WHAT DOES IT MEAN WIVES ARE TO BE OBEDIENT TO THEIR HUSBANDS?

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Mink57

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Explains why you are single.
No. I'm single because I CHOOSE to be single. Have said MANY times how often I've been approached after many years.

With the caliber of men out there these days, NOT INTERESTED.
 
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Yup! And my late husband learned very early on that I'm a DEAD SHOT.

Sorry honey, but...if you and I were together, I'm not gonna let ANYONE come between us. Physically, mentally, spiritually....

I gotta stake in this relationship, too. We either work TOGETHER to protect each other, or we don't work at all.

We're in this TOGETHER! PERIOD. I take care of YOU, YOU, take care of ME. YOU can pull ME out of harm's way, and I can do the same.

If you think for a moment that it's all about YOU, then you better read your bible again..
 

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Yup! And my late husband learned very early on that I'm a DEAD SHOT.

Sorry honey, but...if you and I were together, I'm not gonna let ANYONE come between us. Physically, mentally, spiritually....

I gotta stake in this relationship, too. We either work TOGETHER to protect each other, or we don't work at all.

We're in this TOGETHER! PERIOD. I take care of YOU, YOU, take care of ME. YOU can pull ME out of harm's way, and I can do the same.

If you think for a moment that it's all about YOU, then you better read your bible again..

I dont buy that. If you was such a dead shot why you couldnt you save your self 4 times?

So you would save me if we were together? Ok you take point, lol. That's ridiculous. We wouldnt be together anyway because of the energy that you project to men. That type of attitude in such a situation would get people killed. Will you never stand down to your man?

I doubt it, too much hate in your heart. In fact, that girl I left in McDonalds tried so "save me" once, lol. She was drunk and we had been bowling and after that she was playing that Ma. PacMan game and I was messin with her, go left, go right, through the tunnel! And she choked on it somewhere and got mad at me and turned around and sloshed her cup of beer in my face! So I slapped her and then 4 heros walked up and wanted to make something of it, but the guy from behind the counter came out with a big billy club and told us all to leave.

Out in the parking lot they drove in behind us like they were going to follow us and beat my ass. My brother was there too and driving so he made a big loop in the parking lot and came in behind them and as we neared the entrance they stopped their car and ran at our car. He ran to the driver door first and my brother locked it real quick so then he starts coming around my side and I had just enough beer in me to get lively and I went jump out the car to meet him as he came around and he was a lot bigger than I was and I thought uh-oh what did I bite off? And as he reaches me my drunk GF comes out the car and between me and him and starts her BS yelling and trying to push him back I guess. And my mama didnt raise no fool he had his hands busy with that stupid girl so I reached right over her head because she was short and hammered that guy ib the face with a bunch of right-left-right-left's and he was getting tre up and he backs up just about the time that all his buddies ran up to help him.

I just knew I was getting my ass beat then! So I thought to take out a couple of them at least so I took a fighting stance and looked that dude right in the eye and motioned him forwatd to me! He looks over at the first guy I beat up and he has all this blood on his face and he says to him, he did that to you?! And what could he say? He started studying the ground! And he looks back at me in my stance and says well come on Bruce Lee! And I just stood there and beckoned him forward...and he keeps looking over to the big guy that I messed up and all of a sudden he changed his mind! And they all vanished. I got so lucky that night!

But that girl didnt save me and she was in the way. She should've stayed in the car. Maybe she distracted the guy long enough for me to mess up his face so that helped my intimidation bluff with that crowd of guys wanting to beat my ass but it wasnt her that got us out of the crap.

I find it hard to believe that you can have such a chip on your shoulder towards men and wont even admit any fault whatsoever in 4 failed relationships. That aint wife material. Like I said that energy you hold just flows out when you talk and says, red flag red flag...
 

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Yup! And my late husband learned very early on that I'm a DEAD SHOT.

Sorry honey, but...if you and I were together, I'm not gonna let ANYONE come between us. Physically, mentally, spiritually....

I gotta stake in this relationship, too. We either work TOGETHER to protect each other, or we don't work at all.

We're in this TOGETHER! PERIOD. I take care of YOU, YOU, take care of ME. YOU can pull ME out of harm's way, and I can do the same.

If you think for a moment that it's all about YOU, then you better read your bible again..

How can you be the age that you are and still be so stupid? Does the Wife get a gun? Of course she must have one in the safe room with her if we are under fire. I own one bullet (Hope) vest, who gets it? She does. I'll go engage the enemy and she stays in the safe room with her vest and gun. That's simple.

Not oh I'm coming out to cover that window gimme an ar. She's asking for it. You can't inject strife into an already tense situation. Go pray for us and stay down before I knock you out! Lol. (Meanwhile they just shot me through the window because of your bickering and distractions. Some things, you gotta let the man handle.
 

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I find it hard to believe that you can have such a chip on your shoulder towards men and wont even admit any fault whatsoever in 4 failed relationships. That aint wife material. Like I said that energy you hold just flows out when you talk and says, red flag red flag...
She does not see the log in her eye.

Regarding her constant need to glorify herself; in this case, being a dead shot. It shows the absolute foolish pride of women. Your original story indicated a capacity to avoid conflict that flowed from situational awareness, i.e., peace maker. @Mink57 is divisive and not a peace maker. Proverbs 22:3 comes to mind,
The prudent sees danger and hides himself, but the simple go on and suffer for it.

Always needing to prove herself, @Mink57 has proven herself - to have an out of control ego, putting herself above man and God. Regarding that chip on her shoulder energy, she has to live with all that hate and bitterness. This is why I often pray for her.

I got a story of when I was courting my 1st wife. Leaving the parking lot after a big movie, the traffic was fierce. I jumped in front of a car as the lanes merged and they showed they wanted to make something of it, trying to force me to pull over, beeping, lights flashing, high beams on and off. I replied in kind. In their aggression, they got ahead of me. Rather than ramping up the machismo, I drove slowly and deliberately, even signaling to turn onto the highway ramp. They turned onto the highway when it really was too late for them. So, I drove slowly and deliberately, even signaling to turn off the highway ramp, back into the stiff post movie traffic - as cool as a master playfully defeating a novice. (Think Neo at the end of the Matrix, effortlessly blocking punches).

That's when my wife to be knew she wanted to marry me. My capacity to keep my head, play 4D chess to 4 ruffians in a car playing checkers while she feared for our lives drew her feminine energy to my provide and protect masculine energy. Too bad @Mink57 can never experience that divine energy between lovers.
 
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TLHKAJ

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Riiiiight. As if ALL men/husbands are THAT SMART.
Amen. I'll tell you right now, that I am the one who had to stand between my children and danger .... my husband didn't and wouldn't. He was too afraid, too obedient to those threatening to harm us (and him). Many times, I had to place myself between him and the children. His fear of men caused him to lash out at his family rather than to protect them, or place himself between them and danger. For 32 years, it has always been me who stood between danger and my children, grandchildren ....even between danger and my husband.

Not all men who wear the label "Christian" are actually doing what scripture commands them to do. Is there a man who loves his wife as Christ loves the church? I haven't seen a good example .....ever. But we're all broken, aren't we? I did the submissive thing very well, until it came to the safety of my children.

And what about my own safety? I live under constant threat, having been born into a bloodline cult family. (And my husband was as well, as were our children.) I don't know of a man who would stand under this pressure. Yet, I do see many women stand under the pressure to protect their children. Women may be the weaker vessel, but they are not weak. A real woman will protect her children with her life against 50 men. She may not succeed, but she will be willing to die trying.

But what about when it comes to a wife being used by other men for s.x? What should she do? What should the husband have done? Should he not place himself in danger to protect her? Should he hand his wife over because they are more powerful and more in number?

I'm sorry, but these threads are started by men who can't get over their egos. And if a woman challenges them where they have taken things over and above what scripture says, they become verbally abusive and hateful. Most women don't get involved in these threads. I tried not to. But it's not in me to be silent ....not anymore. It is sickening to see those who boast of being godly speak of women the way they do, and using derogatory statements pertaining to women to insult another man. It's sickening and I know God is not in it. That is not love.
 
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TLHKAJ

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A direct quote is not an interpretation. How do you interpret:
Ephesians 5:22 For wives, this means submit to your husbands as to the Lord.
There is a very key phrase here that most men overlook .... "as unto the Lord." If a man is commanding his wife to do things that the Lord would not command the Church to do, she is not to obey him.
 
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There is a very key phrase here that most men overlook .... "as unto the Lord." If a man is commanding his wife to do things that the Lord would not command the Church to do, she is not to obey him.
So, you hold there is some command Christ may give that you are obligated to not follow?
 

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It depends on whether its done in love or for a man's own selfish desires.Its not total obedience or you would become a victim of abuse respect has to be there or there is no Love.No one should have that power over another human being.
 

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Your opinion. Where does Scripture say wives are to judge their husbands?
And vice versa. Where does scripture state a man is to judge his wife?

And if you must know, when I left with the children to protect them, his words were.... "What if they come after me bc you're not here?!" Sounds like fear, acts like fear .... it's fear.
 
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