WHICH IS PLEASING TO GOD , THE TRUTH .
Decisions , decisions , oh the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision .
CHOOSE YE THIS DAY the GLORIOUS LORD and let us know love and embrace EVERY WORD OF THE LORD
and beware for many decievers do abound and have long led people astray and only WORSE this gets
and worse it will get , TILL all of a sudden , KABOM the door slambs shut an all outside will wail .
IF folks love what men twist then in danger they are ....

 

[amigo de christo]

You claim that i am in sin by pointing out to you that by you adding to God's words what HE never said - pre-trib rapture- you are calling God a liar.

God said this BEFORE you or i were ever born marks = Proverbs 30:5-6

Every word of God is pure;
He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him.
Do not add to His words,
Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar.

for error begets error and it is in the heart of man to love a lie which they find pleasing to their own hearts desire .
But within the heart of the sheep IS THE HOLY GHOST which has shed LOVE for GOD , for CHRIST , for the lovely truth
upon their hearts .
The voice of a twister they will not heed
and in the holy bible they do read and they do feed .
MANY HAVE FED from the hands of men who have twisted scrips and done so unto their own destruction and the destruction
of all who feed from those hands .
JESUS HAS THE SHEEP and UNTO HE shall they heed and in the bible they do read and feed .

 

[David in NJ]

I posted the verse 3 or 4 times..


16 """""For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

(That means they go up, off of the earth"... ) (Rise = UP) out of the Grave..........off the planet.

17.""""" Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to Meet the LORD in the AIR: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."""""

Now did you read that the dead shall RISE.. and the Christians who are ALIVE, shall go up in to the SKY.. into the AIR... to meet the LORD Above the Earth. ?

Understand?

So, the 2nd Advent, is Jesus coming to the EARTH to stay.....not to meet the Saints in the Sky.
= As that is the Rapture.
And if there was not one, then Jesus would meet them on the GROUND, at the 2nd Advent, when He is on the earth.

In Fact if you will read the Revelation, it says the Believers are coming back with the Lord... and that is your 2nd Advent.
So this is that big gap that is Rev 4 to Ch 18 or so, and you then read that the Church= the Believers come BACK with Jesus., because they met Him already in the Rapture, beginning of the Trib, and now they are coming back with Him.....to reign with Him, during the Millennial Reign.



Yes, the Lord is coming down to "

17.""""" Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to Meet the LORD in the AIR: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."""""




I showed you that the 2nd Advent is Christ on the Earth, and the Rapture is in the SKY.

17.""""" Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to Meet the LORD in the AIR: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."""""

No pre-trib rapture in those verses which i SEE and BELIEVE

How about the scriptures whereby you claim:
a.) rapture occurs BEFORE the AoD and before the Resurrection
b.) we go UP to heaven for 7 years
c.) JESUS will leave behind saints
d.) JESUS must have a 3rd Coming in order to Resurrect the dead in Christ AGAIN

 

[amigo de christo]

No pre-trib rapture in those verses which i SEE and BELIEVE

How about the scriptures whereby you claim:
a.) rapture occurs BEFORE the AoD and before the Resurrection
b.) we go UP to heaven for 7 years
c.) JESUS will leave behind saints
d.) JESUS must have a 3rd Coming in order to Resurrect the dead in Christ AGAIN

a huge one is this other gospel that so called gets preached during the seven years . ERROR DEFINTELY has AND DOES
beget ERROR . Till it becomes a rotted stink to the nose of GOD and blasphemes HIM to his face .
Now we got two gospels . it just keeps getting worse . last time i checked
JESUS said AND THIS GOSPEL will be preached AND THEN THE END .
well according to this pre trib i guess another one suddenly pops up . david , THINGS are not LOOKING GOOD my friend .
NOT at all . it just keeps getting worse .
I guess once one lie comes in , you have to keep making up other lies to deny other scrips and man it just keeps getting worse .
But ERROR does bring only ERROR .

 

[David in NJ]

This is where you are slandering me.

You think the Bible means this, and I think the Bible means that. So rather than compare notes, and have a real discussion, you accuse me of calling God a liar.

And you know what? I think I've just had my fill of hearing this from you again. You may not realize how much this sort of talk turns my stomach. This is how it went last time you and I interacted. I got tired of hearing you telling me I'm saying God's a liar, Jesus is a liar, it makes me ill inside. So enough is enough.

You think you can just say whatever slimy stinking thing you want to say about others. Well, in fact you can. But I'm not going keep listening.

Much love! I hope one day you will see.

You still have not brought forth a single scripture that exonerates 'pre-trib' rapture from being a LIE

This is God's love for you marks and mine as well.
Christians putting their own words upon CHRIST and the Apostles is called sin and i hope you will SEE this before you stand before the LORD.

 

[amigo de christo]

This is where you are slandering me.

You think the Bible means this, and I think the Bible means that. So rather than compare notes, and have a real discussion, you accuse me of calling God a liar.

And you know what? I think I've just had my fill of hearing this from you again. You may not realize how much this sort of talk turns my stomach. This is how it went last time you and I interacted. I got tired of hearing you telling me I'm saying God's a liar, Jesus is a liar, it makes me ill inside. So enough is enough.

You think you can just say whatever slimy stinking thing you want to say about others. Well, in fact you can. But I'm not going keep listening.

Much love! I hope one day you will see.

Guess if i called another man , WHO I KNOW ON THIS SITE preaches another gospel , That HE calls GOD a liar
you might say OH TONE IT DOWN friend . that is not how christains treat christains .
WELL ITS HOW wolves in wool get treated . WE aint even supposed to have let one in our house that preaches another gospel
nor even bid them GOD SPEED . but todays motto is , OH HUG ALL , DONT dare say a harsh word .
IF this were my site and i would have told that man HE DO THE WORK of ANTI CHRIST , HE CALLS GOD A LIAR
and THEN BANNED THE MAN for preaching another false gospel . but i guess i am a mean hateful bigoted monster .
WE got no idea what satans seeker friendly and this false rick warren evanglisiing set the church up for .
A BIG FAT FALL RIGHT TO ANTI CHRIST and his interfaith .

 

[amigo de christo]

This is where you are slandering me.

You think the Bible means this, and I think the Bible means that. So rather than compare notes, and have a real discussion, you accuse me of calling God a liar.

And you know what? I think I've just had my fill of hearing this from you again. You may not realize how much this sort of talk turns my stomach. This is how it went last time you and I interacted. I got tired of hearing you telling me I'm saying God's a liar, Jesus is a liar, it makes me ill inside. So enough is enough.

You think you can just say whatever slimy stinking thing you want to say about others. Well, in fact you can. But I'm not going keep listening.

Much love! I hope one day you will see.

The good news is i have seen you REBUKE that man as well .
But in truth HE should have been OFF this site the moment he came in preaching his mess
and when he was corrected , KEEP NOT HEEDING . He should have been removed . But now i see
he has only more and more followers . And others now preach and believe a simliar mindset .
ITS GROWING mark . leaven DOES THAT when it aint corrected and or REMOVED .