David in NJ
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P.S. - Modern science has been and still is, serving satan.
No wonder that the RCC gave birth to it.........................
There is only one true church
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P.S. - Modern science has been and still is, serving satan.
No wonder that the RCC gave birth to it.........................
Taken
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Pretty confident God Himself had a plan to radiate His word forth throughout the whole world long before Catholics stepped on the soap box to claim credit.
Jude Thaddeus
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Is that your response to your myth of the Dark Ages?
Do you believe encyclopedias, doctors, nurses and hospitals serve satan?
Does satan miraculously heal incurable diseases in Christians of every stripe, or is it God?
Are there no trustworthy educated pastors in or near Denville, or do you hate them all too?
You really need to talk to one.
Or a doctor.
You have my sympathy.
I will pray for your healing.
Jude Thaddeus
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Catholics don't claim credit for His gifts, like your Bible. For a staff member, you should know how the quote feature works. You are the one who accuses members of snarky remarks, gaslighting, "carnal mind" ad nauseum..
Do you have difficulty understanding my signature?
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David in NJ
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True science is from God the Creator and is Good for man to discover and to use for good.
True science enabled me to receive a hip replacement.
True science is GOOD!
Only after you leave this earth will the veil be pulled away for you.
Listen to the Apostle Paul who warns of of the 'science' which is here now and soon coming.
The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Covid and the Vaxx is just one example of evil men/women using 'science' for great harm.
HAARP is another scientific weapon from the globalists.
The Mark of the Beast will be satan's greatest scientific advancement that leads people straight to hell.
Listen to the Apostle John
Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
For all that is in the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—is not of the Father but is of the world.
And the world is passing away, and the lust of it; but he who does the will of God abides forever.
David in NJ
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Jude Thaddeus
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The Catholic Church, if you know ANY history, is guilty of advancing medical science that gave you a hip replacement.
You are blinded by "Bible Christian" hate.
I'm a retired medical professional. I am sending you to my ICU, (Ignore Care Unit). Dr. Luke is the attending physician. Good bye.
You are blinded by "Bible Christian" hate.
I'm a retired medical professional. I am sending you to my ICU, (Ignore Care Unit). Dr. Luke is the attending physician. Good bye.
Jude Thaddeus
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Letter to Father George V. Coyne, Director of the Vatican Observatory (June 1, 1988) | John Paul II
Genesis, Vatican Observatory, George V. Coyne, Director of the Vatican Observatory
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Marvelloustime
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Jude Thaddeus
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I often wonder if "Bible Christian" hate cults rejoiced when Hitler killed 3,000,000 Polish Catholics.
Or if they celebrated when St. Pope John Paul II was shot in the stomach by a KGB puppet.
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Taken
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Fact is God Himself Created and Made all things for manKind to Discover and USE for Good.
Discoveries, regardless of historical and modernly Titled categorized Fields, are all Broadly called SCIENCE and were introduced Anciently by God TO manKind, and Used By ManKind…(for Good, for Evil, for Wickedness);
Long before some guy calling himself Catholic decided that ONLY the Catholic church is due the credit of BEING Christ’s Church … and
ONLY members of the Catholic church, ARE Christ’s “saints”…and
ONLY the Catholic church is accredited with Preaching Gods Truth….and
ONLY the Catholic church is accredited with establishing and practicing and distributing knowledge regarding Sciences.
In the big scheme of things…
Sort of makes Jesus’ journey to Earth and His Great Works…a footnote…and the Catholic Catechism book, a superseding book, over the Biblical Holy Scriptures.
God Bless you.
Glory to God,
Taken
David in NJ
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There are certainly dead churches out there, Amigo. And that's terribly unfortunate, but God is sovereign over all of that.
Grace and peace to you.
All the scrolls of the Old Testament most certainly existed (and were duplicated many times over). And Jesus said all of Scripture ~ Moses and the prophets, so all of the Old Testament ~ was about Him. I mean, when Jesus had His extended "teaching session" with the two men He met with on the road to Emmaus after His resurrection, it would be quite ridiculous to think Jesus had the scrolls with Him while they talked, I think, but, in their own words later to the disciples, He "opened to (them) the Scriptures," so, obviously they knew them, they just didn't know what they all meant until He did so, and therefore their "hearts burn(ed) within (them)" (Luke 24:32). But again, the point is, the Old Testament ~ God's Word ~ certainly existed, and was certainly written. There was ample time for this to have happened, certainly... four centuries passed between the time of last prophecy of the Old Testament and the time of Jesus's birth.
Now, as for "delivered"... <big grin> Even now, it is certainly possible for one to hear and even see every single bit of God's Word, but still not actually have it delivered to them. And that's certainly no laughing or grinning or smiling matter... But... God's Word never returns to Him void, which... Well, Isaiah says, quoting the Lord Himself:
"For as the rain and the snow come down from heaven and do not return there but water the earth, making it bring forth and sprout, giving seed to the sower and bread to the eater, so shall My word be that goes out from My mouth; it shall not return to me empty, but it shall accomplish that which I purpose, and shall succeed in the thing for which I sent it" (Isaiah 55:10-11).
And, for all you anti-Augustinians and anti-Calvinists out there... <smile>... this one passage, although certainly not alone in doing so, should convey very clearly, unmistakably, and without objection at least the 'U,' 'L,' 'I,' and 'P' of the acronym with which we've come to associate John Calvin's "five points" ~ Calvin's responses to Jacobus Arminius's five objections.
Grace and peace to you, Augustin.
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Neither do I. I'm not sure if anything I said gave you the impression that I believed otherwise.
Right. Isn't it... interesting... that we have some in this very thread saying they are of Cephas? And contending, as it were, as such? And of course, panning back out, there is a lot of that these days, manifesting itself in many, many ways.They actually spoke against it rather strongly.
EXAMPLE: 1 Corinthians 1:10-14
Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. For it has been declared to me concerning you, my brethren, by those of Ce’s household, that there are contentions among you. Now I say this, that each of you says, “I am of Paul,” or “I am of Apollos,” or “I am of Cephas,” or “I am of Christ.” Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?
I will say, though, that just because there are disagreements regarding... oh, which mode of baptism is the correct one, or even the age-appropriateness of water baptism, or the like... does not necessarily indicate a real division in the sense of the 1 Corinthians passage you quoted above.
But anyway... one great day it will no longer be so. There will be no division, even no real disagreement, but perfect unity ~ because there will be no more sin, and we will all... Well, I'll just quote John here: "What we will be has not yet appeared; but we know that when He appears we shall be like Him, because we shall see Him as He is" (1 John 3:2). So... "Come, Lord Jesus!" (Revelation 22:20), right?
Grace and peace to you, David. "The grace of the Lord Jesus be with all" (Revelation 22:21).
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Whose bible? Romans 12 and 1 Corinthians 12 are pretty clear that the gifts of the Spirit are actually gifts of the Spirit (God)...
Hmmm... so two things:
1. You say modern science was born in the Catholic Church, that Catholic priests developed the idea of free-market economics, the Catholic Church invented the university, that western law grew out of Church canon law, and that the Catholic Church humanized the West ~ among other ridiculous things, I'm sure ~ but that Catholics "don't claim credit" for His gifts?
2. And you only accuse others of snarky remarks, gaslighting, "carnal mind" ad nauseum, even while issuing this certificate of hypocrisy and asking, rhetorically, "Do you have difficulty understanding my signature?"
Hmmm... My hypocrisy and idolatry detectors are going crazy... <smile>
Well, as I said to David above, one great day it will no longer be so. There will be no division, even no real disagreement, but perfect unity ~ because there will be no more sin, and we will all... Well, again, from 1 John 3:2, "What we will be has not yet appeared; but we know that when He appears we shall be like Him, because we shall see Him as He is" (1 John 3:2). So... "Come, Lord Jesus!" (Revelation 22:20).
Grace and peace to you, JT.
Jude Thaddeus
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Early Protestant Hostility Towards (and Ignorance Of) Science
Classical "Reformational" Protestantism, generally speaking, was out and out hostile to the burgeoning discoveries of science.
www.patheos.com
Wrong on 2 counts. "some guy" didn't call himself Catholic, he called the Church Catholic. That was St. Ignatius, bishop of Antioch, writing about a church you have nothing to do with. Catholic means universal, or whole world, the Greek is kataholis, found in Romans1:8, proof text that St. Paul was Catholic :) Now if "some guy" called the Church "Catholic", who do you think taught him that??? Or did he invent the term by himself???
I have said many times, the CC is not the only church with truths and is not anti-Protestant..
Did you at least finish high school?
You have seen this before, but keep running from it.
from the catechism:
Wounds to unity
817 In fact, "in this one and only Church of God from its very beginnings there arose certain rifts, which the Apostle strongly censures as damnable. But in subsequent centuries much more serious dissensions appeared and large communities became separated from full communion with the Catholic Church - for which, often enough, men of both sides were to blame."269 The ruptures that wound the unity of Christ's Body - here we must distinguish heresy, apostasy, and schism270 - do not occur without human sin:
Where there are sins, there are also divisions, schisms, heresies, and disputes. Where there is virtue, however, there also are harmony and unity, from which arise the one heart and one soul of all believers.271
818 "However, one cannot charge with the sin of the separation those who at present are born into these communities [that resulted from such separation] and in them are brought up in the faith of Christ, and the Catholic Church accepts them with respect and affection as brothers . . . . All who have been justified by faith in Baptism are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians, and with good reason are accepted as brothers in the Lord by the children of the Catholic Church."272
819 "Furthermore, many elements of sanctification and of truth"273 are found outside the visible confines of the Catholic Church: "the written Word of God; the life of grace; faith, hope, and charity, with the other interior gifts of the Holy Spirit, as well as visible elements."274 Christ's Spirit uses these Churches and ecclesial communities as means of salvation, whose power derives from the fullness of grace and truth that Christ has entrusted to the Catholic Church. All these blessings come from Christ and lead to him,275 and are in themselves calls to "Catholic unity."276
Toward unity
820 "Christ bestowed unity on his Church from the beginning. This unity, we believe, subsists in the Catholic Church as something she can never lose, and we hope that it will continue to increase until the end of time."277 Christ always gives his Church the gift of unity, but the Church must always pray and work to maintain, reinforce, and perfect the unity that Christ wills for her. This is why Jesus himself prayed at the hour of his Passion, and does not cease praying to his Father, for the unity of his disciples: "That they may all be one. As you, Father, are in me and I am in you, may they also be one in us, . . . so that the world may know that you have sent me."278 The desire to recover the unity of all Christians is a gift of Christ and a call of the Holy Spirit.279
We hand an olive branch to Protestantism, and certain minorities within a minority of a minority comes along and spits on it. In "Christian" forums no less.
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David in NJ
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So God gave His Word to His Children who, throughout Time, continues to declare who HE IS and how to we are to find HIM and serve Him.
For it is the God who commanded light to shine out of darkness, who has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellence of the power may be of God and not of us. - 2 Cor 4:6-7
amigo de christo
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GOD IS SOVEREIGN . but them churches are in deadly dire danger of hells fire .
Just cause GOD is sovereign dont mean HE is well pleased with them at all my friend .
IF we love we better start correcting the brethren . its not a sin or juding or condeming to correct one in sin .
it aint loving to let them stay in sin and just hug and try and get along .
pretty darn sad when i have to say things so simple that one would have thought a six year old could grasp .
WE bess bible up . cause many within christendom itself
if men like paul , james , jude , john , and EVEN CHRIST HIMSELF
entered into them churches , THEY WOULD SCREAM away with you judgmental haters
you all dont know jesus ,god or love . aint that something .
THEY WOULD TELL JESUS he DONT KNOW JESUS . that is a fact buddy .
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