Why Hitler killed the Jews

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Wrong. I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
Romans 11
2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew.
4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

You err.

Who are God's people which He foreknew?

1 Peter 1:2
Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

They were, and are, His elect, His true believers of faith and obedience, His spiritual Israel.

It wasn't Paul's tribe that qualified him as one of God's people.

It was his membership in the remnant according to the election of grace.

As it was with the 7,000 OT Israelites.

They were not reserved because of their tribe.

They were reserved because they had not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.

God is not a racist.

Cease trying to contort Him into one.
 
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Romans 11
2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew.
4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

You err.

Who are God's people which He foreknew?

1 Peter 1:2
Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

They were, and are, His elect, His true believers of faith and obedience, His spiritual Israel.

It wasn't Paul's tribe that qualified him as one of God's people.

It was his membership in the remnant according to the election of grace.

As it was with the 7,000 OT Israelites.

They were not reserved because of their tribe.

They were reserved because they had not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.

God is not a racist.

Cease trying to contort Him into one.
The 7000 reserved was during that generation and was an example of Him still working in their lives. It had nothing to do with the future generation present at His Second Coming. You are in error and you will see God working in their lives.
I do not claim to have the end time scenario completely understood and I doubt anyone else has.
But the 144k ( chosen from the 12 tribes whose descendants have survived - and are apparently only known by God) in Rev. 7 and 14 are soon to be sealed.
The Two Witnesses will appear in Jerusalem and evangelize millions of Jews. You'll see it happening before the 7th Trumpet (last)? I do not adhere to a pre-trib Rapture scenario with the Two Witnesses showing up after we are gone. No, only wrath comes after that and no one repents.
When Jesus comes, (and we are pretty close to the period of time referred as" the fullness of the Gentiles", He will will open their eyes.
It's okay, God forgives ignorance of His plan.
PS: I just checked my Ammillenialist list of some 18 members - and YOU were on it. So none of what I just said will compute to you and you will of course refute that too. We are definitely not on the same page. No need to continue this futile argument, the coming future events will confirm who is right and wrong about these issues!
 
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PS: I just checked my Ammillenialist list of some 18 members
You keep a list of "Amillenialist members"?

I am a confused "partial preterist" [I think a lot was fulfilled in AD 70-ish and most of the symbolism of Revelation goes past me ... so I am just waiting to see what happens and trusting in God]. I probably belong on your list (just to be safe) since I think Revelation is more SYMBOLIC and SPIRITUAL TRUTH than LITERAL PROPHECY of actual future historic events exactly as described. [Like the 14 cows in Joseph's interpreted dream were not about actual cows].
 

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Thq 7000 reserved was duringbthe8r generation and was an examplebof Hime still working in their lives. It had nothing ti do qith the future generation oresent at His Second Coming. You are in error and you will see God working in their lives.
I do not claim to have the end time scenario completely understood and I doubt anyone else has.
But the 144k ( chosen from the 12 tribes whose descendants have survived - and are apparently only known by God) in Rev. 7 and 14 are soon to be sealed.
The Two Witnesses will appear in Jerusalem and evangelize millions of Jews. You'll see it happening before the 7th Trumpet (last)? I do not adhere to a pre-trib Rapture scenario with the Two Witnesses showing up after we are gone. No, only wrath comes after that and no one repents.
When Jesus comes, (and we are pretty close to the period of time referred as" the fullness of the Gentiles", He will will open their eyes.
It's okay, God forgives ignorance of His plan.
PS: I just checked my Ammillenialist list of some 18 members - and YOU were on it. So none of what I just said will compute to you and you will of course refute that too. We are definitely not on the same page. No need to continue this futile argument, the coming future events will confirm who is right and wrong about these issues!

Am I on a list?!! I wanna be on a list!! ;)

(I know I'm on a list.)

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Who do you want to follow, the greatest scholars of Christianity or the Zionists who follow Babylon? I follow the scholars of church history.

Were the greatest scholars of Christianity crucified for you?

Or were ye baptized in the name of the scholars of church history?

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You keep a list of "Amillenialist members"?
I am getting old and forgetful. I take notes about who's who. It saves me time. For instance, going back and forth about this doctrine and that doctrine for hours and days invested and the then finding out they are a Jehovah Witness or another brand of Non- Trinitarian, I realize, I've wasted my time.
I have been a Christian for 32 years and most of that time been drawn to Eschatology, so I've studied and have come to a comfortable understanding of it. Yes, there is some symbolism, but symbolism is usually explained on a scripture. Obviously the letters written to the Seven Churches were purposed for that time period.
However, the key fact that dissolves Preterism is when Revelation was written. Most scholars put a date at around 95AD. There are several reasons why it could 't have been written before 67 AD; but again, you probably wouldn't accept them.
. I probably belong on your list (just to be safe) since I think Revelation is more SYMBOLIC and SPIRITUAL TRUTH than LITERAL PROPHECY of actual future historic events exactly as described.
I've seen you around but haven't really conversed with you on any topic. I've never seen any of your posts that I disagreed with. Never seen you in an eschatological discussion.? I can add you to the list though _ to be safe.

Some people have gotten nasty, slanderous, with name calling and accusations, twisting and distorting my words, etc. They get frustrated and resort to their vile side. So I certainly put them down as AVOID. Why should I desire to relate to them?
Listen, it doesn't mean I won't converse with most of these people on my lists, it just means I won't on that specific topic.
When I find out someone is a staunch liberal, it is if they are living in an alternate universe and there is this barrier I can't overcome, so I kind of distance myself from them too. I have my like lists too.
 
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I've seen you around but haven't really conversed with you on any topic. I've never seen any of your posts that I disagreed with. Never seen you in an eschatological discussion.? I can add you to the list though _ to be safe.
I tend to avoid eschatological discussions because I don't care enough about the answer to be willing to wade into the fight. It is not like "If I figure it all out, I will change what God is going to do." So I am a "Pan-Tribulationist" ... it will all PAN OUT IN THE END. :Laughingoutloud:

[I admire people that are interested in it enough to unravel the knot for themselves, but am leary of anyone confident that they have the end times 100% figured out ... especially if they announce a date!]
 

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Paul's words are often misunderstood.

The charismatics use Paul's words to prove their stupid doctrine of speaking in tongues and the Zionists use Paul's words to prove their stupid doctrine of dispensationalism.

If we take Paul's words literally, does that mean that women who have not fathered children are lost? Because in 1 Timothy 2:15 Paul literally says: "A woman is saved when she bears children".

If I take the Bible literally at every point, I can find passages that contradict the Trinity. I can even find Bible passages that contradict the crucifixion.

In fact, we come up with many absurdities when we take the Bible literally.

But does the Bible teach contradictions or absurdities? Absolutely not. These absurdities come from misinterpretation.

Romans 11 is the favorite chapter of the Zionists. It is often used to prove that apostate Israel is still God's beloved people. However, if you look at the entire Bible, you come to the conclusion: that apostate Israel has lost its position as God's holy people. That only a remnant of Jews have accepted the truth and most Jews will go to hell. That the true Israel consists of Christians from all nations. That a Christian is a true descendant of Abraham. That carnal Israel is called the enemy of God.

These conclusions are summed up in the doctrine of "fulfillment theology," but Zionists call this doctrine "replacement theology." This doctrine was taught by the earliest church fathers; indeed, all the great church fathers believed in fulfillment theology. Not only the church fathers, but also the great reformers. The greatest scholars of Christianity were followers of fulfillment theology. Why were they? Because it is biblical.

Who do you want to follow, the greatest scholars of Christianity or the Zionists who follow Babylon? I follow the scholars of church history.
Jesus has a plan for the world, all the nations and the Jews that were scattered throughout, for MT. ZION _ IN JERUSALEM:

Ezek 39:21-29
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“I will display my glory among the nations, and all the nations will see the punishment I inflict and the hand I lay on them. From that day forward the people of Israel will know that I am the Lord their God. And the nations will know that the people of Israel went into exile for their sin, because they were unfaithful to me. So I hid my face from them and handed them over to their enemies, and they all fell by the sword. I dealt with them according to their uncleanness and their offenses, and I hid my face from them.
“Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord says: I will now restore the fortunes of Jacob and will have compassion on all the people of Israel, and I will be zealous for my holy name. They will forget their shame and all the unfaithfulness they showed toward me when they lived in safety in their land with no one to make them afraid. When I have brought them back from the nations and have gathered them from the countries of their enemies, I will be proved holy through them in the sight of many nations. Then they will know that I am the Lord their God, for though I sent them into exile among the nations, I will gather them to their own land, not leaving any behind. I will no longer hide my face from them, for I will pour out my Spirit on the people of Israel, declares the Sovereign Lord.”

The Future House of God

2 Now it shall come to pass in the latter days

That the mountain of the Lord’s house
Shall be established on the top of the mountains,
And shall be exalted above the hills;
And all nations shall flow to it
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3 Many people shall come and say,
Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord,
To the house of the God of Jacob;
He will teach us His ways,
And we shall walk in His paths.”
For out of Zion shall go forth the law,
And the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.
4 He shall judge between the nations,
And rebuke many people;
They shall beat their swords into plowshares,
And their spears into pruning hooks;
Nation shall not lift up sword against nation,
Neither shall they learn war anymore. Isaiah 2:2-4


Isaiah 11:4-9

But with righteousness He shall judge the poor,
And decide with equity for the meek of the earth;
He shall strike the earth with the rod of His mouth,
And with the breath of His lips He shall slay the wicked.

5 Righteousness shall be the belt of His loins,
And faithfulness the belt of His waist.
6 “The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb,
The leopard shall lie down with the young goat,
The calf and the young lion and the fatling together;
And a little child shall lead them.
7 The cow and the bear shall graze;
Their young ones shall lie down together;
And the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
8 The nursing child shall play by the cobra’s hole,
And the weaned child shall put his hand in the viper’s den.
9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all My holy mountain,
For the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord
As the waters cover the sea.

Zechariah 14:9
And the Lord will be king over all the earth; in that day the Lord will be the only one, and His name the only one.

Zephaniah 3:11

“In that day you will feel no shame
Because of all your deeds
By which you have rebelled against Me;
For then I will remove from your midst
Your proud, exulting ones,
And you will never again be haughty
On My holy mountain.

Zechariah 14:16-21
Then it will come about that any who are left of all the nations that went against Jerusalem will go up from year to year to worship the King,
the Lord of hosts, and to celebrate the Feast of Booths. And it will be that whichever of the families of the earth does not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, there will be no rain on them. If the family of Egypt does not go up or enter, then no rain will fall on them; it will be the plague with which the Lord smites the nations who do not go up to celebrate the Feast of Booths.

None of this has happened yet. But you go ahead and refute Jesus' plan _ if you dare?
 

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It should be no surprise that a son of Satan would carry the ancient hatred of his father.

But Hitler did have this going for him, love for his Catholic mother. He was lenient on the organized church for her sake.

He was evil, but there are many who would be far worse if they were given absolute power.
 

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Oskar Schindler : I could have got more out. I could have got more. I don't know. If I'd just... I could have got more.

Itzhak Stern : Oskar, there are eleven hundred people who are alive because of you. Look at them.

Oskar Schindler : If I'd made more money... I threw away so much money. You have no idea. If I'd just...

Itzhak Stern : There will be generations because of what you did.

Oskar Schindler : I didn't do enough!

Itzhak Stern : You did so much.

[Schindler looks at his car]

Oskar Schindler : This car. Goeth would have bought this car. Why did I keep the car? Ten people right there. Ten people. Ten more people.

[removing Nazi pin from lapel]

Oskar Schindler : This pin. Two people. This is gold. Two more people. He would have given me two for it, at least one. One more person. A person, Stern. For this.

[sobbing]

Oskar Schindler : I could have gotten one more person... and I didn't! And I ...
 

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True, that is what my Pastor always used to say ... and I think to this day, he has never gotten into Eschatology with his church. He would say, "There are too many views..." and so played it safe, neutral. Didn't want to create division and it does.
The only issue I would take with that, RDB, is that John, at the outset of Revelation, says that anyone who reads aloud the words of this prophecy and/or hears, and keeps what is written in it will be blessed. So, first:

I... kinda think <smile> that God wants to bless us (rather than not, or to place judgment on us).​

And second:

It is the job of a pastor to... pastor... to encourage and equip the saints. So I don't like the idea of "playing it safe." Sure, we don't want to cause division, but maybe, just maybe, God is more powerful than any of us and therefore able to keep that from happening... :)​

Grace and peace to you!
 

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The only issue I would take with that, RDB, is that John, at the outset of Revelation, says that anyone who reads aloud the words of this prophecy and/or hears, and keeps what is written in it will be blessed. So, first:

I... kinda think <smile> that God wants to bless us (rather than not, or to place judgment on us).​

And second:

It is the job of a pastor to... pastor... to encourage and equip the saints. So I don't like the idea of "playing it safe." Sure, we don't want to cause division, but maybe, just maybe, God is more powerful than any of us and therefore able to keep that from happening... :)​

Grace and peace to you!
I didn't agree with my Pastor's decision. Many pleaded with him to go there and for years we hoped. Which is why I did not wait and sought other scholarly teachings and my own study.
The doctrine of Hell is another one many Pastor's avoid. They may make this passing warning of eternal judgment and then close the curtain, like a 6 second teaser trailer of a movie that they'll never show.
Grace and peace to you too!
 
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He was evil, but there are many who would be far worse if they were given absolute power.
I think I would. I am impatient. When I see all this corruption, crime, hate and greed escalating, great nations being destroyed by tyrants, the world sinking into a cesspool of immorality, I often think if I had such power to say the word and it would be done, all the reprobates would die at midnight, dissolve into a pillar of dust and blow away and then we could just move forward. Of course you would have to be God to know who they are.
But then I quickly snap out of my day dream and say, God has the better plan, we'll leave it up to Him, He will rid us of all these trouble makers in due time, I'll just have to wait til tomorrow, next week, next year or till I die, then for sure at least I will be rid of them.
Could there be as many as 2/3 of the world's population already written off as irredeemable souls ...or is God more merciful than that ... half the planet? Many would say most people at their core are good. The Bible says otherwise and if Christ comes next week, 2/3 are going down. But maybe the GT starts and the world is severely shakened, then people start realizing that their need to seek Christ in a hurry and many more are saved. This is what happens to many people approaching death, they are laid bear, weak and have lost their rebelliousness and finally surrender their fight - God gets their attention. A Great Tribulatiin will do that. I think the six trumpet judgments are the last warnings for the planet. Once the 7th sounds, you are either in Christ or not.

Blow the trumpet in Zion,
And sound an alarm in My holy mountain!
Let all the inhabitants of the land tremble;
For the day of the Lord is coming,
For it is at hand:
2 A day of darkness and gloominess,
A day of clouds and thick darkness,
Like the morning clouds spread over the mountains.
A people come, great and strong,
The like of whom has never been;
Nor will there ever be any such after them,
Even for many successive generations.
3 A fire devours before them,
And behind them a flame burns;
The land is like the Garden of Eden before them,
And behind them a desolate wilderness;
Surely nothing shall escape them...
The Lord gives voice before His army,
For His camp is very great;
For strong is the One who executes His word.
For the day of the Lord is great and very terrible;
Who can endure it?" Joel 2:1-3, 11.
 
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