When was the A.O.D fulfilled?

[Spiritual Israelite]

The Galatian 2:9 agreement was made after Peter went to Cornelius.

The argument is very valid and by ignoring it problems arise like the one we’re discussing.

When were the Gentiles part of the diaspora?

Galatians 2:9 is talking about where they would go in person to preach to people. That does not mean Peter could not write a letter to both Jews and Gentiles. That's a very weak argument. And Peter is not referring to the diaspora in his letter. He is simply referring to Christians who were located in different places "throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia". You are trying to make scripture say what you want it to say by making all kinds of biased assumptions.

Also, look at how he referred to them:

1 Peter 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ. 6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded. 7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner, 8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed. 9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light; 10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

There's 2 things to note here.

The first is that scripture teaches that the stones that "are built up a spiritual house" with Jesus as its cornerstone is the church. That is undeniable.

Ephesians 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; 21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: 22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

And we know the church consists of both Jew and Gentile believers.

The second thing to note about that passage is that Peter says "in time past" they "were not a people, but are now the people of God". That's not something he would say to Jews. The Jews were the people of God before Christ brought Jew and Gentile believers together as one body. Look at the passage from Ephesians 2 above. Paul had previously talked about how the Gentiles were formerly "strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world" (Eph 2:11-12), but "Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God". So, Jew and Gentile believers together were formerly not the people of God because Gentiles were "without God in the world", but now are "fellowcitizens". Formerly not the people of God, but now they are. Clearly, that includes Gentile believers.

Then there is the following passage, also:

Romans 9:22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: 23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, 24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles? 25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved. 26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.

Just like in Ephesians 2, Paul refers to the Gentiles as formerly not being the people of God, but now are the people of God along with the believing Jews. So, there is no question that Peter was writing to both Jew and Gentile believers in his letter since he said things about them that are only true of the church consisting of Jew and Gentile believers.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

PS

You do understand what land God promised to give to Abraham for an everlasting possession dont you?


Mathew 8:11-12
I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven.
But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”


Abraham was never given the land God had promised to give him.though Abraham is now buried in it.

You do understand that Abraham and his descendants came to realize that God had something better in mind for them, don't you?

Hebrews 11:8 8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went. 9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise: 10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God. 11 Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised. 12 Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable. 13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. 14 For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. 15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned. 16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

Why do you desire something inferior for Abraham and his descendants than what they were looking for, which was "a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God" and "a better country, that is, an heavenly"? You are missing that God promised them something much better than what they thought, which was great news for them. He promises something eternal rather than just temporal. They will inherit the eternal new heavens and new earth where righteousness dwells (2 Peter 3:13). That is what they (and we) are looking for now, just as Peter said in 2 Peter 3:13.

2 Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

God's word doesn't change.
When he makes a promise,he keeps it.

Yes, but sometimes the promise is even better than people realize, as Hebrews 11:8-16 makes clear. Is Hebrews 11:8-16 in your Bible?

Also, sometimes His promises extend to more people than what anyone realized before as well.

Ephesians 3:1 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles, 2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward: 3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, 4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) 5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; 6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

So, Gentile believers are to be fellowheirs of God's promises. Are you looking for temporal land on this earth as we know it to inherit as a fellow heir with Israelite believers? Or are you looking for what we should be looking for, which is this:

2 Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Galatians 3
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

These verses are missing from the Dispensationalist Nonsense Translation.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

There are no other instances where diaspora is used in a spiritual sense and the diaspora wasn’t referring to Gentiles unless you call Peter’s usage the only exception. Galatians 2:9 tells us Peter went to the circumcision.

I have come across others on this forum that claim there are instances where verses can be interpreted in such a way that there is no corroboration whatsoever with any other verses. This type of Bible hermeneutics I completely disagree with but if you want to go that road you will have others on the forum that will gladly agree with you.

I think you missed what it means to be a Gentile and a Jew in spiritual terms.

God said His people were to be a peculiar people. Paul is speaking here to the Gentile converts who were once strangers…

Titus 2:14
Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

Psalm 135:4
For the Lord hath chosen Jacob unto himself, and Israel for his peculiar treasure.

1 Peter 2:9
But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

Deuteronomy 14:2
For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God, and the Lord hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth.

John 10:16
And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and oneshepherd.

Ephesians 2:15
Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain onenew man, so making peace;

Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

So in spiritual terms is does not matter who Peter was talking to according to the flesh.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

And where do some Amils have these reigning as kings and priests per verse 4 and 6 in Revelation 20? In heaven, that is where. But where does the text indicate they reign as kings and priests? Unless I can't read properly in this case, it looks like to me it says where they shall reign as kings and priests is meaning here---and we shall reign on the earth.

Maybe it's just me, but somehow I tend to think heaven and earth are not meaning the same place. Therefore, the earth meant in verse 10 couldn't possibly be meaning heaven. It has to be meaning exactlty what it says, that being the earth, not heaven, where we shall reign as kings and priests.

Are we not kings and priests now? Scripture says we are. Why do you not take that into account?

Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, 6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Revelation 5:9 And they sang a new song, saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, because you were slain, and with your blood you purchased for God persons from every tribe and language and people and nation. 10 You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will reign on the earth.”

1 Peter 2:9 But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.

Since we are now priests in Christ's kingdom and we are on the earth, it makes more sense that Revelation 5:10 is saying that those who have been made priests in His kingdom reign now on the earth and will continue to reign on the earth. Why would we be priests in His kingdom now, but not be reigning now? That makes no sense.

What you may not be aware of is that the Greek word basileuō, translated as "shall reign" in Revelation 5:10, can be used in both the present tense and in the future tense.

Look at this passage:

Romans 5:15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. 16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification. 17 For if by one man's offence death reigned (basileuō) by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign (basileuō) in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

In this verse it is used in an ongoing sense starting in the past until now (death has reigned since Adam until now), and in the present tense (the free gift of righteousness and salvation results in us reigning in life by Jesus Christ). So, here the word is translated as "shall reign" even though it's talking about something in the present tense. It means we have been given grace and the gift of righteousness now and reign now "in life by one, Jesus Christ" and will continue to "reign in life by one, Jesus Christ") because of having been given the free gift of righteousness and salvation by God's grace through faith in Christ.

So, coming back to Revelation 5:10, just because the word was translated as "shall reign" there doesn't mean it can't apply to the present as well as the future going forward. It can be understood in the same way it is used in Romans 5:17 which is in the present tense and ongoing from the present. And, again, since we are NOW priests in His kingdom and are NOW on the earth, it fits the context to see it as talking about us reigning now as priests in His kingdom on the earth. And the souls of the dead in Christ reign as priests in His kingdom in heaven now as well, which is what Revelation 20 is talking about.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You say God has broken his word to both Abraham and his seed "Christ" and will.not give Abraham and his seed the land he promised to give him.

Genesis 17:8
And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.

What we are saying is that God will give Abraham and his seed even more than what He promised, as indicated in Hebrews 11:8-16. Is that passage in your Bible? Can you see that Abraham and his seed desired "a better country, that is, an heavenly" than the land he dwelt in as a stranger? Why do you desire something less for Abraham and his seed than the better, heavenly country that Abraham and his seed were looking forward to inheriting?

And how could Abraham and his seed inherit "the land wherein thou art a stranger" forever in light of this:

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

 

[covenantee]

God's word doesn't change.
When he makes a promise,he keeps it.

The prophets wrote about resurected Israel living in the land promised to Abraham long after they are resurected from the dead.Long after they come out of the graves,they live in the land God promised Abraham.

You say God does not keep his word because his word is not in you.

You believe all the prophets who prophecied of resurected Israel living in the promised land is all lies.You remind me of a Muslim because Muslims say God lies too.


Ezekiel 37
12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

13 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.

Once upon a time there was a father who, in his will, bequeathed his son 100 ounces of silver. He told his son of the bequest. Some time later, the father decided to update his will, and without telling his son, changed the bequest from 100 ounces of silver to 100 ounces of gold. Silver was valued at $30/ounce, and gold at $2000/ounce. Eventually, the father passed away, and the time for the reading of the will ensued. The bequest to the son of his 100 ounces of gold was read, whereupon the son arose in fury, and accused his father of lying and deceiving him. He straightway marched down to the local coin shop and demanded that his gold be exchanged for silver. Thankfully, the coin shop merchant was an honorable man and refused to perform the transaction. Ultimately, the son recognized his foolish error, and enjoyed his far superior bequest.

Who is the son?

Need a hint?

 

[tailgator]

Once upon a time there was a father who, in his will, bequeathed his son 100 ounces of silver. He told his son of the bequest. Some time later, the father decided to update his will, and without telling his son, changed the bequest from 100 ounces of silver to 100 ounces of gold. Silver was valued at $30/ounce, and gold at $2000/ounce. Eventually, the father passed away, and the time for the reading of the will ensued. The bequest to the son of his 100 ounces of gold was read, whereupon the son arose in fury, and accused his father of lying and deceiving him. He straightway marched down to the local coin shop and demanded that his gold be exchanged for silver. Thankfully, the coin shop merchant was an honorable man and refused to perform the transaction. Ultimately, the son recognized his foolish error, and enjoyed his far superior bequest.

Who is the son?

Need a hint?

Seeing the father died,the son is certainly not the son of God.

Also God knows thousands of years what he is going to do before he does it and says what he is going to do.
God showed Abraham what he was going to give him.Abraham.believed God.Why can't you believe God?
Is it to difficult for you to believe God?

Genesis 17:8
The whole land of Canaan, where you now reside as a foreigner, I will give as an everlasting possession to you and your descendants after you; and I will be their God.”

 

[covenantee]

Seeing the father died,the son is certainly not the son of God.

Also God knows thousands of years what he is going to do before he does it and says what he is going to do.
God showed Abraham what he was going to give him.Abraham.believed God.Why can't you believe God?
Is it to difficult for you to believe God?

Genesis 17:8
The whole land of Canaan, where you now reside as a foreigner, I will give as an everlasting possession to you and your descendants after you; and I will be their God.”

Unsurprisingly, you can't recognize yourself even in a mirror.

You'd rather have silver than gold.

 

[tailgator]

Unsurprisingly, you can't recognize yourself even in a mirror.

You'd rather have silver than gold.

My father is not dead.
You have mistaken me for someone else.

 

[covenantee]

My father is not dead.
You have mistaken me for someone else.

Thanks for confirming the dispen mentality.

Incapable, like the Pharisees, of understanding a simple illustration.

 

[FaithWillDo]

Many claim the abomination of desolation (AOD)spoken of by Daniel and Jesus has not been fulfilled yet, and another Temple needs to be rebuilt in the future in Jerusalem in order to fulfill this prophecy.

Dear Stewardofthemystery,
Your understanding of the Abomination of Desolation is carnal and not spiritual.

Christ teaches His truth of the New Covenant using His spiritual language. For those teachings of the New Covenant to be understood, they MUST be applied "within" a person. That is where the spiritual takes place - between the ears so to speak.

Under the New Covenant, the individual becomes the Temple of God when Christ gives the person the Early Rain of the Spirit. It is only the Old Covenant teachings which apply to a literal, physical temple. In Christ's New Covenant teachings, the physical temple is a "type" for the spiritual temple. The spiritual temple is a believer who has the Holy Spirit indwelling them.

1Cor 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

In Christ's end-time teachings, the phrase "signs of the times" represents the spiritual events that will occur within His Elect. You should not be thinking of those events has happening out in the world. When the "end" comes upon an Elect person, it is their moment of conversion/salvation.

1Cor 10:11 Now all these things happened to them as types, and have been written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the ages are come.

And because the end-time teachings apply to all the Elect, those end-time teachings are reoccurring events that happen within the lives of each of the Elect. At the time John received the vision, those end-time events had already occurred within the Elect who had already been converted, and those same events where presently occurring within the Elect who were in the process of being converted, and those same events will continue to occur within the remaining Elect until this present age ends.

Rev 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for THE TIME IS AT HAND. 4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne...

Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Rev 4:8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.

If those events are one-time outward events as you believe, how can all the Elect "keep those things written therein" so that they are blessed?

The Elect's blessing occurs only when they are converted and have entered the Kingdom of Heaven.

The pathway to salvation which Christ causes all His Elect to travel to the "end" (conversion) is what the end-time prophecies and the book of Revelation are teaching. That is why the Elect will "keep the sayings of the prophecy" and why the prophecy says that Christ will come "quickly". Christ will come quickly to each of the Elect before they physically die.

Rev 22:7 Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.

After the last Elect person is converted in this age, Daniel's Seventy Weeks prophecy will be complete.

Dan 9:27 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people (OT Faithful) and upon thy holy city (New Jerusalem/the Elect/Bride), to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Since all new believers (babes) will remain spiritually blind after receiving the Early Rain of the Spirit, they will all "fall backward, and be broken, and snared and taken" by Satan via the spirit of anti-Christ.

Isa 28:9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk (the Converted Elect), and drawn from the breasts. 10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: 11 For with stammering lips and another language (spiritual language) will he speak to this people. 12 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken (by Satan).

When the spirit of anti-Christ enters a new believer (God's Temple), the Abomination of Desolation will occur within them. Since this happens to all the Elect, this is one of the reoccurring "signs of the times" that Christ mentions below:

Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see (not "if" you see) the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

All Elect believers will "see" the Abomination of Desolation. This is true because all the Elect (after receiving the Early Rain of the Spirit) will "fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken" by Satan via the spirit of anti-Christ. If a believer does not "see" the Abomination of Desolation before they die, they are not one of the Elect and have not been converted.

Joe

 

[covenantee]

Dear Stewardofthemystery,
Your understanding of the Abomination of Desolation is carnal and not spiritual.

Christ teaches His truth of the New Covenant using His spiritual language. For those teachings of the New Covenant to be understood, they MUST be applied "within" a person. That is where the spiritual takes place - between the ears so to speak.

Under the New Covenant, the individual becomes the Temple of God when Christ gives the person the Early Rain of the Spirit. It is only the Old Covenant teachings which apply to a literal, physical temple. In Christ's New Covenant teachings, the physical temple is a "type" for the spiritual temple. The spiritual temple is a believer who has the Holy Spirit indwelling them.

1Cor 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

In Christ's end-time teachings, the phrase "signs of the times" represents the spiritual events that will occur within His Elect. You should not be thinking of those events has happening out in the world. When the "end" comes upon an Elect person, it is their moment of conversion/salvation.

1Cor 10:11 Now all these things happened to them as types, and have been written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the ages are come.

And because the end-time teachings apply to all the Elect, those end-time teachings are reoccurring events that happen within the lives of each of the Elect. At the time John received the vision, those end-time events had already occurred within the Elect who had already been converted, and those same events where presently occurring within the Elect who were in the process of being converted, and those same events will continue to occur within the remaining Elect until this present age ends.

Rev 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for THE TIME IS AT HAND. 4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne...

Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Rev 4:8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.

If those events are one-time outward events as you believe, how can all the Elect "keep those things written therein" so that they are blessed?

The Elect's blessing occurs only when they are converted and have entered the Kingdom of Heaven.

The pathway to salvation which Christ causes all His Elect to travel to the "end" (conversion) is what the end-time prophecies and the book of Revelation are teaching. That is why the Elect will "keep the sayings of the prophecy" and why the prophecy says that Christ will come "quickly". Christ will come quickly to each of the Elect before they physically die.

Rev 22:7 Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.

After the last Elect person is converted in this age, Daniel's Seventy Weeks prophecy will be complete.

Dan 9:27 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people (OT Faithful) and upon thy holy city (New Jerusalem/the Elect/Bride), to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Since all new believers (babes) will remain spiritually blind after receiving the Early Rain of the Spirit, they will all "fall backward, and be broken, and snared and taken" by Satan via the spirit of anti-Christ.

Isa 28:9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk (the Converted Elect), and drawn from the breasts. 10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: 11 For with stammering lips and another language (spiritual language) will he speak to this people. 12 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken (by Satan).

When the spirit of anti-Christ enters a new believer (God's Temple), the Abomination of Desolation will occur within them. Since this happens to all the Elect, this is one of the reoccurring "signs of the times" that Christ mentions below:

Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see (not "if" you see) the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

All Elect believers will "see" the Abomination of Desolation. This is true because all the Elect (after receiving the Early Rain of the Spirit) will "fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken" by Satan via the spirit of anti-Christ. If a believer does not "see" the Abomination of Desolation before they die, they are not one of the Elect and have not been converted.

Joe

Luke 21:20 identifies the abomination of desolation as the Roman armies (an abomination to the Jews) who would wreak desolation upon Jerusalem. They did, in 70 AD.

All of the Judaean Christians recognized the abomination of desolation and fled prior to 70 AD, preserving their lives.

All historical.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Dear Stewardofthemystery,
Your understanding of the Abomination of Desolation is carnal and not spiritual.

Christ teaches His truth of the New Covenant using His spiritual language. For those teachings of the New Covenant to be understood, they MUST be applied "within" a person. That is where the spiritual takes place - between the ears so to speak.

Under the New Covenant, the individual becomes the Temple of God when Christ gives the person the Early Rain of the Spirit. It is only the Old Covenant teachings which apply to a literal, physical temple. In Christ's New Covenant teachings, the physical temple is a "type" for the spiritual temple. The spiritual temple is a believer who has the Holy Spirit indwelling them.

1Cor 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

In Christ's end-time teachings, the phrase "signs of the times" represents the spiritual events that will occur within His Elect. You should not be thinking of those events has happening out in the world. When the "end" comes upon an Elect person, it is their moment of conversion/salvation.

1Cor 10:11 Now all these things happened to them as types, and have been written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the ages are come.

And because the end-time teachings apply to all the Elect, those end-time teachings are reoccurring events that happen within the lives of each of the Elect. At the time John received the vision, those end-time events had already occurred within the Elect who had already been converted, and those same events where presently occurring within the Elect who were in the process of being converted, and those same events will continue to occur within the remaining Elect until this present age ends.

Rev 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for THE TIME IS AT HAND. 4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne...

Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Rev 4:8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.

If those events are one-time outward events as you believe, how can all the Elect "keep those things written therein" so that they are blessed?

The Elect's blessing occurs only when they are converted and have entered the Kingdom of Heaven.

The pathway to salvation which Christ causes all His Elect to travel to the "end" (conversion) is what the end-time prophecies and the book of Revelation are teaching. That is why the Elect will "keep the sayings of the prophecy" and why the prophecy says that Christ will come "quickly". Christ will come quickly to each of the Elect before they physically die.

Rev 22:7 Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.

After the last Elect person is converted in this age, Daniel's Seventy Weeks prophecy will be complete.

Dan 9:27 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people (OT Faithful) and upon thy holy city (New Jerusalem/the Elect/Bride), to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Since all new believers (babes) will remain spiritually blind after receiving the Early Rain of the Spirit, they will all "fall backward, and be broken, and snared and taken" by Satan via the spirit of anti-Christ.

Isa 28:9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk (the Converted Elect), and drawn from the breasts. 10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: 11 For with stammering lips and another language (spiritual language) will he speak to this people. 12 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken (by Satan).

When the spirit of anti-Christ enters a new believer (God's Temple), the Abomination of Desolation will occur within them. Since this happens to all the Elect, this is one of the reoccurring "signs of the times" that Christ mentions below:

Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see (not "if" you see) the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

All Elect believers will "see" the Abomination of Desolation. This is true because all the Elect (after receiving the Early Rain of the Spirit) will "fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken" by Satan via the spirit of anti-Christ. If a believer does not "see" the Abomination of Desolation before they die, they are not one of the Elect and have not been converted.

Joe

The AOD had to do with the destruction of the brick and mortar Temple Jesus and the apostles were looking at with their OWN EYES. This prophecy was fulfilled in 70 ad.

You need to learn to rightly divide between what is Natural and what is Spiritual.

 

[tailgator]

Thanks for confirming the dispen mentality.

Incapable, like the Pharisees, of understanding a simple illustration.

No,you was just wrong as usual.

You reject the word of God and teach other people to reject it.You don't believe God keeps his promises and breaks his words.
You openly say God does not keep his promises.

You are closer to a Pharisee than I will ever be.

 

[covenantee]

No,you was just wrong as usual.

You reject the word of God and teach other people to reject it.You don't believe God keeps his promises and breaks his words.
You openly say God does not keep his promises.

You are closer to a Pharisee than I will ever be.

Silver instead of gold.

Just like the Pharisees.

 

[FaithWillDo]

Luke 21:20 identifies the abomination of desolation as the Roman armies (an abomination to the Jews) who would wreak desolation upon Jerusalem. They did, in 70 AD.

All of the Judaean Christians recognized the abomination of desolation and fled prior to 70 AD, preserving their lives.

All historical.

Dear covenantee,
Yes, that is all historical but it was not the Abomination of Desolation which Christ and Daniel taught about. Your understanding is a carnal. The New Covenant teachings are spiritual. You need to transition from the Old Covenant mindset to the New Covenant mindset. The Old Covenant is outward and physical. The New Covenant is spiritual and within. T

To understand the New Covenant teachings, Christ must heal one's spiritual blindness. Understanding can come no other way.

Spiritual blindness is the same blindness that Paul "typed" on the Damascus Road after he was given the Early Rain of the Spirit. Paul's blindness was healed only when he received the Latter Rain of the Spirit (the baptism of the Spirit). Only then was Paul able to eat "meat". Before that time, Paul could not eat or drink the truth of the New Covenant.

Joe

 

[covenantee]

Dear covenantee,
Yes, that is all historical but it was not the Abomination of Desolation which Christ and Daniel taught about. Your understanding is a carnal. The New Covenant teachings are spiritual. You need to transition from the Old Covenant mindset to the New Covenant mindset. The Old Covenant is outward and physical. The New Covenant is spiritual and within. T

To understand the New Covenant teachings, Christ must heal one's spiritual blindness. Understanding can come no other way.

Spiritual blindness is the same blindness that Paul "typed" on the Damascus Road after he was given the Early Rain of the Spirit. Paul's blindness was healed only when he received the Latter Rain of the Spirit (the baptism of the Spirit). Only then was Paul able to eat "meat". Before that time, Paul could not eat or drink the truth of the New Covenant.

Joe

My understanding is the same as the understanding of the Judaean Christians, who fled the abomination of desolation.

Was their understanding carnal?

 

[FaithWillDo]

The AOD had to do with the destruction of the brick and mortar Temple Jesus and the apostles were looking at with their OWN EYES. This prophecy was fulfilled in 70 ad.

You need to learn to rightly divide between what is Natural and what is Spiritual.

Dear Stewardofthemystery,
Yes, their own eyes could see the Temple. But in Christ's spiritual language, the physical is a "type" which represents the spiritual that is fulfilled under the New Covenant. Under the New Covenant, the believer is the temple of God. You need to transition from the Old Covenant way of understanding to the New Covenant way of understanding.

You need your spiritual blindness healed by Christ. He is the healer of the blind.

Joe