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Why I Am a Cessationist
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I believe this is civic from BAM brother-a wolf in sheep's clothing, strong words, but it's the truth and I have given the link.
Spiritual Gifts
graceambassadors.com
Should you wish to read it from Grace Ambassadors.
God bless marks
Johann.
[That sly fox is very busy, I noticed]
Ritajanice
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You need to know His Living word in your spirit...Born Of The Spirit...only Gods Living Witness can give heart/ spirit revelation...when he makes our spirit Born Again.
The written word is not God..God is a Living powerful Spirit..his power is beyond our comprehension.
That’s your opinion.
Jesus doesn’t say that...those are your words.
We are Born Again by Gods Living Witness His Living Holy Spirit...our spirit is Born Again.
The Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are Gods children / Born Again.
That’s exactly how I was Born Again, plus how he explained to Nicodemus how we are Born Again.
It is a Living Spirit Birth..I am a spirit child of God.
The natural man/ woman would have no understanding of this.
You are reading the Bible imo in your own human understanding..
I am taught to understand God’s word by my helper and teacher, the Living Holy Spirit..in spirit and truth..as I know God in my spirit...hence you must be Born Again to see the Kingdom Of God.
Born Again in our spirit..not by Biblical reading.
Go back to the hole you came out from-or keep wasting time playing golf you sly fox.
Context (Matthew 23:27-28, ESV):
Verse 27-28:
"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs, which outwardly appear beautiful, but within are full of dead people's bones and all uncleanness. So you also outwardly appear righteous to others, but within you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness."
Exegesis:
Whitewashed Tombs: In Jewish culture, whitewashing tombs was a practice to make them visually clean and avoid ceremonial defilement. Jesus uses this imagery to illustrate how the Pharisees and scribes outwardly appeared righteous and holy but were spiritually corrupt.
Dead People's Bones and Uncleanness: The metaphorical use of "dead people's bones" symbolizes spiritual death and impurity. Despite their external display of piety and adherence to religious rituals, internally they were filled with moral decay, hypocrisy, and moral impurity.
Hypocrisy and Lawlessness: Jesus exposes the disconnect between their outward religious observance and their inward spiritual condition. Their actions did not align with the true heart of God's law, which emphasizes love, justice, and mercy.
Application:
Internal vs. External: This passage challenges believers to examine their own hearts and motivations. It warns against superficial religiosity or outward appearances that mask inner spiritual decay.
Authenticity and Integrity: Christians are called to live with authenticity and integrity, aligning their outward actions with genuine faith and a transformed heart.
Honest Self-Reflection: It encourages believers to engage in honest self-reflection and repentance, seeking genuine spiritual renewal and transformation through Christ.
Conclusion:
The phrase "dead inside, full of dead man's bones" from Matthew 23:27 serves as a powerful reminder of the importance of genuine faith and integrity in Christian life. It calls us to examine our hearts, ensuring that our outward actions are a reflection of our inner transformation through Christ, rather than mere appearances that mask spiritual emptiness or hypocrisy.
You have haunted and persecuted me relentlessly on BAM, and now you are playing the devil's advocate here.
May God have Chen upon you!
Ritajanice
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Listen my lovely.
I am Born Again a spirit child of God..I don’t need to keep reading a Bible to know God in my spirit, I am Born Of The Spirit..
I was chosen and predestined to become a child of God, to be used by him according to his purpose and plan...you read the history of the Bible, that scripture is not meant for me, i am led by Gods Living witness His Living Holy Spirit ..to bring whatever truth he decides to bring to my understanding in the spirit.
You don’t seem to understand scripture of spiritual matters...I understand in the spirit and completely disagree with what I believe to be “ religious talk” from you.
I am Alive in Christ and my Faith is Alive And Active..I ask again do you know God in your spirit or do you only know the God of the Bible?
Gods Living witness His Living Holy Spirit..he is the witness and he has the power to bring non - believers to become Born Again by “ HIS” Spirit........ not Born Again by “ your”spirit.
I pray that you receive heart / spirit revelation in that area, in Jesus Name...Amen!
Ritajanice
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Do you know God in your spirit?
Or do you know God Of The Bible...by reading His written word?
Are you a spirit child of God?
I grow and mature in the SPIRIT!
I don’t grow from reading the history of the Bible..
I am led by Gods Witness His Living Holy Spirit..to understand spirit talk not religious dogma.
1 Corinthians 2
King James Version
2 And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
3 And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling.
4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:
5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.
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Something that Justin says here is very on point I think.I believe this is civic from BAM brother-a wolf in sheep's clothing, strong words, but it's the truth and I have given the link.
Spiritual Gifts
Should you wish to read it from Grace Ambassadors.
God bless marks
Johann.
[That sly fox is very busy, I noticed]
"A failure to rightly divide is the reason many still pursue the power of spiritual gifts disregarding the more excellent things God is doing today."
Why Spiritual Gifts Stopped
graceambassadors.com
I think the mistake is to pursue the power of spiritual gifts, disregarding the heart of the matter, that being, again, that we would have our trust completely in God, and our focus on serving others out of love for them. Let God determine how that happens.
My thinking is, just put your hand to the plow and don't turn back. God will make it happen the way He intends. For me its a foolish thing to divide over whether we call our service this name or that name.
Much love!
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1 Corinthians 12:4-7 (ESV):Something that Justin says here is very on point I think.
"A failure to rightly divide is the reason many still pursue the power of spiritual gifts disregarding the more excellent things God is doing today."
Why Spiritual Gifts Stopped
I think the mistake is to pursue the power of spiritual gifts, disregarding the heart of the matter, that being, again, that we would have are trust completely in God, and our focus on serving others out of love for them. Let God determine how that happens.
My thinking is, just put your hand to the plow and don't turn back. God will make it happen the way He intends. For me its a foolish thing to divide over whether we call our service this name or that name.
Much love!
"Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit; and there are varieties of service, but the same Lord; and there are varieties of activities, but it is the same God who empowers them all in everyone. To each is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good."
Explanation: This passage emphasizes that spiritual gifts are given by the Holy Spirit according to God's will for the purpose of benefiting the entire church community. It highlights that our trust should be in God who determines how these gifts are distributed and used.
1 Corinthians 13:1-3 (ESV):
"If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. If I give away all I have, and if I deliver up my body to be burned, but have not love, I gain nothing."
Explanation: This passage underscores that love is paramount in the exercise of spiritual gifts. It teaches that gifts used without love are meaningless. Therefore, our pursuit should not be for the sake of power or recognition but motivated by love for others.
Philippians 2:3-4 (ESV):
"Do nothing from selfish ambition or conceit, but in humility count others more significant than yourselves. Let each of you look not only to his own interests, but also to the interests of others."
Explanation: This verse encourages believers to approach the use of spiritual gifts with humility and a focus on serving others. It discourages selfish ambition and emphasizes the importance of considering others' needs and interests.
Application:
Trust in God's Sovereignty: Believers should trust in God's wisdom and sovereignty in the distribution and use of spiritual gifts. This involves surrendering personal desires and ambitions to God's will and timing.
Focus on Love: The primary motivation for using spiritual gifts should be love for others. Gifts are meant to build up the church and demonstrate God's love in practical ways.
Humility and Service: Practicing humility and serving others selflessly aligns with biblical teachings on spiritual gifts. It reflects Christ's example of sacrificial love and prioritizing the needs of others.
By aligning our pursuit of spiritual gifts with these biblical principles, we honor God, build up the church, and demonstrate His love effectively to the world.
I guess this makes a lot of sense-without love nothing matters.
J.
ChristisGod
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Jesus says to love your enemies . You are just like Calvin and Luther your reformed heroes.
Those who are proud refuse correction.
Ritajanice
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Yup!!...that was revealed to my heart / spirit last night.
Thanks for the reminder, Brother.
I am not beyond correction as long as it’s the Holy Spirit who does the correcting....just like he corrected me through you.
ChristisGod
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Is it loving to accuse the charismatic brothers and sisters in Christ that their gifts are from Satan ?
You quoted MacArthur whom you agree with and declared it’s from the devil .
What does it mean, "love your enemies"? What does this say concerning how we are to both think of our enemies, and act towards them?
Much love!
ChristisGod
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No idea what you are talking about with over-reacting and staying in control. Not to mention that this isn't any kind of competition, not to me at least.Do you know the difference between Dokimazo and Peiradzo?
Don't think you do and the "commentary" is none other than The Profit of Spiritual Giftswhich you askew!
History of the Berean Bible Society
Sections: History of the Berean Bible Society The Berean Searchlight Pastor Cornelius R. StamFounder, 1940-1993 Pastor Paul M. SadlerPresident, 1987-2016 Pastor Kevin SadlerPresident, 2016-Current History of the Berean Bible Society The Berean Bible Society was founded over seventy-five years abereanbiblesociety.org
Do take note-I'm the one staying in control, you are over reacting.
J.
“The gifts of the Spirit were given to “profit” them spiritually. But it must not be assumed that when God caused spiritual gifts to cease that He left the Body of Christ without a resource for our continued spiritual profit. In II Timothy 3:16, Paul tells us that “all Scripture…is profitable.” The “profit” afforded to the Corinthians by their spiritual gifts is now provided to believers by the Word of God. This is why the cessation of spiritual gifts coincided with the completion of the perfect Word of God.”
Yikes, the above is faulty all by itself. When Paul wrote that all scripture is profitable, they had all the old testament scriptures, which is what the Bereans would have been looking into at the time as well.
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well speaking of getting things right
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let's talk a little bit about cessation
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and the position we've talked a bit
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already about that it is a negative term
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already it's an unfortunate term to put
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a negative tense but some of the
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questions you know I've written down
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people ask or the statements they make
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about cessation you know as well as
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cessationists we don't believe that God
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heals and as a cessationist Justin you
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know you don't believe in the holy
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spirit or you're putting the Holy Spirit
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in a box that you don't have the spirit
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and another one would be that you're
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preaching a partial gospel I've heard
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people call cessation heresy yeah I've
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heard people say that you're outside
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evangelical borders and orthodoxy if you
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say that you're a cessationist and I've
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heard people call it you know telling
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God what he is and what he is not and
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reading things into the text what are
How do you explain cessationism
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some of the ways that you would explain
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cessationism first of all maybe even
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using different terms but overall to
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explain that we do affirm certain things
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and then also that maybe maybe there's a
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bad stigma around it people might have
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it wrong there is there is custody of
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course as you said that the word itself
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has a negative ring to it so you're kind
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of beginning behind the 8-ball so to
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speak but cessationism is not the belief
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that God is no longer doing miracles
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today if we were going to say that we'd
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have to say God is no longer saving
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people today because the greatest
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miracle is not when someone gets out of
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a wheelchair or someone's healed of
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cancer or whatever the greatest miracle
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is the new birth so it's it's just
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nonsensical to say oh cessationists
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don't believe that God is doing miracles
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today absolutely patently untrue
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Nora cessationism the belief that God is
What cessationists dont believe
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no longer giving spiritual gifts or you
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believe that you don't believe in the
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spiritual gifts well yes I do it's
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another accusation that's another
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accusation you don't believe in the
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gifts well I do believe in the gifts I
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just no longer believe or I don't
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believe that the apostolic gifts are
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still in operation today the gifts of
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tongues interpretation of tongues and
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those are two separate gifts by the way
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a lot of people don't realize that but
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two separate gifts tongues
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interpretation of tongues the gift of
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miracles and the gift of physical
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healing
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that those gifts are still operative in
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the church today but all the other more
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normative gifts the service gifts
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teaching administration exhortation
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giving hospitality I very much affirm
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that all of these gifts are operative in
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the church today
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and one of the points that I would make
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accosting I know you share this
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conviction share this belief if all of
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the spiritual gifts including the
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apostolic gifts are still in operation
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in the church today then where is the
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guy with the gift of healing where's
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that guy now when God gives us spiritual
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gifts he gives those gifts for the
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purpose of edifying the church building
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up the body edifying the church if you
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have the gift of teaching you're to be
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using that gift regularly in the church
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if you have the gift of administration
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you're to be using that gift regularly
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in the church gift of exhortation gift
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of mercy you're to be using these gifts
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regularly where's the person with a gift
Gift of administration
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of healing where's that guy where they
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would argue right potentially
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my uncle or even just not to pick on
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uncle Benny but Bill Johnson or a Bethel
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trips you they're gonna argue you know
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Todd white is gonna say you know Here I
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am
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Justin look at what I'm doing look at
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what's happening so you're wrong I'm
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right brother you should come to one of
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