WHAT DOES IT MEAN WIVES ARE TO BE OBEDIENT TO THEIR HUSBANDS?

[MA2444]

And just because I've had some bad experiences with men does NOT mean that I view ALL men through a negative lens. I don't.

I'm not sure what happened then because when you speak on the forum about men, it very much comes across like you speak from a negative lens.

 

[MA2444]

What in the world are you talking about? I'm not losing my temper. Simply telling you that not all men have the heart of Christ.

Maybe so but when you speak to men here whom you have never met before so they have never done you wrong, you speak accusing them of being satanists and not following God. So why is that?

Your right, all men do not have the heart of Christ. We know that, so big deal/ Many bad ones are out there, be careful! You're not supposed to write from the emotions of the moment. Be bigger than that!

 

[TLHKAJ]

Now I'm not doubting that you girls went through some evil situations with men. But dont let that bad experience with a minority of men affect your thinking and judgment and diligently guard your heart or you are the one it hurts in the long run.

I read comments here on this forum by men, including you, that only confirm that it is not a minority of men who treat women as if they are property rather than something of immense value. Eve was created as a help meet because it wasn't good that man be alone. Most men are too full kf themselves to see that their wife has anything of value to offer.

Let me give you a story.... not anything life or death, but ones that represent a scenario most women can relate to.

We purchased a home (with a mortgage) 6 years ago. At the time, we had 2 storage units we were paying monthly on. I suggested that we should get a storage building to put on our land and empty those 2 storage units so that our monthly payment would be going toward paying off something that was ours, and also raise property value. He was against it. (Why? I do not know. He never gave a solid reason, just that he didn't think it was a good idea.)

Fast forward to 4 and a half years later, he up and says we should get a portable building and empty our other storage ...blah, blah ... same thing I suggested from the get-go, only now it his idea. (lol) I mentioned to him, "That's what I was wanting to do back when we first bought the house." He then claims that he wanted to buy one back then too ....when actually, that was not true. If he wanted to back then, we'd had it at a cheaper price, and it would've been paid off already. But since we waited, it now cost twice as much ..... covid prices.

Why is it that men struggle to listen just because it is a woman who suggests a thing?

Again... when we first bought the home, I suggested we put up a fence around the yard to keep the neighbors and their dogs out of our yard, as we were having constant intruders and neighbors' dogs harassing our dogs, eating the food we put out for our dogs, etc. His response... "If we put up a fence, our neighbors will think we don't like them." So ....we have no fence, we have intruders (yard and home), and dogs all the time which resulted in major stress for me since I am left alone 99% of the time to deal with these things on my own. We have had to pay probably $1,200+ in new leashes, new collars, new tie-outs for our 2 dogs who have to live on leashes rather than run free on over an acre, because our town has a leash ordinance (that 75% of the town doesn't abide by). AND ...we have had to feed 3 litters of puppies because ....we don't have a fence and the neighbors don't keep their dogs home. To this day, we have well paid for a fence with all of the broken leashes and collars and tie-outs we've had to replace (bc my big dog breaks his leash to chase off intruders on a regular basis). The only reason I can come up with to justify not putting up a fence is that it's not his idea .....but there are other reasons much deeper than that.

Why are men like this? I guarantee any of your wives (men who have commented on this thread) have at least a dozen similar examples of their husband's bullheadedness and egotistical ways costing them lots of stress and money just because they have to be the one in 100% control rather than simply seeing the value in the input of their wife.

Pray about it. I guarantee many of you men do this and have done it over and over. You've programmed yourself to disregard your wife and the value of her input to nurse your own ego. Humility is a thing. Why not walk in it? And why not actually listen to wisdom that comes through your wife? That's why God placed her in your life. She is there to help you.

 

[MA2444]

Would a husband ask himself the same question? What means more to my husband, his wife or his job?

You didnt answer the question. You asked two questions.

Will you answer my question or not?

Would a husband ask himself the same question? What means more to my husband, his wife or his job?

Would Jesus hold my husband's employment higher than me, his wife?

Or maybe a better question is, What Would Jesus Do?

You repeated the question but did not answer it.

What would Jesus do?!

 

[Wrangler]

First of all, we're not "girls." We're WOMEN.

Not in practice. You don't speak like a grown human female who has taken responsibility of all aspects of her life. You still talk like an immature, self-important, entitled girl who is hopelessly spoiled. You know spoiled? Worthless. Useless.

I'm reminded of a vid where Denzel Washington credits his wife with his life. The vid explained feminists want all men to think of the woman in their life this way but they don't want to make the sacrifice, do the work or show the loyalty Denzel's wife did during his darkest hour.

It did not surprise me that @MA2444 called you what you show up as. NOTE: He never calls Wynona that because even though she is far younger than you, she is far more responsible and her posts reflect a woman of God, who has the humble heart of Christ. See the difference? So, that blows your misogyny claims out of the water.

Wynona admitted her husband was far from perfect at the beginning. Feminists want the perfect man to start. Wynonna explained she felt called to invest in this man. And oh my, has it paid dividends for her! He grew into the role God has ordained for him because of her love and feminine influence. I'm so happy for her and feel so sad that you reject Biblical principles, such as this threads OP, where feminism is concerned. You reap what you sow.

 

[MA2444]

I read comments here on this forum by men, including you, that only confirm that it is not a minority of men who treat women as if they are property rather than something of immense value. Eve was created as a help meet because it wasn't good that man be alone. Most men are too full kf themselves to see that their wife has anything of value to offer.

Let me give you a story.... not anything life or death, but ones that represent a scenario most women can relate to.

We purchased a home (with a mortgage) 6 years ago. At the time, we had 2 storage units we were paying monthly on. I suggested that we should get a storage building to put on our land and empty those 2 storage units so that our monthly payment would be going toward paying off something that was ours, and also raise property value. He was against it. (Why? I do not know. He never gave a solid reason, just that he didn't think it was a good idea.)

Fast forward to 4 and a half years later, he up and says we should get a portable building and empty our other storage ...blah, blah ... same thing I suggested from the get-go, only now it his idea. (lol) I mentioned to him, "That's what I was wanting to do back when we first bought the house." He then claims that he wanted to buy one back then too ....when actually, that was not true. If he wanted to back then, we'd had it at a cheaper price, and it would've been paid off already. But since we waited, it now cost twice as much ..... covid prices.

Why is it that men struggle to listen just because it is a woman who suggests a thing?

Again... when we first bought the home, I suggested we put up a fence around the yard to keep the neighbors and their dogs out of our yard, as we were having constant intruders and neighbors' dogs harassing our dogs, eating the food we put out for our dogs, etc. His response... "If we put up a fence, our neighbors will think we don't like them." So ....we have no fence, we have intruders (yard and home), and dogs all the time which resulted in major stress for me since I am left alone 99% of the time to deal with these things on my own. We have had to pay probably $1,200+ in new leashes, new collars, new tie-outs for our 2 dogs who have to live on leashes rather than run free on over an acre, because our town has a leash ordinance (that 75% of the town doesn't abide by). AND ...we have had to feed 3 litters of puppies because ....we don't have a fence and the neighbors don't keep their dogs home. To this day, we have well paid for a fence with all of the broken leashes and collars and tie-outs we've had to replace (bc my big dog breaks his leash to chase off intruders on a regular basis). The only reason I can come up with to justify not putting up a fence is that it's not his idea .....but there are other reasons much deeper than that.

Why are men like this? I guarantee any of your wives (men who have commented on this thread) have at least a dozen similar examples of their husband's bullheadedness and egotistical ways costing them lots of stress and money just because they have to be the one in 100% control rather than simply seeing the value in the input of their wife.

Pray about it. I guarantee many of you men do this and have done it over and over. You've programmed yourself to disregard your wife and the value of her input to nurse your own ego. Humility is a thing. Why not walk in it? And why not actually listen to wisdom that comes through your wife? That's why God placed her in your life. She is there to help you.

Maybe get a boy dog next time? Lol!

I myself personally did not program myself to ignore my wife. She got good ideas and everything she touched turned to gold! I wasn't that dumb, lol. It doesnt mean that everything ever out of her mouth was right or law though. Get real. I knew the proper times to disregard what she says and when not to. Some girls are smarter than others. I can prove it too, she was in on one of the biggest decisions of my life before.

You see, I had just got laid off two weeks into January during the slow season and I was only a 4 year tech so I was one of the first to go. And we were looking for a house to purchase at the time! But that's ok the slow season will be over with tax time and in buying a houses terms I had plent of time to get another job and establish cash flow again. But after I got laid off this time, I signed up to take the Contractors test. I was only 4 years experience so I knew I would not pass it yet, but it would give me my score and I could judge where I'm at with being able to go in business. The test was only @20 back then. I am a good taker and have a good technique when approaching a test.

I smoked that Contractors test! I got a 93 on it! I could go in business!
Uh-oh that takes money. I could do it on a show string but we were looking for a house! What would she think? What would she say? It would taake our house money to go in business and I knew she wanted that house! I was in a predicament. How do I tell her we'll buy a house later but go into business now? Yikes!

I was still chewing on it one day and I hadnt said anything to her yet about stopping looking for a house to go in business. And she came in to talk to me and she said she's been thinking about it and we needed that money to buy insurance and advertising with so we should put off looking for a house and go in business first!

Just like that! She suggested it to me! She solved my predicament for me! It made more sense to establish the business so that's what we did. I would not dare to have gone to her and said, no more house tough tittie. It wasnt like that with us. And I wasnt even walking with the Lord!

So arent you the one who was calling us men in this thread satanists and stuff? You are wrong. It isnt always like that and even if 90% of the world goes evil, this is the path that the Lord has set before you. So will you rise to the challenge or rise against men?

Bitterness must not interfere with our thinking, let it go. That's those men, not you, not me not Wrangler. From the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. So to call men you have never even met satanists is damaging to your own heart, obviously.

Scripture says if you forgive those who wronged you, you will not be forgiven. Isnt that important to you?

 

[Wrangler]

Most men are too full kf themselves to see that their wife has anything of value to offer.

Yea, I always make lifetime commitments to people who have nothing to offer.

 

[MA2444]

We purchased a home (with a mortgage) 6 years ago. At the time, we had 2 storage units we were paying monthly on. I suggested that we should get a storage building to put on our land and empty those 2 storage units so that our monthly payment would be going toward paying off something that was ours, and also raise property value. He was against it. (Why? I do not know. He never gave a solid reason, just that he didn't think it was a good idea.)

So he didnt think it was wise financially at the time. Big deal. Does it have to be about you? Later he thought it was a good idea so maybe he should have listened to you back then. Why does it have to be your idea? He wasnt putting you down or anything, he just didnt think it was right at the time. Sure you knew way back when it was headed that direction! Good for you! More foresight than him. SO why wouldnt you want to help him with that skill rather than beat on him and say you know it my idea first! That's a little comical, lol.

I got a storage story for you too, lol. We was about to go in business and (She said!) hey Ed you going to need a storage unit for the business to keep all your junk in. We were living in a small duplex with no garage there so...she was right! And I ran out of a storage unit for two more years? Something like that. Eventually I had the phone call...your storage unit was broken into last night along with a lot of others. Come down and see what's missing so it can be listed stolen.

They had cut the lock off it. I bought a big bad arsed padlock for it cuz that was my treasure, my livelihood! Right?
I got dowm there and they went out to my unit with me and I rolled up the door and saw...a mess. It was my shop! Used water heaters and boxes vent pipe on the floor. General clutter but my shop that enabled me to work! The thieves didnt take one little thing out of mine. They cut the lock off, rolled the door up, and said, Huh-uh and closed the door again! One mans trash is another mans treasure! I unloaded there every night after working. Cleaning out the truck for tomorrows work, had to!. But I just stuff willy nilly in there. Too tired to go in and clean it up, lol.

But it wasnt my Wife's fault because it was her idea. That would sure make me look stupid to say that was her fault. It had to be my fault more because I made them think there were lots of good valuables in there by the grade of padlock I used. That unit was just screaming break into me first! She had a good idea, but let's not overthink it like that. So what that it was your idea first to get a storage unit. Great idea, but...inconsequential. Not worth bringing up and arguing about it.
The first rule of marriage relationship is, Don't sweat the Small stuff!

Wouldnt that be better?

 

[Mink57]

@Mink57 I got two stories about this!

At one place I worked before I went into business for myself I worked at a P&H company that had two bosses. One working boss and one straw boss. I came in late to work one morning and straw boss started laying into me for being late and working boss looks at him and says why dont you leave him alone? Don't you see it is pouring outside so the man prolly was taking the kids to school being a good dad? Give him a break!

Ooooo, I'm liking this already! I have a similar story, but I'll let you finish first!

That's exactly why I was late. So I had one smart boss and one clueless boss, lol. I didnt even say anything and neither did straw boss. It just got, dropped! Now these two bosses were not married and not homo's. But they had a similar type relationship. Starw boss was subservient to working boss sort of how a wife is to the Husband. Working boss was the actual owner of the place but let straw boss run things for the most part. Working boss would overrule straw boss from time to time...and straw boss demonstrated just stepping down to the owner. As a wife would to the husband on occasions.

On occasions. Key phrase. I DO understand what you're saying though. So cool of the smart boss to stand up for you!

Another story. After I let my wife move us to Ft. Collins Colorado so she could live closer to her parents which lived there, we were back in C. Springs after it didnt work out financially. Oh I got a good paying job but I had all sorts of people calling me from C. Springs, Hey Ed can you come down this weekend and do some work for me? I had customers in C. Springs. But I figured if I can work in C. Springs and do ok, then we can do it in Ft. Collins. So yes honey we can move to Ft Collins. Just tryong to give her what she wants that will make her happy.

O.k. I'm with you so far...

It did not work out. Too much extra gas money running back n forth and just, not the same. So I said we're moving back to C. Springs. And she said the funniest thing. She said you work for the Devil and not God, you might as well tie me up in the basement!! Boo hoo hoo....Not Really! Lol! She really said, I think you're right Ed, I'll trust your judgment.. I had wondered if I would meet resistance from her because, well, family is family. But when she said I trust your judgment I knew I had married the right girl!

OMG!!! You had me going there for a moment! My first thought was, "Oh, no she didn't!" Had she literally said that to you, I would have been upset...with HER.

So we moved back to C. Springs and I got a job right off with the biggest company in town, they always need guys and I was a good tech. IIRC they had 14 service trucks on the road, not including installers. It had 3 bosses. 2 Owners (Brothers) and one straw boss. One brother went away to college for Business management while the other brother built up his business. That guy was a Master Plumber and a good one. But he isnt as smart as his older brother but he ws smart enough to build up the largest company in town! And this business was getting too big for him to know how to manage! They was so busy that I knew they needed yet another office girl and I heard the talking about hiring another girl for the office so I walked in and said, ok, I.m gonna do you favor RJ (Working boss), I'll let you hire my wife because she ran our office before we moved to Ft. Collins. And RJ liked that idea and so she applied and they hired her.

WOW! What a stroke of luck getting that job!! And they hired her, too!

Now anything that girl touches, turns to gold, lol. So she started working there and caught the office up on everything and was real sweet on the phone with customers. So she was working out good.

Then College fed big brother showed up and was going to help his brother make that company more profitable. The first thing they did was to fire 9 of the top techs, me included. A man who shall remain nameless sat in on that conversation that they had when that decision was made. They said, get rid of the top 9 highest paid guys to cut down the overhead and hire a bunch of guys from the tech college at a lower wage. Even if there is more call backs it will still be cheaper than keeping 9 top paid techs on the payroll! So I lost my job there. They called 9 of us in there and let all of us go. How crummy can you get?!

Ugh...and some people wonder WHY I don't like 'business'.

I hadnt even finished packing up my stuff out of my locker and truck when my wife walks in and says she heard what happened. And she walked right into the bosses office and said she is quitting! And they said, no this doesnt affect you, we need you.

I can see that...

You see when she had some slow time with not much to do, she would go to the accounts receivable drawer and call people who had unpaid bills. Hi this is the company that fixed or installed your furnace and is it doing ok for you or has there been more problems? Oh the furnace is working fine, thanks....Ok since everything is doing good can we get paid for the work? !!! And she collected more than $100,000 in accounts receivables that were past due in like, the first two months that she was there! No one told her to do it, she just did it because she knows how! So they were more than extremely happy with her as an employee! My boss told me at one point that he owes me a bottly wine for that favor I did for him! Like I suggested, lol. (I never did get any wine!) but he said it.

I was the same way when I was working.

And they argued up and down with her to stay and work for them. She said fine, give my husband his job back...And they said they cant do that, a decision was reached blah blah blah. So she said, Bye!

And left at the same time I did. I dint ask her to do that. But she had more loyalty to me than to the stinking job, and that just made me feel so proud of her. I was making $20 an hour at that place and she was making $18 so we was making pretty good money until she walked out! And that, is worth more than money.

That's not her being a slave or utterly controlled. I didnt say she had to quit when they fired me. But because she did...it touched my heart and made me think to do something very special for her standing with me, instead of a job.

Wow. Such a nice story....

It isnt men being tyrant slave owners or satanists like some short sighted ones have suggested. It's about the woman knew her place beside me and it was the right thing to do is to side with her Husband and not her paycheck. That's code talk for subservient. That's all it was. That is something in her. In her heart. She had the greatest attitude towards what we were building within our marriage and me when we were working together and we had something. Because of that specific female. I stood down to her when she was right or had a good idea, but I held the option of over ruling her which I wound up not doing very much because she was smart and had a good heart.

Therein lies the rub. Some men (including my late husband) don't see women in general as being smart or capable, or as having more knowledge in certain areas than a man...ANY man...has.

I think you already said you would keep the job and refuse the husband so I wont ask you what you would do in that instance. But you throw those words of cursing upon the men so much that...you make me wonder if there is any hope for you? Like Wrangler said, is it confusion or full blindness?

No, I said I would keep the job and refuse that particular husband.

You gotta be all in or it dont work. You can't expect for a man to be all in, when you are not and continually oppose him.

He can't expect me to be all in either, if his idea is that it's HIS way or the HIGHWAY.

Right now, your attitude is kind of confusing me. On one hand it's, "Woman must submit!" On the other, you seem to let HER take the reins....

 

[Mink57]

What Bible verse says that of a wife toward her husband?

If you had wisdom, you wouldn't be asking that question.

 

[MA2444]

Why is it that men struggle to listen just because it is a woman who suggests a thing?

It's automatic because most women think we are mind readers and many say very much illogical things. Not all ideas which come from women are good ideas. Plus if she is a chatterbox, (code talk for always talking and wont shut up) it gets annoying at times.
What is she really saying? What does she really want?
having an idea and sharing it with the husband would not be ignored as much if she didnt make such a big thing out of something small by incessantly talking about it like a score keeper. Score keepers are no fun. Everything's a deal. (Yes I got the T-Shirt).

Honestly as a man talking to girl I've never met before say, there are good times to not listen to a woman and times that we should listen. She's the other half of this, what is happening so she plays that role. I did both during my marriage. What's wrong with that?

Let's face it as men and women. There are some very bad women out there for a zillion reasons and the same is true for men. But what are you doing? Oh building a marriage and family! So each has half to bring to the table to create a completeness. This marriage thing is a type and shadow on earth of man's relationship with our Lord and Creator. So if you are married I believe you should approach that marriage in the same way that you can envision approaching the Lord in Heaven. How will He treat you?! He already died for you once! Is that enough proof that He is good to you and will be?

So how will you act towards Him in heaven? You are who you are, and Jesus likes you just the way you are. So will you nit pick Jesus the way you nit pick your husband?

Excuse me Jesus but that was my idea?

Now of course I am lightly joking with you but is it a good point? Should we/could we start practicing now how to walk and speak with more respect in general? I think it's a good idea for us all, even me!

 

[MA2444]

On occasions. Key phrase. I DO understand what you're saying though. So cool of the smart boss to stand up for you!

That was the same boss who didnt have a truck for me yet, but they were wanting to have a Heating department and he was only a Master Plumber. That was supposed to be me (a two year tech! Lol) But I was at that age that I knew everything so I said heck yeah I can do it. But he had no truck to put me in so he let me use an extra car of his, a Ranchero which is like working out of a pickup truck. But he liked that car and it was a nice example of it and when he gave it to me to drive for work he said you blow up that motor and your fired! Same guy. We just didnt know each other yet. He was my boss but he was my friend too. A smart boss will be your friend. I never did mess up his car any, lol. I was careful.

 

[Webers_Home]

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● Eph 5:33b . . The wife must respect her husband.

The Greek verb for respect essentially refers to "fright" and is used just that
way in numerous places throughout the New Testament.

Some translate it "reverence" defined by Webster's as honor or respect; felt
or shown; which means that wives don't especially have to like their
husbands nor have to admire them. An attitude of respect will do in lieu of
felt respect. In other words: the Christian wife would do well to stifle the
disgust she feels for her husband and make an effort to be civil. (Matt 5:43
48, Luke 6:31-33)

I overheard a female caller on radio imperiously announcing to Dr. Laura
that she couldn't respect her husband. So Dr. Laura asked her why. The
caller responded: Because he doesn't deserve it. So Laura asked the caller:
Have you earned your husband's love? The caller retorted: I don't have to
deserve his love. It's a husband's duty to love his wife just as she is.

So Laura pointed out that the caller was practicing a double standard. She
demanded that her husband love her unconditionally, while refusing to
respect him unconditionally. And on top of that; had the chutzpah to dictate
the rules of engagement regardless of how her husband might feel about it;
thus making herself not only impossible to like, but also quite difficult to live
with.
_

 

[TLHKAJ]

So he didnt think it was wise financially at the time. Big deal. Does it have to be about you?

You assume a lot. Doing the math, which I showed him ...we would have cut our monthly payments in half. So ...you think that's a bad financial decision?? lol You're going through a lot of twisty turns to try to discredit me just because I'm a woman.

It wasn't about me, mister ego. It was about seeing him work his tail off and trying to manage the finances better so he can retire sooner. You're painting me as evil because you dislike me. You assume a lot of things that are totally off base. You're accusing a woman who for years and years submitted to a man who NEVER stood for her and the children against unsafe people. By "unsafe" I mean people who used scripture and "God" to justify and hide behind actual cult/satanic ritual abuse ....a man who, when I said we needed to break free, chose THEM over his wife and family.
You're talking to a woman who taught her children to take care of the home (picking up their toys, messes, etc) before daddy got home because it was how we show our gratitude to God, and our appreciation for their dad's hard work by not having him come home to a messy house. Instead, toys were picked up, school work was done (homeschool), and the meal was warm and ready to eat.

You're accusing a woman who has stood by her husband and prayed, and prayed, and prayed ...encouraged, encouraged, encouraged ...and waited, and waited, and waited ...for him to stand alongside his wife against the cult ...for the sake of our children and grandchildren. I have stayed because I don't take my marriage vows lightly. And I still suffer punishments from the cult because my husband is a safety breach. He allows them access to me. Okay? So .... your accusation of "it's all about you" is 100% wrong. I have taken the brunt of punishments bc of his refusal to simply choose to trust God over his fear of man.

You have judged me extremely wrong.

AND ... I didn't call you a satanist.

 

[MA2444]

Wow. Such a nice story....

They continued to call her almost every day for two months they wanted her back so much. When she was my secretary she got to speak to a lot of other guys with companies because I knew them all and we trade certain work back and forth. And two times she got phone calls about does she want a new job working for more money in their office?! They didn't know it was my wife, they heard heard how she is with people, and she did have excellent phone skills. Twice they tried to hire her away, lol! She was that good.

 

[Mink57]

Well what do you expect? We're in the last days and evil is rampant. So be as wise as serpents and harmless as doves. So are you saying that men have broken your spirit? That it makes it impossible for you to have an respect towards men in your speech?

Why do you keep doing this? I never said that "men" have broken my spirit! I'm not speaking about ALL men. But I HAVE had a number of unhappy experiences with men. Once I opted out of the whole relationship arena (10+ years ago), it's like I wore a beacon over my head! Some of these guys didn't even care how old I was (twice their age, in some cases!). Even had the experience IN CHURCH one day, of a man sitting next to me before services started, grabbing my hand and telling me, "God said that you and I are meant to be together." Sorry, but how dare he touch a woman who he doesn't even know! I told him, "God didn't tell ME any such thing." I got up and left. Went into the ladies room. A friend of mine followed me into the ladies room and asked me what happened. She went back out to the church and kept her eye on the guy. I was in the ladies room for about 15 minutes before she came back and told me he finally left.

But it's encounters like that that's got me a bit burned out. I don't see all men as predatory leches, but it doesn't have to be ALL.

Only has to be enough.

I thought that with God all things are possible? I thought all things have become new? Then your job is to enforce the victory that Jesus has already won until He comes for you. Right?

When Jesus was on the cross, He looked down at the guys who had nailed him to that cross and said...Father forgive them for they know not what they do...He didn't curse them! Why not? Aren't you supposed to walk in the character of Jesus? To overcome your flesh?

Have you ever tried to forgive those men that harmed you or did you wrong?

I have. But that doesn't mean that I shouldn't tell my story. Or that I can't empathize with others who've had similar experiences.

 

[Mink57]

LOL. Here, you turn your burden to submit to your husband around.

It is easy for men to submit to their wives. I do it all the time and it is easier for me to submit to her 90% of the time than it is for her to submit to me 10% of the time. EGO.

So you ADMIT that you DO in fact, submit TO ONE ANOTHER.

That's a lot different than what you're explaining.

 

[TLHKAJ]

I have stayed because I don't take my marriage vows lightly. And I still suffer punishments from the cult because my husband is a safety breach. He allows them access to me. Okay? So .... your accusation of "it's all about you" is 100% wrong. I have taken the brunt of punishments bc of his refusal to simply choose to trust God over his fear of man.

To clarify .....I stayed in the marriage, but I did separate myself from him for 6 years to protect the children and grandbaby on the way when the cult threatened to shoot my daughter in the stomach and kill both her and her children (twins) she was carrying. My husband's words when I was leaving ..."What if they see you and the kids are gone and come after ME?!" This is total fear. I was told not to leave bc we were being watched... they would kill us all. But I wasn't going to sit and wait. I left. And I cared for the children. My daughter had been raped by one sent by the cult ...except when they found out it wasn't the man they wanted to father her child, they threatened to kill the baby/babies. What do you do if it's your children and your grandbabies in danger? Who do you stand with??

Don't tell me "it's all about you" ....I have fought for the freedom of not only myself, but my husband and my children ....but he must choose for himself to trust God. My first loyalty and responsibility is to GOD!

 

[TLHKAJ]

and grandbaby on the way

So I don't get accused of a discrepancy ...my daughter was pregnant with twins, but due to extremely stressful circumstances, she miscarried one of the babies.

Incidentally, my daughter is a twin as well. We didn't come home with both babies ....one was taken by the cult. I don't know if she is dead or alive. I think she is alive... I pray for her protection and freedom...

 

[Mink57]

Maybe so but when you speak to men here whom you have never met before so they have never done you wrong, you speak accusing them of being satanists and not following God. So why is that?

That's not fair. I've never accused a man or "men" of being "satanists." Don't put words in my mouth, MA.

Your right, all men do not have the heart of Christ. We know that, so big deal/ Many bad ones are out there, be careful! You're not supposed to write from the emotions of the moment. Be bigger than that!

That's the POINT though, MA. There ARE many bad ones out there!! Unfortunately, too many women are as I WAS.

If I go on a date with someone, and discover during dinner that he's MARRIED, do I "forgive" him? How about if he's a HEAVY drug user? Or a DRUNK? Or Bisexual? Or a cheater? Or a lying sack of you-know-what? Or who has an incurable STD?

Is there a point where forgiveness...like love...simply isn't enough?