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What if it is NOT literal land at all. What if it is not this literal earth, the earth made over, or even another new literal earth???
Please see my post #319.

What has to be factored in, if not meaning in the literal sense, is this. This same land in question is where wherein their fathers have dwelt, and this same land is what He gave unto Jacob His servant. Let's entertain the idea, that when applying this land to the here and now, or even to the next age, this land is not meaning in the literal sense. Even if that might work, how does one also apply this same land in this same sense to that of when God gave this land to Jacob His servant, and during when their fathers in the past have dwelled therein?

I see it making zero sense, if pertaining to the past, such as the days of their fathers, this land is meaning in the literal sense in this case. But if applying this same land to the here and now and beyond that, thus eternity, it is now no longer meaning literal land with literal borders geographically located somewhere upon this earth.

As to the post you recommended I check out, well I did, except it is too vague to try and determine what sense this land is meaning in, based on what you submitted in that post. None of that appears to address how this land in question should be understood in regards to when their fathers dwelled therein in the past.
 

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Silver instead of gold.

Just like the Pharisees. :laughing:
Just like a Pharisee.You don't believe God.

Genesis 17:8
The whole land of Canaan, where you now reside as a foreigner, I will give as an everlasting possession to you and your descendants after you; and I will be their God.”
 

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Dear Stewardofthemystery,
Yes, their own eyes could see the Temple. But in Christ's spiritual language, the physical is a "type" which represents the spiritual that is fulfilled under the New Covenant. Under the New Covenant, the believer is the temple of God. You need to transition from the Old Covenant way of understanding to the New Covenant way of understanding.

You need your spiritual blindness healed by Christ. He is the healer of the blind.

Joe
I fully understand about our body being the temple of God for the Holy Spirit to dwell.

BUT that is NOT what the AOD and destruction of the Temple Jesus and the apostles were looking at with their OWN EYES is about. It doesn’t take a Oracle to understand that. Quit trying to feign yourself as someone who has great spiritual insight, because you do not.
 

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My understanding is the same as the understanding of the Judaean Christians, who fled the abomination of desolation.

Was their understanding carnal?
Dear covenantee,
Yes, if the Judaean Christians believed that the destruction of the physical temple was the Abomination of Desolation, they were still spiritually blind and unconverted. Most believers (the "many") are spiritually blind and cannot know the truth of Christ's New Covenant teachings. It is for this reason that "babes" will all come under the deceptions of Satan. Satan's deceptions are pleasing to the carnal mind of "babes". For this reason, babes readily accept those deceptions as truth (Mat 12:43-45 applies). This is why the churches that the Apostles started all became apostate shortly after Paul's death.

You should not be looking at church history for your truth. Scripture is sufficient - but it must be spiritually understood.

Joe
 

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Just like a Pharisee.You don't believe God.

Genesis 17:8
The whole land of Canaan, where you now reside as a foreigner, I will give as an everlasting possession to you and your descendants after you; and I will be their God.”
God has offered you gold instead of silver.

You've thrown it back at Him.

Just like the Pharisees.
 

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I fully understand about our body being the temple of God for the Holy Spirit to dwell.

BUT that is NOT what the AOD and destruction of the Temple Jesus and the apostles were looking at with their OWN EYES is about. It doesn’t take a Oracle to understand that. Quit trying to feign yourself as someone who has great spiritual insight, because you do not.
Dear Stewardofthemystery,
Your are trying to understand the New Covenant as if it were the Old Covenant. You have not rightly divided the truth. Believers in Christ are under the New Covenant where the temple is not made with brick and hands.

Also, you don't seem to understand that in Christ's spiritual teachings, the physical events are "types" which are spiritually fulfilled under the New Covenant.

Below is a good example of a physical "type" which is now being fulfilled spiritually within the Elect. This way of understanding "types" applies to Christ's teachings on the physical temple and the Abomination of Desolation.

Mark 8:15 And he charged them, saying, take heed, beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, and of the leaven of Herod. 16 And they reasoned among themselves, saying, it is because we have no bread. 17 And when Jesus knew it, he saith unto them, why reason ye, because ye have no bread? perceive ye not yet, neither understand? have ye your heart yet hardened? 18 Having eyes, see ye not? and having ears, hear ye not? and do ye not remember? 19 When I broke the five loaves among five thousand, how many baskets full of fragments took ye up? They say unto him, Twelve. 20 And when the seven among four thousand, how many baskets full of fragments took ye up? And they said, Seven. 21 And he said unto them, how is it that ye do not understand?

In the verses above, Christ is giving His disciples a lesson on the spiritual language of God's Word - His language:

Isa 28:9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. 10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: 11 For with stammering lips and another language will he speak to this people. 12 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.

At this point in time (before they were converted at Pentecost), the disciples had received the Early Rain of the Spirit but had not yet received the Baptism of the Holy Spirit (Latter Rain of the Spirit). And because of such, they were still spiritually blind and could not understand the spiritual language of Christ.

Christ ends His comments above by asking the disciples this question: “How is it that ye do not understand?” No response from the disciples is recorded in scripture. However, Christ answers His own question in the very next four verses.

Mark 8:22 And he cometh to Bethsaida; and they bring a blind man unto him, and besought him to touch him. 23 And he took the blind man by the hand, and led him out of the town; and when he had spit on his eyes, and put his hands upon him, he asked him if he saw ought. 24 And he looked up, and said, I see men as trees, walking. 25 After that he put his hands again upon his eyes, and made him look up: and he was restored, and saw every man clearly.

Since Christ is the Word of God, He teaches us not only through His words which are recorded in scripture but also by the things that He did. In answering the question that He proposed to the disciples in verse 21, Christ goes to Bethsaida and gives us His answer in type by the healing of a blind man.

In verse 23, Christ leads a blind man out of the city. Once outside the city, Christ places spit on his eyes and touches him with His hands. These actions occur as the blind man is looking down which symbolizes the carnal aspect of His healing. Christ does not have to tell the blind man to look down, the blind man just does it naturally. The spit (water) symbolizes the blind man receiving the Early Rain of the Spirit with its accompanying vision (carnal understanding). This event represents the time when an unbeliever is called out from the world and enters the church.

After Christ asks the man what he could see, the man looks up and says that he could see men "walking as trees". "Walking as trees" is a spiritual symbol for called out believers who walk by sight (the flesh, carnal nature) rather than by faith & the Spirit. The man’s blindness was not total any longer but he was still very near-sighted and could only see Christ carnally. Paul stated that this near-sighted type of understanding will only allow a believer to see "Christ and Him crucified" (1Cor 2:2). This means that the new believer can see Christ's physical work that He did under the Old Covenant, but Christ's spiritual work that He is presently doing under the New Covenant will remain blurred.

This first healing of the blind man reflects the true spiritual condition of a new believer when they first enter the church. At this time, the believer is left carnally minded and spiritually near-sighted. They can see a little, but that only opens the door to Satan's carnally based deceptions - deceptions which each new believer will readily accept due to their carnal nature still being in control of them (Mat 12:43-45, Mat 24:24 & Luke 5:39).

For a carnally minded and spiritually blind believer (Early Rain only), the Old Wine still tastes better than the New Wine:

Luke 5:39 No man also having drunk old wine straightway desires the new: for he says, The old is better.

The Old Wine represents the Old Covenant which is based on the works of man. The New Wine represents the New Covenant which is solely based on the spiritual works of Christ.

Peter says that this near-sighted condition is the same as being blind:

2Pet 1:9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.

Peter makes this statement because the believers to whom he was addressing were mixing their own works with faith. They were still preferring the Old Wine.

In the final verse of the story of the blind man, Christ lays His hands upon the man’s eyes again, but as He does, Christ has the man look up instead of down. This second healing represents the Latter Rain of the Spirit when true spiritual vision is given to a believer. The man’s upward gaze represents the spiritual aspect of the healing in contrast to the carnal aspect when the blind man was looking down at the earth.

From that moment onward, we now know that the blind man is a type for a called AND chosen believer who has received both the Early and Latter Rains of the Spirit (James 5:7-8). The man has been given eyes that can see spiritually ("drawn from the breasts" Isa 28:9). From his new ability to understand God's Word, he will then come out from Satan's deceptions and will begin walking by faith. He will be included in the resurrection of the First Fruits and will receive the reward of life during the ages.

Joe
 

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Dear covenantee,
Yes, if the Judaean Christians believed that the destruction of the physical temple was the Abomination of Desolation, they were still spiritually blind and unconverted. Most believers (the "many") are spiritually blind and cannot know the truth of Christ's New Covenant teachings. It is for this reason that "babes" will all come under the deceptions of Satan. Satan's deceptions are pleasing to the carnal mind of "babes". For this reason, babes readily accept those deceptions as truth (Mat 12:43-45 applies). This is why the churches that the Apostles started all became apostate shortly after Paul's death.

You should not be looking at church history for your truth. Scripture is sufficient - but it must be spiritually understood.

Joe
If they'd listened to you instead of Jesus, they'd all have perished. So who got it right?

1. You
2. Judaean Christians

Need a hint? :laughing:
 

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No, I do not. I reject your intrerpretations of the words of the Lord.

That might be like saying, take Paul for example. Imagine saying to him 2000 years ago, "Paul, I don't reject the words of the Lord, I reject your interpretation of His words". As if somehow, by rejecting Paul's interpretation of the words of the Lord, this does not equal rejecting the words of the Lord. Of course it equals that, how could it not if Paul is interpreting those words of the Lord correctly and that someone is rejecting his interpretation of those words?

You can't be serious then when you insist that you are not rejecting the words of the Lord because it is the interpretation of those words that you are rejecting, when there is always that chance that maybe the other person is correctly interpreting the words of the Lord in this case, whatever this case might be at the time? You act as if it is impossible that someone you are disagreeing with could actually be interpreting the words of the Lord correctly in this case, whatever this case might be at the time.

Therefore, in your mind you are not rejecting the words of the Lord. Obviously, that would be true if they are not correctly interpreting the words of the Lord. But what if in some cases they actually are, but that you are rejecting their interpretation of the words of the Lord in question at the time? What does that add up to if not, that you are rejecting the words of the Lord in this case?

BTW, I'm meaning all of this in general.
 

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Dear Stewardofthemystery,
Your are trying to understand the New Covenant as if it were the Old Covenant. You have not rightly divided the truth. Believers in Christ are under the New Covenant where the temple is not made with brick and hands.

Also, you don't seem to understand that in Christ's spiritual teachings, the physical events are "types" which are spiritually fulfilled under the New Covenant.

Below is a good example of a physical "type" which is now being fulfilled spiritually within the Elect. This way of understanding "types" applies to Christ's teachings on the physical temple and the Abomination of Desolation.

Mark 8:15 And he charged them, saying, take heed, beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, and of the leaven of Herod. 16 And they reasoned among themselves, saying, it is because we have no bread. 17 And when Jesus knew it, he saith unto them, why reason ye, because ye have no bread? perceive ye not yet, neither understand? have ye your heart yet hardened? 18 Having eyes, see ye not? and having ears, hear ye not? and do ye not remember? 19 When I broke the five loaves among five thousand, how many baskets full of fragments took ye up? They say unto him, Twelve. 20 And when the seven among four thousand, how many baskets full of fragments took ye up? And they said, Seven. 21 And he said unto them, how is it that ye do not understand?

In the verses above, Christ is giving His disciples a lesson on the spiritual language of God's Word - His language:

Isa 28:9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. 10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: 11 For with stammering lips and another language will he speak to this people. 12 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.

At this point in time (before they were converted at Pentecost), the disciples had received the Early Rain of the Spirit but had not yet received the Baptism of the Holy Spirit (Latter Rain of the Spirit). And because of such, they were still spiritually blind and could not understand the spiritual language of Christ.

Christ ends His comments above by asking the disciples this question: “How is it that ye do not understand?” No response from the disciples is recorded in scripture. However, Christ answers His own question in the very next four verses.

Mark 8:22 And he cometh to Bethsaida; and they bring a blind man unto him, and besought him to touch him. 23 And he took the blind man by the hand, and led him out of the town; and when he had spit on his eyes, and put his hands upon him, he asked him if he saw ought. 24 And he looked up, and said, I see men as trees, walking. 25 After that he put his hands again upon his eyes, and made him look up: and he was restored, and saw every man clearly.

Since Christ is the Word of God, He teaches us not only through His words which are recorded in scripture but also by the things that He did. In answering the question that He proposed to the disciples in verse 21, Christ goes to Bethsaida and gives us His answer in type by the healing of a blind man.

In verse 23, Christ leads a blind man out of the city. Once outside the city, Christ places spit on his eyes and touches him with His hands. These actions occur as the blind man is looking down which symbolizes the carnal aspect of His healing. Christ does not have to tell the blind man to look down, the blind man just does it naturally. The spit (water) symbolizes the blind man receiving the Early Rain of the Spirit with its accompanying vision (carnal understanding). This event represents the time when an unbeliever is called out from the world and enters the church.

After Christ asks the man what he could see, the man looks up and says that he could see men "walking as trees". "Walking as trees" is a spiritual symbol for called out believers who walk by sight (the flesh, carnal nature) rather than by faith & the Spirit. The man’s blindness was not total any longer but he was still very near-sighted and could only see Christ carnally. Paul stated that this near-sighted type of understanding will only allow a believer to see "Christ and Him crucified" (1Cor 2:2). This means that the new believer can see Christ's physical work that He did under the Old Covenant, but Christ's spiritual work that He is presently doing under the New Covenant will remain blurred.

This first healing of the blind man reflects the true spiritual condition of a new believer when they first enter the church. At this time, the believer is left carnally minded and spiritually near-sighted. They can see a little, but that only opens the door to Satan's carnally based deceptions - deceptions which each new believer will readily accept due to their carnal nature still being in control of them (Mat 12:43-45, Mat 24:24 & Luke 5:39).

For a carnally minded and spiritually blind believer (Early Rain only), the Old Wine still tastes better than the New Wine:

Luke 5:39 No man also having drunk old wine straightway desires the new: for he says, The old is better.

The Old Wine represents the Old Covenant which is based on the works of man. The New Wine represents the New Covenant which is solely based on the spiritual works of Christ.

Peter says that this near-sighted condition is the same as being blind:

2Pet 1:9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.

Peter makes this statement because the believers to whom he was addressing were mixing their own works with faith. They were still preferring the Old Wine.

In the final verse of the story of the blind man, Christ lays His hands upon the man’s eyes again, but as He does, Christ has the man look up instead of down. This second healing represents the Latter Rain of the Spirit when true spiritual vision is given to a believer. The man’s upward gaze represents the spiritual aspect of the healing in contrast to the carnal aspect when the blind man was looking down at the earth.

From that moment onward, we now know that the blind man is a type for a called AND chosen believer who has received both the Early and Latter Rains of the Spirit (James 5:7-8). The man has been given eyes that can see spiritually ("drawn from the breasts" Isa 28:9). From his new ability to understand God's Word, he will then come out from Satan's deceptions and will begin walking by faith. He will be included in the resurrection of the First Fruits and will receive the reward of life during the ages.

Joe
This thread is not about the old Covenant or New Covenant. It is about WHEN the destruction of the physical Temple in Jerusalem was physically destroyed. Get a clue
 

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Mystery Babylon is the name written on the harlots forehead, meaning it is what is in her heart/mind. Just as the name of God and His heavenly city is written on the forehead of His anointed saints. But Jew and Gentile Christians alike who have left their first love in Christ and went and played the harlot with the ways of the world shall receive of the harlots plagues, if they do not repent and return to Christ.
This is a common opinion but iit is incorrect.

Let us look at the passage.

Revelation 17:5
And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth.

1. when a woman is used symbolically in Scripture it either is a nation or religious system. Here it is a religious system

2. Her full name is mother of all harlots (false religions)

3. Judaism and Christianity are not the mother of all false religions- we have the true religion.

4. This refers back to the ancient Babylonian mystery religion which has never vanished but is found throughout the world in many guises.
 

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This is a common opinion but iit is incorrect.

Let us look at the passage.

Revelation 17:5
And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth.

1. when a woman is used symbolically in Scripture it either is a nation or religious system. Here it is a religious system

2. Her full name is mother of all harlots (false religions)

3. Judaism and Christianity are not the mother of all false religions- we have the true religion.

4. This refers back to the ancient Babylonian mystery religion which has never vanished but is found throughout the world in many guises.
The name written on the forehead represents the way a person thinks, meaning what is in the heart/mind.

Jeremiah 3:3
Therefore the showers have been withholden, and there hath been no latter rain; and thou hadst a whore's forehead, thou refusedst to be ashamed.
 

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If they'd listened to you instead of Jesus, they'd all have perished. So who got it right?

1. You
2. Judaean Christians

Need a hint? :laughing:
Dear covenantee,
If they were saved, they are not perished.

Here is the scripture and the meaning of Christ's spiritual message:

Mat 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

The destruction of the physical temple was a "type" which represented that under the New Covenant, mankind would no longer approach God by their own "works". The pathway to God by man's works is what the Old Covenant and the physical temple (made with hands) represented.

Under the New Covenant, the physical temple is destroyed and replaced with a new temple. The new temple is built solely by the spiritual works of Christ and is the child of God where the Holy Spirit dwells. The remainder of Matthew chapter 24 teaches the pathway to salvation which shows how Christ will be building the new temple (the child of God).

Joe
 

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This thread is not about the old Covenant or New Covenant. It is about WHEN the destruction of the physical Temple in Jerusalem was physically destroyed. Get a clue
Dear Stewardofthemystery,
You are being disrespectful in your communications.

As for the destruction of the Temple, it is strongly tied to the Old and New Covenants as I explained above to "covenantee". The destruction of the physical temple is a "type" for the transition from the Old to the New. It has nothing to do with the Abomination of Desolation which occurs under the New Covenant.

Joe
 

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The abomination of desolation will be placed in Jerusalem by the United States armed forces at the time of the end.

At the time of great tribulation,the likes of which has never been seen.
At this time.

Daniel 12:1-2
And at that time Michael the great prince shall stand up, that stands over the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of tribulation, such tribulation as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth until that time: at that time thy people shall be delivered, even every one that is written in the book.
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to reproach and everlasting shame.
NONSENSE!
 
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Dear Stewardofthemystery,
You are being disrespectful in your communications.

As for the destruction of the Temple, it is strongly tied to the Old and New Covenants as I explained above to "covenantee". The destruction of the physical temple is a "type" for the transition from the Old to the New.

Joe
You are being disrespectful. This thread is not about YOU trying to show off your own “perceived”deep spiritual understanding, which you do not have.

This thread is about the physical destruction of the physical Temple Jesus and the apostles were looking at with their OWN EYES.

If you want to try to show off your own deep spiritual understanding of scripture go start another thread.
 

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God has offered you gold instead of silver.

You've thrown it back at Him.

Just like the Pharisees.

You reject the word of God like a Pharisee.
You say God does not keep his word and you call all his prophets liers.
God has promised Abraham and his seed the land of Canaan for an everlasting.l possession but you lie and say God took it from Abraham .When New Jerusalem comes down from.heaven from God and Abraham walks its streets of gold you will not be found because you say God does not keep his word.

As for what you say God offered.Anything you say can not be believed.You can't even quote the word of God because you don't believe it.
 

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Dear Stewardofthemystery,
Your are trying to understand the New Covenant as if it were the Old Covenant. You have not rightly divided the truth. Believers in Christ are under the New Covenant where the temple is not made with brick and hands.

Also, you don't seem to understand that in Christ's spiritual teachings, the physical events are "types" which are spiritually fulfilled under the New Covenant.

Below is a good example of a physical "type" which is now being fulfilled spiritually within the Elect. This way of understanding "types" applies to Christ's teachings on the physical temple and the Abomination of Desolation.

Mark 8:15 And he charged them, saying, take heed, beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, and of the leaven of Herod. 16 And they reasoned among themselves, saying, it is because we have no bread. 17 And when Jesus knew it, he saith unto them, why reason ye, because ye have no bread? perceive ye not yet, neither understand? have ye your heart yet hardened? 18 Having eyes, see ye not? and having ears, hear ye not? and do ye not remember? 19 When I broke the five loaves among five thousand, how many baskets full of fragments took ye up? They say unto him, Twelve. 20 And when the seven among four thousand, how many baskets full of fragments took ye up? And they said, Seven. 21 And he said unto them, how is it that ye do not understand?

In the verses above, Christ is giving His disciples a lesson on the spiritual language of God's Word - His language:

Isa 28:9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. 10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: 11 For with stammering lips and another language will he speak to this people. 12 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.

At this point in time (before they were converted at Pentecost), the disciples had received the Early Rain of the Spirit but had not yet received the Baptism of the Holy Spirit (Latter Rain of the Spirit). And because of such, they were still spiritually blind and could not understand the spiritual language of Christ.

Christ ends His comments above by asking the disciples this question: “How is it that ye do not understand?” No response from the disciples is recorded in scripture. However, Christ answers His own question in the very next four verses.

Mark 8:22 And he cometh to Bethsaida; and they bring a blind man unto him, and besought him to touch him. 23 And he took the blind man by the hand, and led him out of the town; and when he had spit on his eyes, and put his hands upon him, he asked him if he saw ought. 24 And he looked up, and said, I see men as trees, walking. 25 After that he put his hands again upon his eyes, and made him look up: and he was restored, and saw every man clearly.

Since Christ is the Word of God, He teaches us not only through His words which are recorded in scripture but also by the things that He did. In answering the question that He proposed to the disciples in verse 21, Christ goes to Bethsaida and gives us His answer in type by the healing of a blind man.

In verse 23, Christ leads a blind man out of the city. Once outside the city, Christ places spit on his eyes and touches him with His hands. These actions occur as the blind man is looking down which symbolizes the carnal aspect of His healing. Christ does not have to tell the blind man to look down, the blind man just does it naturally. The spit (water) symbolizes the blind man receiving the Early Rain of the Spirit with its accompanying vision (carnal understanding). This event represents the time when an unbeliever is called out from the world and enters the church.

After Christ asks the man what he could see, the man looks up and says that he could see men "walking as trees". "Walking as trees" is a spiritual symbol for called out believers who walk by sight (the flesh, carnal nature) rather than by faith & the Spirit. The man’s blindness was not total any longer but he was still very near-sighted and could only see Christ carnally. Paul stated that this near-sighted type of understanding will only allow a believer to see "Christ and Him crucified" (1Cor 2:2). This means that the new believer can see Christ's physical work that He did under the Old Covenant, but Christ's spiritual work that He is presently doing under the New Covenant will remain blurred.

This first healing of the blind man reflects the true spiritual condition of a new believer when they first enter the church. At this time, the believer is left carnally minded and spiritually near-sighted. They can see a little, but that only opens the door to Satan's carnally based deceptions - deceptions which each new believer will readily accept due to their carnal nature still being in control of them (Mat 12:43-45, Mat 24:24 & Luke 5:39).

For a carnally minded and spiritually blind believer (Early Rain only), the Old Wine still tastes better than the New Wine:

Luke 5:39 No man also having drunk old wine straightway desires the new: for he says, The old is better.

The Old Wine represents the Old Covenant which is based on the works of man. The New Wine represents the New Covenant which is solely based on the spiritual works of Christ.

Peter says that this near-sighted condition is the same as being blind:

2Pet 1:9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.

Peter makes this statement because the believers to whom he was addressing were mixing their own works with faith. They were still preferring the Old Wine.

In the final verse of the story of the blind man, Christ lays His hands upon the man’s eyes again, but as He does, Christ has the man look up instead of down. This second healing represents the Latter Rain of the Spirit when true spiritual vision is given to a believer. The man’s upward gaze represents the spiritual aspect of the healing in contrast to the carnal aspect when the blind man was looking down at the earth.

From that moment onward, we now know that the blind man is a type for a called AND chosen believer who has received both the Early and Latter Rains of the Spirit (James 5:7-8). The man has been given eyes that can see spiritually ("drawn from the breasts" Isa 28:9). From his new ability to understand God's Word, he will then come out from Satan's deceptions and will begin walking by faith. He will be included in the resurrection of the First Fruits and will receive the reward of life during the ages.

Joe
many do look for a third physcial temple and etc .
Go to acts . read what james tells the church .
and to this agree the words of the prophets , i will build again the tabernacle that is fallen
He is quoating from amos
TO DESCRIBE THE GOSPEL preaching , the NEW TEMPLE . you right my friend bout that anyway .
I think its acts chapter fifteen , not sure . but read it and see and notice he quoates from amos .
SPeaking of the new temple , i will rebuild , and yet this is done SPIRITUALLY in CHRIST by the preaching of the gospel .
Stone by stone . JESUS THE CHRIST the CORNERTONE of the temple the apostels and prophets the baseline
and each and every other stone is a beleiver in JESUS the CHRIST . But many look for a third physical temple .
THE JERUSALEM of GOD , THE HEAVENLY ONE is above
and the temple is GOD and the LAMB and the saved in JESUS THE CHRIST are within .
The ZION of GOD ,
for ye have come unto MOUNT ZION the HEAVENLY JERSUALEM .
Isnt that a beauty . One day it will descend and do we await the CITY . BUT IT IS HEAVENLY .
THE JERSUALEM OF GOD that shall NEVER BE MOVED
wherein nothing uholy , unclean , etc enters not in . NOW raise them hands cause it be LORD praising time
in the building my friend . As far as a strong delusion , THAT SHOULD be what folks need to be alerted about .
CAUSE ITS HERE . and it is gathering the false religoins along wtih the false within christendom itself
to all merge as one under what they think is love and is GOD , BUT IT IS NOT GOD and NOT LOVE .
 

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NONSENSE!
Just because you do not watch doesn't mean everyone is as blind.
There is no other nation that would even carry out the Israeli governments nuclear doctrine of self annihilation and the destruction of all its enemies.
 

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Get your eyes on Christ and get your eyes off Israel.
Jesus icommanded me to watch so I watch.
There's nothing wrong watching what the beast and false prophet do.Espeacially as the time of Christs coming nears.

Mathew 24
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?

46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.

47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.

48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;

49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;

50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,

51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.