WHAT DOES IT MEAN WIVES ARE TO BE OBEDIENT TO THEIR HUSBANDS?
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You have failed .....actually, refused ...to take ALL of scripture as a whole. That is what spiritual abusers (ie, cult leaders) do to control people. No thank you. I am not obligated to reply further to you seeing that you have no interest in receiving truth or walking in it.
Lambano
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"But Lord, what about this woman? Should she submit to her husband?"
Whoever has ears to hear, let 'em hear.
Whoever has ears to hear, let 'em hear.
Wrangler
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Nice try to equate unrelated passages. Peter’s fate has nothing to do with John’s fate. Not the case in the topic under discussion. As @MA2444 shared, her happiness and even life hang in the balance and far more importantly, his family, as a whole. Discernment."But Lord, what about this woman? How should she submit to her husband?"
Whoever has ears to hear, let 'em hear.
Not about toward men....//
It's about men who DON'T FOLLOW CHRIST......
...Which you don't
MA2444
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That's messed up how these girls curse men every day from their mouth! That makes the bitterness in their hearts grow stronger. These girls don't realize the profound effects that they bring forth with their words and how that affects their heart.
Is it not written in scripture that:
Proverbs 18:
21 Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof..../KJV
And the NLT says it even more clear!
21 The tongue can bring death or life;
those who love to talk will reap the consequences..../NLT
So our very words that we speak every day can literally bring Curses or Blessings upon all people, including those who speak the words which curse others, men...will reap the consequences. Can you grasp the ramifications of that? It damages their own heart and soul to speak curses upon people. I would suggest to the girls to ponder that over and try to understand that...it is the truth! As sons and daughters of Christ, we all have the spiritual responsibility to at least...Love God with all our our heart, and to love our neighbor as we love ourself! If you spend 2 hours a day bashing men on the internet, then God doesn't get your whole heart, does He? And while your speaking curses into the air unto men...how can you you even love any man, notwithstanding as yourself?!
So if you realize that talking men down is wrong, you need to speak words which will cancel all of the bad things and repent for it to God.
Remember in scripture when Peter denied Christ 3 times?! (Luke 22) He spoke those words to those people. Three times he spoke them, I dont know Him...
Then in John 21:15-17
15 So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs.
16 He saith to him again the second time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my sheep.
17 He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep..../KJV
Jesus asked Peter three times if He loves Him. What was that all about? Even Peter didn't know, he started getting annoyed! But put it together, this was pretty soon after Peter had denied Him three times. I think Jesus wanted to make Peter say he loves Him three times to counter the denial of three times! It makes perfect sense.
Now I'm not doubting that you girls went through some evil situations with men. But dont let that bad experience with a minority of men affect your thinking and judgment and diligently guard your heart or you are the one it hurts in the long run.
MA2444
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How would know what's in my heart? You can't so your just being mean.
Are you really suggesting that you're on some sort of crusade for God? That by cursung men and neighbors that you do God a service?
Wow. Don't lose your temper so early in the morning...you wont any left for the rest of the day!
It's not about exceptions nor is it about our ego; it's about us having the WISDOM to be able to discern when to submit and when NOT to.
Let's add a little depth to this quaint story. In addition to *me* having a boss at work, I have a spouse at home that I need to submit to... unconditionally. My boss needs me to work overtime on a Saturday. My husband wants me to stay home and help him do some tasks he can very well do himself. I explain to my husband that my boss needs me to work, that we can use the additional overtime, and that I would gladly help my husband on Sunday. My husband insists that I help HIM on Saturday.
What do I do? After all, I "have a boss at work and if I don’t follow his directions, I can be terminated." And in this day and age, most couples need two incomes.
Ephesians 5:21 says, "Submit TO ONE ANOTHER out of reverence for Christ." If my husband was a smart man, he would see the wisdom in those words...and submit to OUR needs through me. He wouldn't let his selfish ego get the better of him...
Alas, he was more like YOU, Wrangler, paying more attention to his wife's submission instead of his own.
MA2444
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You would have to ask yourself what means more to you your Husband or your Job? It's one question to answer.
When you throw in that scripture, you bring up another question. Would Jesus hold your employment higher than your Husband?
Did you answer any of those questions?
First of all, we're not "girls." We're WOMEN. (Yes, I'm yanking your chain...lovingly.)
The problem is that it's not a SMALL minority of men who treat women with contempt and disrespect. Four percent is a small minority. Forty-nine percent is still a minority, but is it "small"? Are you SURE it's a "minority'? THAT'S what I've been trying to bring to your attention. It's more widespread than you think.
And just because I've had some bad experiences with men does NOT mean that I view ALL men through a negative lens. I don't.
What in the world are you talking about? I'm not losing my temper. Simply telling you that not all men have the heart of Christ.
Would a husband ask himself the same question? What means more to my husband, his wife or his job?
Would Jesus hold my husband's employment higher than me, his wife?
Or maybe a better question is, What Would Jesus Do?
Wrangler
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Exactly right! They live in opposition to Phil 4:8. focusing on and nursing their hatred and anger toward men. Sad.
Wrangler
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MA2444
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@Mink57 I got two stories about this!
At one place I worked before I went into business for myself I worked at a P&H company that had two bosses. One working boss and one straw boss. I came in late to work one morning and straw boss started laying into me for being late and working boss looks at him and says why dont you leave him alone? Don't you see it is pouring outside so the man prolly was taking the kids to school being a good dad? Give him a break!
That's exactly why I was late. So I had one smart boss and one clueless boss, lol. I didnt even say anything and neither did straw boss. It just got, dropped! Now these two bosses were not married and not homo's. But they had a similar type relationship. Starw boss was subservient to working boss sort of how a wife is to the Husband. Working boss was the actual owner of the place but let straw boss run things for the most part. Working boss would overrule straw boss from time to time...and straw boss demonstrated just stepping down to the owner. As a wife would to the husband on occasions.
Another story. After I let my wife move us to Ft. Collins Colorado so she could live closer to her parents which lived there, we were back in C. Springs after it didnt work out financially. Oh I got a good paying job but I had all sorts of people calling me from C. Springs, Hey Ed can you come down this weekend and do some work for me? I had customers in C. Springs. But I figured if I can work in C. Springs and do ok, then we can do it in Ft. Collins. So yes honey we can move to Ft Collins. Just tryong to give her what she wants that will make her happy.
It did not work out. Too much extra gas money running back n forth and just, not the same. So I said we're moving back to C. Springs. And she said the funniest thing. She said you work for the Devil and not God, you might as well tie me up in the basement!! Boo hoo hoo....Not Really! Lol! She really said, I think you're right Ed, I'll trust your judgment.. I had wondered if I would meet resistance from her because, well, family is family. But when she said I trust your judgment I knew I had married the right girl!
So we moved back to C. Springs and I got a job right off with the biggest company in town, they always need guys and I was a good tech. IIRC they had 14 service trucks on the road, not including installers. It had 3 bosses. 2 Owners (Brothers) and one straw boss. One brother went away to college for Business management while the other brother built up his business. That guy was a Master Plumber and a good one. But he isnt as smart as his older brother but he ws smart enough to build up the largest company in town! And this business was getting too big for him to know how to manage! They was so busy that I knew they needed yet another office girl and I heard the talking about hiring another girl for the office so I walked in and said, ok, I.m gonna do you favor RJ (Working boss), I'll let you hire my wife because she ran our office before we moved to Ft. Collins. And RJ liked that idea and so she applied and they hired her.
Now anything that girl touches, turns to gold, lol. So she started working there and caught the office up on everything and was real sweet on the phone with customers. So she was working out good.
Then College fed big brother showed up and was going to help his brother make that company more profitable. The first thing they did was to fire 9 of the top techs, me included. A man who shall remain nameless sat in on that conversation that they had when that decision was made. They said, get rid of the top 9 highest paid guys to cut down the overhead and hire a bunch of guys from the tech college at a lower wage. Even if there is more call backs it will still be cheaper than keeping 9 top paid techs on the payroll! So I lost my job there. They called 9 of us in there and let all of us go. How crummy can you get?!
I hadnt even finished packing up my stuff out of my locker and truck when my wife walks in and says she heard what happened. And she walked right into the bosses office and said she is quitting! And they said, no this doesnt affect you, we need you.
You see when she had some slow time with not much to do, she would go to the accounts receivable drawer and call people who had unpaid bills. Hi this is the company that fixed or installed your furnace and is it doing ok for you or has there been more problems? Oh the furnace is working fine, thanks....Ok since everything is doing good can we get paid for the work? !!! And she collected more than $100,000 in accounts receivables that were past due in like, the first two months that she was there! No one told her to do it, she just did it because she knows how! So they were more than extremely happy with her as an employee! My boss told me at one point that he owes me a bottly wine for that favor I did for him! Like I suggested, lol. (I never did get any wine!) but he said it.
And they argued up and down with her to stay and work for them. She said fine, give my husband his job back...And they said they cant do that, a decision was reached blah blah blah. So she said, Bye!
And left at the same time I did. I dint ask her to do that. But she had more loyalty to me than to the stinking job, and that just made me feel so proud of her. I was making $20 an hour at that place and she was making $18 so we was making pretty good money until she walked out! And that, is worth more than money.
That's not her being a slave or utterly controlled. I didnt say she had to quit when they fired me. But because she did...it touched my heart and made me think to do something very special for her standing with me, instead of a job.
It isnt men being tyrant slave owners or satanists like some short sighted ones have suggested. It's about the woman knew her place beside me and it was the right thing to do is to side with her Husband and not her paycheck. That's code talk for subservient. That's all it was. That is something in her. In her heart. She had the greatest attitude towards what we were building within our marriage and me when we were working together and we had something. Because of that specific female. I stood down to her when she was right or had a good idea, but I held the option of over ruling her which I wound up not doing very much because she was smart and had a good heart.
I think you already said you would keep the job and refuse the husband so I wont ask you what you would do in that instance. But you throw those words of cursing upon the men so much that...you make me wonder if there is any hope for you? Like Wrangler said, is it confusion or full blindness?
You gotta be all in or it dont work. You can't expect for a man to be all in, when you are not and continually oppose him.
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Wrangler
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Already showing your ought of control ego. In this story, you deny the fact that your husband explained to you.
Perhaps you truly are unaware of how you always put yourself above God and your husband but you do.
What you do is act on your values. What is more important to you; a happy marriage or a happy boss?
Today's feminists think nothing of treating their boss with more respect and deference than they do their husbands. That is, feminists are oblivious how poorly they show up in relationships. Not being able to take responsibility, of course they blame their husbands "lack of understanding."
In Dr. Laura's book The Proper Care and Feeding of Husbands, she rebukes the adage; husbands don't need to "understand" that you are putting someone on Earth above them. It's wrong and there's no defense. We all know that all you an do is present a scenario where the husband is in the wrong while blind to how you present yourself as always in the wrong.
Wrangler
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LOL. Here, you turn your burden to submit to your husband around.
It is easy for men to submit to their wives. I do it all the time and it is easier for me to submit to her 90% of the time than it is for her to submit to me 10% of the time. EGO.
MA2444
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See when the girls speak those cursing words of condemnation upon men speak words like that, they have been brooding over it so they emit dark energy and it's like a dark mist is around them. It's not attractive and she isn't trying to be so from whence does it come?
Philippians 4: 8 and 9 actually tells them how to not think these things.
8 And now, dear brothers and sisters, one final thing. Fix your thoughts on what is true, and honorable, and right, and pure, and lovely, and admirable. Think about things that are excellent and worthy of praise.
9 Keep putting into practice all you learned and received from me—everything you heard from me and saw me doing. Then the God of peace will be with you..../NLT
NLT says it like it is. v8 says you better be an optimist! Think about good things and positive. Be optimistic and speak optimistically for those words carry good energy. At one point when I was married, I came to the conclusion that everything one spouse says to the other, everything, either serves to build up or destroy the relationship. So we all should choose our words carefully and try to build instead of destroy!
I love it how Jesus talks. He don't always say yes to what I want or that I am right, or have sinned. He never brings it with condemnation. He always says things in just the right way. You will never hear Jesus speak about a man any man with condemnation. Yet He talks straight for what He does say. I wish the girls would talk like that. So they shouldnt entertain those negative thoughts about men. Don't dwell on it! Scripture says we are to cast those thoughts down and take them captive to the name of Jesus! What's that mean?
It means dont think about those things. Think about these things...!!! (Phil. 4:8&9)
For those with ears to hear.
MA2444
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Well what do you expect? We're in the last days and evil is rampant. So be as wise as serpents and harmless as doves. So are you saying that men have broken your spirit? That it makes it impossible for you to have an respect towards men in your speech?
I thought that with God all things are possible? I thought all things have become new? Then your job is to enforce the victory that Jesus has already won until He comes for you. Right?
When Jesus was on the cross, He looked down at the guys who had nailed him to that cross and said...Father forgive them for they know not what they do...He didn't curse them! Why not? Aren't you supposed to walk in the character of Jesus? To overcome your flesh?
Have you ever tried to forgive those men that harmed you or did you wrong?
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