WOMEN ARE TO KEEP SILENT IN THE CHURCH

[Fred J]

[1Co 14:29-31 KJV] 29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge. 30 If [any thing] be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace. 31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.

1 Corinthians 11:
2. Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in things, and keep the 'ordinance', as I delivered them to you.
3. But I would have you know, that the Head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the HEAD of Christ is GOD.
4. Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head(Christ).
5. But every 'woman' that 'prayeth' or 'prophesieth' with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head(man): for that is even all one as if she were shaven.
6. For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn of shaven, let her be covered.
7. For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of GOD: but the woman is the glory of the man.
14. Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, t is a shame unto him?
15. But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a 'covering'.
16. But if any man seem to be 'contentious', we have no such custom, neither the churches of GOD.


Therefore, there are 'gifted' woman who 'pray' and 'prophesy' in the congregation, judged and approved by the men 'elder' themselves.

But they ought to have a 'covering', when they 'pray' and 'prophesy' in any of their meeting places or congregation.

And every women in these meeting and congregation who participate the 'prayer' in agreeance, ought to likewise have a 'covering'.

Since a woman due to her circumstances need to cut short, shorn or shave her hair, are able to wear a 'shawl' as 'covering' over her head.

During at the same time participating, it is shameful for a man to 'cover' his head or have long hair in dishonor.

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ.

 

[Doug]

The gift of tongues given to believers inside the congregation is for the 'praising' and 'glorifying' of GOD who art in Heaven.

They are 'angelic tongues' as how angels conduct in Heaven, which apparently needed 'interpretation' to the common language spoken by every believer in the congregation.

So that during services everyone 'perceive' what is being 'spoken', therefore at the end everyone in 'agreement' may end by, 'Amen'

They are not tongues of foreign men which the Apostles received on the day of Pentecost, that need not 'interpretation'.

This is because the crowd that were in the open whom heard them, 'perceived' in their own 'mother tongue' the Gospel is proclaimed for salvation.

Apostle Paul have made it clear, what if he's able to 'speak in the tongues of men and of angels', and have not love. (1Corinthians13:1)

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ.

[1Co 14:21-24 KJV] 21 In the law it is written, With [men of] other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. 22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying [serveth] not for them that believe not, but for them which believe. 23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in [those that are] unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad? 24 But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or [one] unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all:

 

[Lambano]

4. Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head

Damn, so much for wearing a Yarmulke.

 

[Fred J]

[1Co 14:21-24 KJV] 21 In the law it is written, With [men of] other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.

Acts 2:
4. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
5. And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
6. Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
7. And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galileans?
8. And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?

17. And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith GOD, I will pour out of MY Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and daughters shall prophesy, and you young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams.


Well, they all heard the Gospel of the Lord in their own tongue, wherein they were born.


1 Corinthians 14:
2. For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto GOD: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.


This is the gift of unknown tongue given to believers in the congregation or their meeting place in service.

They speaketh not unto men, but unto GOD, for no man understandeth him that speaketh.

1 Corinthians 14:
5. I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

14. For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.

16. Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?

22. Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: ..................................


That is why in the congregation 'interpretation' to the common tongue of men is required for all unlearned 'believers'.

Therefore the one who speak in an unknown tongue alone is not edified, but the whole church, and that is 'love'.

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ

 

[Fred J]

Damn, so much for wearing a Yarmulke.

What i perceive of the past tradition, people of GOD wear things to 'cover' one's shame or unworthiness or to distinguish oneself, in 'lacking' and 'void'.

For example, Moses wore a 'veil' to 'cover' that he was unable to fulfill for GOD and bring HIS people to the promise land.

For men who are born of water and of the Holy Ghost are the new 'spirit being', children of the GOD Most High.

They have nothing to 'cover' or 'hide' or 'distinguish themselves', when they are 'one' with FATHER, Son and the Holy Ghost.

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ.

 

[Lambano]

What i perceive of the past tradition, people of GOD wear things to 'cover' one's shame or unworthiness or to distinguish oneself, in 'lacking' and 'void'.

Rather than speculate, let's just ask a Jew. According to Chabad and other Jewish websites, Jewish men wear the Covering as a sign of respect for G_d, and as a reminder that G_d is above them, always there, always watching.

For men who are born of water and of the Holy Ghost are the new 'spirit being', children of the GOD Most High.

They have nothing to 'cover' or 'hide' or 'distinguish themselves', when they are 'one' with FATHER, Son and the Holy Ghost.

If so, then by the same logic, I see no reason why a woman who is also born of water and the Spirit should have anything to hide either. There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. - Galatians 3:28.

I once had this argument with Ms. Fluffy Yellow Duck, her arguing for the covering, me arguing against it. I didn't win (I never do), but when she posted a photo of the beautiful covering she'd made for herself, I thought it was worth losing the argument.

 

[Doug]

1 Corinthians 14:
2. For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto GOD: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.


This is the gift of unknown tongue given to believers in the congregation or their meeting place in service.

They speaketh not unto men, but unto GOD, for no man understandeth him that speaketh.

I think this is saying a foreign language is being spoken but there is no interpreter so its not understood

 

[1stCenturyLady]

If what you determined was true, then 1 Cor. 14:2 is not true scripture.

Sorry I dont get what you are saying......care to clarify?

I don't recall answering this question. 1 Corinthians 14:2 of course is true scripture, but many do not know it is the guideline to interpreting Acts 2. What is the difference between the tongues in Mark 16:16-18 which does not include or mention interpretation and 1 Corinthians 12:10 which writes of them together. The answer is the direction. Mark is speaking of prayer and praise TO God. 1 Corinthians 12 are gifts "for the profit of all." Thus the direction the Spirit is speaking there is FROM God. However, though it is not necessary to interpret our perfect prayers that God already understands without interpretation, on occasion interpretation is given and not withheld. The key word in Acts 2 is "devout." God allowed His devout Jews who belonged to Him to be drawn to Christianity through this gift of interpretation, so that even though 120 were speaking in tongues each one of a different second language besides Hebrew understood the whole 120 in their own language.

In fact, I saw this happen when I lived in Arizona to a teenager that had been brought to the youth service by some Christian youth. They prayed for her in tongues in a circle and she understood them all as speaking English which the tongues were not. She became born again that night.

 

[Doug]

I don't recall answering this question. 1 Corinthians 14:2 of course is true scripture, but many do not know it is the guideline to interpreting Acts 2. What is the difference between the tongues in Mark 16:16-18 which does not include or mention interpretation and 1 Corinthians 12:10 which writes of them together. The answer is the direction. Mark is speaking of prayer and praise TO God. 1 Corinthians 12 are gifts "for the profit of all." Thus the direction the Spirit is speaking there is FROM God. However, though it is not necessary to interpret our perfect prayers that God already understands without interpretation, on occasion interpretation is given and not withheld. The key word in Acts 2 is "devout." God allowed His devout Jews who belonged to Him to be drawn to Christianity through this gift of interpretation, so that even though 120 were speaking in tongues each one of a different second language besides Hebrew understood the whole 120 in their own language.

In fact, I saw this happen when I lived in Arizona to a teenager that had been brought to the youth service by some Christian youth. They prayed for her in tongues in a circle and she understood them all as speaking English which the tongues were not. She became born again that night.

thanks

 

[amigo de christo]

I don't recall answering this question. 1 Corinthians 14:2 of course is true scripture, but many do not know it is the guideline to interpreting Acts 2. What is the difference between the tongues in Mark 16:16-18 which does not include or mention interpretation and 1 Corinthians 12:10 which writes of them together. The answer is the direction. Mark is speaking of prayer and praise TO God. 1 Corinthians 12 are gifts "for the profit of all." Thus the direction the Spirit is speaking there is FROM God. However, though it is not necessary to interpret our perfect prayers that God already understands without interpretation, on occasion interpretation is given and not withheld. The key word in Acts 2 is "devout." God allowed His devout Jews who belonged to Him to be drawn to Christianity through this gift of interpretation, so that even though 120 were speaking in tongues each one of a different second language besides Hebrew understood the whole 120 in their own language.

In fact, I saw this happen when I lived in Arizona to a teenager that had been brought to the youth service by some Christian youth. They prayed for her in tongues in a circle and she understood them all as speaking English which the tongues were not. She became born again that night.

first century lady .
I ask now a real simple question .
Do you see a huge difference between many women in todays churches who rule over this people verses
the true women of CHRIST in that first century . cause i sure seem to notice
not just in the women but in the men that a whole lotta doctrines often get twisted , omitted
and done so unto their own destruction . We gots paula whites and kenneth copelands
popes and many who now offer unto the world
another jesus , another gospel . AND IT SURE is REBELLION to GOD ALL MIGHTY and HIS CHRIST .

 

[Grailhunter]

first century lady .
I ask now a real simple question .
Do you see a huge difference between many women in todays churches who rule over this people verses
the true women of CHRIST in that first century . cause i sure seem to notice
not just in the women but in the men that a whole lotta doctrines often get twisted , omitted
and done so unto their own destruction . We gots paula whites and kenneth copelands
popes and many who now offer unto the world
another jesus , another gospel . AND IT SURE is REBELLION to GOD ALL MIGHTY and HIS CHRIST .

I got a feeling you are a good person….
But in your approach you only come acrossed as critical.
You are not understood because of this. You take exception to so many things but no one knows what you are expecting.

Now I am a natural born speaker and writer….what is in my head I can express easily, it is not that easy for everyone. So I do not condemn you for that.

When you say…..they offer unto the world another jesus , another gospel…..think about how to express how that should be. You can't just say it is wrong, ya got to say what is right. I want to understand you…..so help me to help you.

 

[amigo de christo]

I got a feeling you are a good person….
But in your approach you only come acrossed as critical.
You are not understood because of this. You take exception to so many things but no one knows what you are expecting.

Now I am a natural born speaker and writer….what is in my head I can express easily, it is not that easy for everyone. So I do not condemn you for that.

When you say…..they offer unto the world another jesus , another gospel…..think about how to express how that should be. You can't just say it is wrong, ya got to say what is right. I want to understand you…..so help me to help you.

the all inclusive interfaith is no gospel . its the socially engineered social one , which is total bad news .
When i say another jesus
well lets just say JESUS dont hold rainbows and honor anyones sins .
In other words a lotta people follow
a jesus that sure contradicts his own words . you got prosperity gospel jesus , social jesus
and so on and so forth .
That is what i mean .

 

[Grailhunter]

the all inclusive interfaith

Explain what you are calling interfaith.
And how we should interact with "interfaith"

well lets just say JESUS dont hold rainbows and honor anyones sins .
In other words a lotta people follow

Jesus own words......
In the Gospels Yeshua was dealing with Jews....taking the Gospel to them first.
How do you deal with those that have not come to Christ yet?....
How did Paul deal with the Pagans?
How do you deal with those that think they have come to Christ but still live in sin?

 

[Grailhunter]

the all inclusive interfaith is no gospel . its the socially engineered social one , which is total bad news .
When i say another jesus
well lets just say JESUS dont hold rainbows and honor anyones sins .
In other words a lotta people follow
a jesus that sure contradicts his own words . you got prosperity gospel jesus , social jesus
and so on and so forth .
That is what i mean .

Still waiting

 

[soberxp]

but [they are commanded] to be under obedience，Who is not ordered to obey?

 

[Fred J]

Rather than speculate, let's just ask a Jew. According to Chabad and other Jewish websites, Jewish men wear the Covering as a sign of respect for G_d, and as a reminder that G_d is above them, always there, always watching.

Speculate? Some of us born again testify according to New Testament scripture and wisdom given us.

Did the religious Jews even though 'beloved', found 'righteous' during the visit of the Messiah Jesus according to the Gospel?

Since they moved on as the enemy of the Gospel, yet 'beloved' until today, are you 'justifying' their 'elder' added 'Chabad' writing as to their 'covering' is found 'righteous' to Messiah Jesus in Heaven?

Well, 1 Corinthians chapter 11, 'justifies' they are 'yet not found righteous' in the 'sight' of GOD, even Roman chapter 11.

If so, then by the same logic, I see no reason why a woman who is also born of water and the Spirit should have anything to hide either. There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. - Galatians 3:28.

Your 'logic' is not welcomed in the Kingdom of GOD through Christ HIS Son.

1 Corinthians 11:
16. But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of GOD.

I once had this argument with Ms. Fluffy Yellow Duck, her arguing for the covering, me arguing against it. I didn't win (I never do), but when she posted a photo of the beautiful covering she'd made for herself, I thought it was worth losing the argument.

Isn't it 'folly' on your part, even to 'argue' against what is already 'legislated' in the Kingdom of GOD through Messiah Jesus?

Shalom in the name of Mashiach Yeshua

 

[Fred J]

I think this is saying a foreign language is being spoken but there is no interpreter so its not understood

The scripture is 'clear', and your 'thinking' is your 'fall short' and 'downfall'.

Read carefully, an 'unknown tongue' spoken not to 'men', for 'no man understand', 'but unto GOD', who alone 'understand'.

This 'tongue' is not to proclaim the Gospel in the open to 'men', but in the 'congregation' for the purpose of 'praying' and 'giving thanks' in the 'tongue' only GOD 'understand'.

What is this 'unknown tongue' which no man on earth understand, but only GOD who art in Heaven?

Apparently, they are the 'tongue of angels' in Heaven who 'worship GOD day and night'.

Matthew 22:
30. For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of GOD in Heaven.

Revelation 4:
8. And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him, and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, Holy, Holy, LORD GOD Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.

Shalom in the name of Lord Jesus Christ

 

[amigo de christo]

Explain what you are calling interfaith.
And how we should interact with "interfaith"


Jesus own words......
In the Gospels Yeshua was dealing with Jews....taking the Gospel to them first.
How do you deal with those that have not come to Christ yet?....
How did Paul deal with the Pagans?
How do you deal with those that think they have come to Christ but still live in sin?

We should expose the deadly dangers of intefaith .
They been lying to us all .
Look at the whole event and the leaders who brought this into the churches .
This is not about evangelizing , THOUGH they try to claim it was .
Its about the merger . These well known leaders had all the chances
in all of their interreligious dialgoues
to preach The dire need of CHRIST to them false religoins .
THEY preached only a lie . Saying we all serve the same GOD in different ways .
THEY sung the song of anti christ to the lost
and under a guise sell this junk unto the denomniations . It has nothing to do with loving them to GOD
though again they try and sell this idea .
Its about finding common ground and convincing many within christendom
of a lie . You either have not been paying attention to those who lead in this
Or worse you have already bought into the idea . I am thinking its the first . Many
just hear how they try and soft sell it into the churches . What they dont do however , is watch the leaders
at these interriligious dialgouges . THEY are not even preaching CHRIST to the lost religoins ,
Rather they are implying to them that no ones truth , religoin is better than the others
and that we all serve the same GOD differently . ITS ALL A LIE and that of anti christ . THIS is how
they merge them as one and make them believe We all serving the same God . They have
created a version of GOD that is a LIE . though they say GOD is love
what they preach as love , the idea is a LIE . oh it will talk about doing good works
BUT IT IMPLIES that its okay if none beleives on CHRIST , rather we all serving the same god if we just love one another and do good .
ITS ALL A LIE . but they always soft sell it to the churches to make it seem as though its just about loving them to GOD .
BUT IT AINT . cause no love of GOD would lie to the lost and say you are serving the same GOd we do
and etc .

 

[amigo de christo]

but [they are commanded] to be under obedience，Who is not ordered to obey?

And who is the one they are commanded to obey . GOD .
Now how can one be obeying GOD if they BELEIVE NOT on the SON .
This is my well beloved SON in whom i am well pleased , HEAR YE HIM .
GOD testifies of the SON , the SPIRIT testifies of the SON .
Yet in this new love interfaith age of diverse and inclusive , many sure seem to beleive
ITS JUST not necessary to have TO BELIEVE ON HIM . A lie of course .
But then satan has always been a liar and always desired only the death of humanity .
So let us marvel not that He and his minstirs
can say GOD is love and yet use this phrase to ential A LIE .
Remember satan dont love us , desires only our death .
TIS GOD who loved us
SO HE did send the SON so that all who do BELEIVE would not perish but have everlasting life .
So you can bet satan is gonna twist the BELIEVE into , oh it dont matter if one did or didnt . HE is a liar
and HE is the father of lies .
He lied at the tree
HE LIES STILL TODAY .

 

[Grailhunter]

We should expose the deadly dangers of intefaith .
They been lying to us all .
Look at the whole event and the leaders who brought this into the churches .
This is not about evangelizing , THOUGH they try to claim it was .
Its about the merger . These well known leaders had all the chances
in all of their interreligious dialgoues
to preach The dire need of CHRIST to them false religoins .
THEY preached only a lie . Saying we all serve the same GOD in different ways .
THEY sung the song of anti christ to the lost
and under a guise sell this junk unto the denomniations . It has nothing to do with loving them to GOD
though again they try and sell this idea .
Its about finding common ground and convincing many within christendom
of a lie . You either have not been paying attention to those who lead in this
Or worse you have already bought into the idea . I am thinking its the first . Many
just hear how they try and soft sell it into the churches . What they dont do however , is watch the leaders
at these interriligious dialgouges . THEY are not even preaching CHRIST to the lost religoins ,
Rather they are implying to them that no ones truth , religoin is better than the others
and that we all serve the same GOD differently . ITS ALL A LIE and that of anti christ . THIS is how
they merge them as one and make them believe We all serving the same God . They have
created a version of GOD that is a LIE . though they say GOD is love
what they preach as love , the idea is a LIE . oh it will talk about doing good works
BUT IT IMPLIES that its okay if none beleives on CHRIST , rather we all serving the same god if we just love one another and do good .
ITS ALL A LIE . but they always soft sell it to the churches to make it seem as though its just about loving them to GOD .
BUT IT AINT . cause no love of GOD would lie to the lost and say you are serving the same GOd we do
and etc .

intefaith
They been lying to us all
the merger
interreligious dialogues
them false religoins
sell this junk
nothing to do with loving them to GOD
Its about finding common ground and convincing many within christendom
of a lie .
Many just hear how they try and soft sell it into the churches
THEY are not even preaching CHRIST to the lost religoins ,
What they dont do however , is watch the leaders
at these interriligious dialgouges . THEY are not even preaching CHRIST to the lost religoins ,
Rather they are implying to them that no ones truth , religoin is better than the others
and that we all serve the same GOD differently .

A lot of words but nothing specific.
Stop saying it is wrong and tell us what is right.