HERESY?

[Enoch111]

Can you show me the scripture that teaches this or are you teaching the traditions of men?

You are totally insincere about asking for Scripture. What did you do with John 1:1? Did you believe it and did you repent?

 

[Moriah's Song]

Strawman. Jesus died. This is how we know he is not God for it means that Jesus is changing, not eternal.

That is not a strawman argument; it is a "put-down" and a diversion tactic in order to ignore the truth of that thought. Denying that Jesus is not eternal is a whole different ballgame and has extremely serious end times consequences to it.

 

[Moriah's Song]

It is a fact that all English translations from the Greek before the King James version of 1611 actually read this way: (notice Him and He are now “It”).

I'll stick with the Septuagint, Strong's Concordance, Bauer's Lexicon and Thayer's Greek Lexicon

STRONGS NT 3588: ὁ
ὁ, ἡ, τό, originally τος, τῇ, τό (as is evident from the forms τοι, ται for οἱ, αἱ in Homer and the Ionic writings), corresponds to our definite article the (German der, die, das), which is properly a demonstrative pronoun, which we see in its full force in Homer, and of which we find certain indubitable traces also in all kinds of Greek prose, and hence also in the N. T.

1. to substantives that have no modifier; and

a. those that designate a person or a thing that is the only one of its kind; the article thus distinguishes the same from all other persons or things, as..
1:1 ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος

2532 - kai - καὶ - and - Conj
2316 - Theos - Θεὸς - God - N-NMS
1510 - ēn - ἦν - was - V-IIA-3S
3588 - ho - ὁ - the - Art-NMS
3056 - Logos - Λόγος - Word - N-NMS
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[Wrangler]

That is not a strawman argument; it is a "put-down" and a diversion tactic in order to ignore the truth of that thought. Denying that Jesus is not eternal is a whole different ballgame and has extremely serious end times consequences to it.

Your opinion not a quote from Scripture.

 

[Grailhunter]

Unbelievers love to point out that the word "trinity" is not in the Bible even though the concept certainly is found in many verses; one of which is in Matthew...

Mat 3:16-17..."And when Jesus was baptized, he went up immediately from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and alighting on him; and lo, a voice [God's] from heaven, saying, "This is [my-God's] beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased."
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It is because of verses like this that the doctrine of the "trinity" began to be developed by the writers of the NT during the 1st century is clear, otherwise the above would not be in the Bible at all.

The concept of the one God is proven false by the storyline and that is so simple to see two Gods interacting in the Gospels and two Gods referring to each other....and then there is the Holy Spirit. I have pointed out a couple hundred ways why it is false.

Beliefs....Truths.....Facts.
Many beliefs are not truths.....Some Truths are not facts.

Grailhunter’s Corner

 

[Moriah's Song]

Your opinion not a quote from Scripture.

Oh, so the one who consistently avoids scripture finds fault with my response to your "opinions"?? I post a LOT of scripture and not much opinion in comparison to you....as I did with this one you avoided along with many other scripture supported post.

Claiming that "Jesus is a changing Savior, King, Priest and Prophet" is just as much of a heresy as those two above --- much to their demise at the end.

Heb 7:22...This makes Jesus the surety of a better covenant....24but he holds his priesthood permanently, because he continues for ever.

I did not write these two verses that you completely ignored which will also to be determined who is correct in their beliefs and where one will be taken to on the last day...

Mat 1:23..."Behold, a virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and his name shall be called Emmanuel" (which means, God with us).
Luk 1:31...And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus.

Emmanuel = God with us = his name is Jesus.

It is there in black and white; written by two writers who were divinely ispired by the Holy Spirit.

1Th 1:6...And you became imitators of us and of the Lord, for you received the word in much affliction, with joy inspired by the Holy Spirit;

2Ti 3:16...All scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,
Eph 3:21...to him be glory in the church and in Christ Jesus to all generations, for ever and ever. Amen.

 

[Grailhunter]

You don't seem to produce anything of any value worth discussing. Therefore, you are wasting my time.

Oh, the word rapture is not in the Bible either but I can guarantee you there are words that do indicate a "rapture" at the end of the world.

The End.

The ecstasy part or the flying through the air part?
It is always the same....they come up with a word that it not in the Bible and it does not have an accurate meaning. LOL
The flying through the air part is in the Bible.

 

[Brakelite]

Jesus died. This is how we know he is not God for it means that Jesus is changing, not eternal.

Absolutely true. Jesus died. And also absolutely true, God cannot die. But man can die. Which is precisely why the Son of God became man. Unfortunately, most Christians don't believe Jesus actually died. They think his Spirit/soul whatever continued to live elsewhere. They accept the testimony of the devil from the garden of Eden..."ye shall not surely die". But divinity in the form of man did fully pay the price for our sin. Death.

 

[marksman]

Prove I'm wrong with scripture, not just your opinion which means zilch. That is just meanness.

Simple. No one knows the time or day of the second coming.

 

[Enoch111]

Unfortunately, most Christians don't believe Jesus actually died.

Quite the opposite. Most Christians do believe that Jesus died and rose again after three days and three nights. But you have a faulty understanding of physical death, and that is the reason for your remark. While the body of Christ lay in the tomb, His soul and spirit were in Sheol/Hades. Which totally demolishes any "Soul Sleep" doctrine. Indeed, while He was there Christ preached to the spirits in prison. And those spirits were very much alive in Sheol/Hades.

 

[Moriah's Song]

Jesus died.

Can you please give me the full sense of what you mean when you say "Jesus died?"

1. do you believe that Jesus is still dead?
2. If so where does it say they buried Jesus?

 

[charity]

Quite the opposite. Most Christians do believe that Jesus died and rose again after three days and three nights. But you have a faulty understanding of physical death, and that is the reason for your remark. While the body of Christ lay in the tomb, His soul and spirit were in Sheol/Hades. Which totally demolishes any "Soul Sleep" doctrine. Indeed, while He was there Christ preached to the spirits in prison. And those spirits were very much alive in Sheol/Hades.

the
Hello @Enoch111,

You say that (quote) 'while the body of Christ lay in the tomb, His soul and spirit were in Sheol/Hades.'

* The body energised by the spirit (or breath of life) is a living soul. The Lord Jesus Christ, while on the cross, commended His spirit unto God, before giving up the Ghost (Luke 23:46). His body lay in the grave (sheol/Hades - or 'the place of the dead') until it was quickened by the Spirit, by which (Spirit) He went and preached unto the spirits (angels) in prison, who were disobedient, in the days of Noah (1 Peter 3:18-20, Jude 1:6).

* These were angel's, spirit beings, and not mankind.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Brakelite]

While the body of Christ lay in the tomb, His soul and spirit were in Sheol/Hades.

Yep, like I said. "Yes shall not surely die". In other words you believe you were saved by a human sacrifice.

 

[Brakelite]

1. do you believe that Jesus is still dead?

No.

 

[charity]

'But we see Jesus,
Who was made a little lower than the angels
for the suffering of death,
crowned with glory and honour;
that He by the grace of God
should taste death for every man.'
(Heb 2:9)

 

[Taken]

The concept of the one God is proven false by the storyline and that is so simple to see two Gods interacting in the Gospels and two Gods referring to each other ....and then there is the Holy Spirit. I have pointed out a couple hundred ways why it is false.

Yikes!

Jas 2:
[19] Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

 

[Taken]

the
Hello @Enoch111,

You say that (quote) 'while the body of Christ lay in the tomb, His soul and spirit were in Sheol/Hades.'

* The body energised by the spirit (or breath of life) is a living soul. The Lord Jesus Christ, while on the cross, commended His spirit unto God, before giving up the Ghost (Luke 23:46). His body lay in the grave (sheol/Hades - or 'the place of the dead') until it was quickened by the Spirit, by which (Spirit) He went and preached unto the spirits (angels) in prison, who were disobedient, in the days of Noah (1 Peter 3:18-20, Jude 1:6).

* These were angel's, spirit beings, and not mankind.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

@Enoch111 @charity

In Jesus’ day....Jesus....Mans example of expectation for earthly man.
Body, (flesh)......................body died, buried
soul, (spirit /Gods breath)... soul went to hell, preached
spirit, (Gods power).............spirit went to heaven to Gods hand

 

[Wrangler]

Oh, so the one who consistently avoids scripture finds fault with my response to your "opinions"??

It's so funny how don't realize your own hypocrisy; don't hold yourself to standards you hold others to.

 

[Wrangler]

Emmanuel = God with us = his name is Jesus.

This is not in Scripture.

Where do trinitarians even get the idea the Isaiah verse applies to the Messiah? HINT: It does not.

Also, "God with us" hardly means literally but rather God will light our path, protect us and ensure victory.

 

[charity]

'Of these things put them in remembrance,
charging them before the Lord
that they strive not about words to no profit,
but to the subverting of the hearers.
Study to shew thyself approved unto God,
a workman that needeth not to be ashamed,
rightly dividing the word of truth.
But shun profane and vain babblings:
for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
And their word will eat as doth a canker:
of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
Who concerning the truth have erred,
saying that the resurrection is past already;
and overthrow the faith of some.
Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal,
The Lord knoweth them that are His.
And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver,
but also of wood and of earth;
and some to honour, and some to dishonour.
If a man therefore purge himself from these,
he shall be a vessel unto honour,
sanctified, and meet for the master's use,
and prepared unto every good work.'
(2 Timothy 2:14-21)