THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

[JLB]

That's a cult teaching.

Another view is the "Sethite" teaching, the sons of God are the descendants of Seth..

So, this stuff is "rabbit trail" guesswork 101-A.

It’s scripture.

• There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men

There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. Genesis 6:4

 

[JLB]

Jesus pre-incarnate is.. the WORD, and God "spoke creation into existence".

Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light.
Genesis 1:3

 

[Behold]

There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men

But that verse does not say that this created what God had to drown, worldwide, which is your teaching, that is a CULT teaching.

Sethite teaching is more accurate.

 

[Behold]

Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light.
Genesis 1:3

And JESUS is the "LIGHT OF THE WORLD"... or as Jesus said it.. ."I AM..(God's Name).. the Light of the World".. In John 8:12

Everyone who is born again is a "child of THE LIGHT".

Now look again... "God Spoke and said.. LET THERE BE".. .and JESUS>. is the Pre-incarnate WORD....

That is...>"Let US......make man.. .in OUR image.""""

That is FATHER and Word..... doing that together. = CREATION

That is why John 1:10 says that Jesus made the World, and Colossians 1:16, says He is doing even more right now..

 

[Taken]

Would you agree that a person that has a human as a mother and God as father is half-human and half-God?
Or even 100% human and 100% God?

Human beings are Terrestrials “Earthly”.
They are the natural offsprings of the human male seed and human female fertilized egg.

God declared the LIFE of each ManKIND of being IS it’s Blood and Must, Shall Die.

God Offered that that Blood Life of Every ManKIND of Being WHO willingly “Gives” His Own Blood Life “Unto Death , Unto God”…

God Shall Receive…unto Himself and Keep With Him Forever….

And So also… Shall the Lord God…Forgive that man…(body, soul, natural spirit)… For Having HAD unbelief “In the Lord God”.

And so Also…Shall the Lord Make that mans Living Soul “Restored”. ( back to Good as it was when Given that Mans body).

And so also shall the Christ the Lord, (Power of God), Keep forever that mans soul “restored” ie. Saved Alive Forever…ie. Saved FROM God EVER removing His Breath of Life From that mans soul.

And so also, circumcise that mans HEART… cutting Off that mans natural old spirit (spirit… ie. Natural truth (denial of belief in God)…
And replace that old denying mans truth (spirit)… with a new heart…a new SEED, (Gods SEED) Who IS CHRIST…

And ONCE… that new heart, new Seed, is GIVEN that man…
That Mans New SPIRIT ( is born).

ONCE AS that mans new Spirit IS Born…
The Spirit of Gods TRUTH (Jesus, Gods Word of Truth) with Gods (Seed. / Christ) enters IN that mans New Spirit…
And Forever Remains With THAT mans soul and Spirit….

That mans Quickened spirit, Saved soul Lives IN Christ Jesus’ Risen Body with Gods Spirit of Truth (Jesus) and Gods Seed (Christ) and Gods Light (Jesus) and Gods Power (Christ)….UNTIL…. the Day God Rises UP the Manifestation of that mans Washed and Cleansed Body.
For that mans quickened spirit and restored saved soul to Reside IN its own Glorified Risen Body….WITH God

And Forever continuing on that mans living glorified body, living quickened spirit, living restored saved soul…shall reside WITH the Lord God Almighty, seeing Him AS He IS…. Spirit.

God does not become a created human.
Humans do not become God.
God is without a beginning.
God can not procreate offsprings without a beginning.
What is IN God IS God.
What God sends forth out from Him, also continues to Remain IN Him.

From the Beginning God HAS SENT His Word FORTH out from Him…all while His Word remained IN Him.

God sending His Word Forth out of His Mouth…
He Has and His Power Has appeared “to the eyes and ears of humans”….In numerous FASHIONS….that human eyes and human ears COULD see and Hear .

An Angel
Thunders
Lighting
Clouds
Wind
Water
Majestic Beauty
A Star
Sleep visions
Stone Tablet
A Dove
A Bush
A godly sinless prepared Body for His Word
Etc.

God IS not the Created.
Humans ARE NOT God….
However With Gods Offering, Word, Power…God Can MAKE freely willing Humans in His;
GOOD, RIGHTEOUS, HOLY, LIKENESS.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[APAK]

Jesus said.. "If you've seen me... You've seen the Father".

I know you've read that Moses asked God for His Name, and God said.>>"I Am, that I Am"... and Jesus said the same about Himself when He told the Haters......>>>"before Abraham was (born)... I AM".. John 8.

I see you have used my reply as a lame stepping stone to first ignore it, and then jump on to another common crazy idea by mixing some Hebrew from Exodus lingo with some common Greek and saying they have common meaning......for who is Jesus Christ.

I would suggest yourself and RD and others, start addressing scripture with truth for its true meaning and not for the purpose of proving, and plastering it in one's face, a very crooked and slanted premade mixed set of ideas and doctrine. Sounds good...? Give it a try with no bias this time...

And I do not want to explain again, and to you, your egregious err on this so-called 'I am' non-meaning that actually is not related in Hebrew or Aramaic as it is erroneously translated into English as a clear common bias, as yours.

You show no effort in understanding scripture at all Behold. It takes years and private study...As many here, you prefer the common wide road of discussion, by spouting out meaningless recycled wasteful prose, that is essentially based on poisonous lies.

 

[David in NJ]

I said it didn’t line up with scripture.your faith is very different to my faith.

Did the Sprit testify to your spirit that I’m not Born Again and a JEHOVAH WITNESS?

The Word of Truth testifies to the TRUTH, for the Word that became flesh is TRUTH

Anyone who speaks against or contradicts, even slightly, the Word of TRUTH will then stray from the TRUTH in understanding.

Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.

 

[David in NJ]

That's a cult teaching.

Another view is the "Sethite" teaching, the sons of God are the descendants of Seth..

So, this stuff is "rabbit trail" guesswork 101-A.

Denying the TRUTH of Genesis chapters 5-7 is a cult teaching of unbelief/ignorance.

Especially since God verified Genesis ch6 in Jude and 2 Peter and in Revelation

 

[Ritajanice]

The Word of Truth testifies to the TRUTH, for the Word that became flesh is TRUTH

I’m talking about now David, who is the Living witness ?

Anyone who speaks against or contradicts, even slightly, the Word of TRUTH will then stray from the TRUTH in understanding.

Nonsense, a Born Again is kept in Gods truth by whose power?

Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.

Religious talk.


I’m in the Spirit ,led by the Spirit, I’m not under law I’m under grace.

You sound like a religious leader, who walks and talks themselves through scripture..i rebuke what you teach..you have no understanding of the rebirth therefore what you post are opinions ,same as everyone else’s opinions...

You push that as a trinity believer you’re 100% per cent right...complete and utter arrogance to even believe such a thing...

No one can figure out the mystery of God, Jesus, Holy Spirit.

 

[David in NJ]

I’m talking about now David, who is the Living witness ?

Nonsense, a Born Again is kept in Gods truth by whose power?

Religious talk.


I’m in the Spirit ,led by the Spirit, it’s scripture, yet it won’t resonate with my spirit as I’m not under law I’m under grace.

You sound like a religious leader, who walks and talks themselves through scripture..i rebuke what you teach..

I’m talking about now David, who is the Living witness ?

And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me,
“Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last. I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold,
I am alive forevermore. Amen.
And I have the keys of Hades and of Death.
Write the things which you have seen, and the things which are, and the things which will take place after this.
The mystery of the seven stars which you saw in My right hand, and the seven golden lampstands: The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands which you saw are the seven churches.

 

[Behold]

I see you have used my reply as a lame stepping stone to first ignore it, and then jump on to another common crazy idea

You show no effort in understanding scripture at all Behold. It takes years and private study.

Im Seminary Trained, and ive had years of private study.
My Study was not just with "a" Scholar, .. but i was also trained by : Adrian Rogers, James Kennedy, and Lloyd Ogilvie.
Some of my basic training is in "manuscript evidence" regarding "extant" Greek Texts.
So that was early on... and later, over 30 Yrs ago, i began to be trained exclusively by Paul the Apostle., once i read..

"be a follower of Me, as i Follow Christ"........so, i have been doing that for over 3 decades.

So then...., the reality is... understanding that God and "Word", are Father and pre-incarnate Jesus, is very simple to understand, but believing it is often hindered by studying bad theology, and bad (theologian's teaching.)
This happened to you.

Notice now...

We see that "Let US, create man.. in OUR Image" .. is 2.

= 2.
And we know that the AGENT of CREATION is the : Holy Spirit...

Our NT ( a real one) tells us that "God is A Spirit", and "Jesus is THAT Spirit".

So, that is 3, God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit., who are One.

We find that God spoke Creation into Existence, and Jesus is the "WORD", ... and so, when you speak, you use words, and God used the pre-incarnate WORD who "was GOD, in John 1:1.

This is why John 1:10 says that Jesus ""made the WORLD""..... and that is the same as """let US... make man in OUR Image"""...

I'll show you another one that proves the Deity of Christ, if you have an open mind.. but yours has been locked tightly, regarding this subject for a long time..
It is one of your favorite subjects to argue about on Forums.

But i'll show you anyway... @APAK .

Only God Can give the Holy Spirit, because only God IS the Holy Spirit......except that.... "Jesus is THAT Spirit".

So, THEY... ."breathed into ADAM" and He became LIVING......In Genesis 1.

And in John 20:22.....>>Jesus (Himself) BREATHED on the 11 Apostles and gave them the Holy Spirit"....

See that?
That is God doing that to Adam, and to the 11 Apostles.

And then Jesus SENT the Holy Spirit to the EARTH... in Acts 2.. and that is again GOD doing that, as God is the Holy Spirit.

See, all of this is not a mystery, if we really studied the word.......as the scriptures will teach all these truths, to the student, unless the student has been mentally corrupted so that they can't see anything, except what they were taught to Think..

So, What happens is.. .a person becomes a Christian, and they are WIDE OPEN....they dont know anything about the BIBLE.
And then, in come the heretics, and in comes the denominationalism... or Calvinism...ect, ect.....and they are soon indoctrinated, and depending on which.......... is what they become.

So, people like you were taught not to believe that God and Word......... are Father and Pre-incarnate Jesus.
Yet the bible easily proves they are "ONE"... .

Jesus Himself told us.. "If you've SEEN ME, you've SEEN the Father".

 

[Ritajanice]

And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me,
“Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last. I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold,
I am alive forevermore. Amen.
And I have the keys of Hades and of Death.

Nothing there that says Jesus is God.

Jesus lives forever more, but he ain’t God.

Write the things which you have seen, and the things which are, and the things which will take place after this.
The mystery of the seven stars which you saw in My right hand, and the seven golden lampstands: The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands which you saw are the seven churches.

You’re are once again evading my question ,just posting scripture that you believe proves the trinity...complete and utter nonsense.then gets into a strop if we don’t agree with you.

 

[Wrangler]

Stating that Jesus is the only begotten of the Father is the truth.

It’s scripture.

Why would you deny that Jesus is the only begotten of the Father.

Apparently, you did not read and understand what I wrote multiple times on the topic.

 

[Wrangler]

Jesus is God; God the Son

This assertion contradicts Scripture. Why would you assert things that contradict Scripture?

 

[Ritajanice]

Jesus Is Not God – Bible Verses​

Kermit Zarley​

Most Christians believe that Jesus was and is God. That is what the institutional church has taught. Christians professedly rely strongly on the Bible for this belief. Yet there is not a single verse in the Bible which states unequivocally, “Jesus is God,” or the like. Moreover, the New Testament (NT) gospels have no statement by Jesus in which he identifies himself as God. In fact, there are many Bible verses which indicate that Jesus cannot be God by declaring that only the Father is God or by distinguishing Jesus from God. Three irrefutable texts in the NT declare both of these points.

Jesus Himself Teaches that Only the Father is God​

First, and foremost, is one of Jesus’ sayings recorded only in the Gospel of John. The setting is the Last Supper, right before he was arrested and crucified. He prayed for his disciples, saying, “Father,… This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent” (John 17.3). So, Jesus says of the Father that he is “the only true God” and then distinguishes himself from that one God. Both of these points clearly indicate that Jesus himself cannot also be God.

There are two other times the Johannine Jesus identified the Father as the only God. Earlier, he told his Jewish opponents that the Father is “the one and only God” (John 5.44). And again, at the Last Supper, Jesus distinguished himself from this one and only God by commanding his disciples, “believe in God, believe also in Me” (14.1).

Paul Teaches that Only the Father is God​

The other two NT passages which irrefutably establish that only the Father is God and distinguish Jesus from God are in Paul’s letters. He writes to the church at Corinth, “There is no God but one…. yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things, and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him” (1 Corinthians 8.4, 6). Here, Paul clearly declares that for Christians there is one God, who is the Father, and there is no other God, so that Jesus is not God.

Many traditionalist scholars cite this passage to support that Jesus preexisted, thus concluding that he was God. Yet in doing so, they often ignore its double declaration that there is only one God, who is the Father. Even if Jesus did preexist, this does not prove that he was God. Second Temple Judaism regarded that some righteous men preexisted, and Jews did not conclude that such preexistence indicated that they actually were God/gods.

The third irrefutable NT text which establishes that there is God, who is the Father, and distinguishes Jesus from God is in Paul’s letter to the Ephesians. He writes, “There is one body and one Spirit, just as also you were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all” (Eph 4.4-6). Here, Paul implicitly identifies Jesus Christ as “one Lord” and distinguishes him from the “one God,” whom he unequivocally identifies as “the Father.” Paul is a unique author of NT literature in that he exclusively and consistently calls Jesus “Lord” and the Father “God.” Therefore, he never calls Jesus “God.”

So, these three NT passages—John 17.3; 1 Corinthians 8.4, 6; and Ephesians 4.4-6—establish without any doubt that only the Father is God, so that Jesus cannot be God.

Other Witnesses That Only the Father is God​

One of many other NT passages which confirm that Jesus is not God is his encounter with the rich young ruler. This man sincerely asked Jesus, “‘Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?’ And Jesus said to him, ‘Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone’” (Mark 10.17-18/Luke 18.18-19; cf. Matthew 19.16-17).

Many Christians have been confused by this saying, thinking that Jesus implies that he himself is not good. Yet the NT often declares that Jesus was such a righteous man that he never sinned (Acts 3.14; 2 Corinthians 5.21; Hebrews 4.15; 7.26; 2 Peter 2.22).

Then what did Jesus mean when he said, “no one is good but God alone”? In the OT, Judaism, and especially Hellenistic theism, only the one God was considered “good” in an absolute sense. This must be what Jesus meant in this encounter. Humans were called “good” only in a derived sense, with God being recognized as the Source of goodness.

Many NT passages show that Jesus was not God. For instance, the NT often declares that God sent Jesus, God was with Jesus in his mission, and God raised him from the dead. Peter preached about “Jesus of Nazareth, a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst” (Acts 2.22). Peter later proclaimed about “Jesus of Nazareth, how God anointed Him with the Holy Spirit and with power, and how He went about doing good, and healing all who were oppressed by the devil; for God was with Him” (10.38).

In the salutations of all ten of Paul’s NT letters he identifies God as the Father, distinguishes God from Jesus Christ, and he never mentions the Holy Spirit. He typically writes, “Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.” This evidence further affirms that only the Father is God and that Jesus is not God.

Moreover, the Bible contains several verses which state unambiguously that Jesus had a God, and most say his God was the Father. When Jesus hung upon the cross he quoted Psalm 22.1, crying out to the Father, “MY GOD, MY GOD, WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME” (Matthew 27.46/Mark 15.34). The day Jesus was resurrected, he said to Mary Magdalene, “I ascend to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God” (John 20.17). And three times the Apostle Paul writes about “the God and Father of our/the Lord Jesus (Christ)” (Romans 15.6; 2 Corinthians 1.3; 11.31; cf. Ephesians 1.17). Finally, the heavenly Jesus is quoted five times saying “My God” (Revelation 3.2, 12; cf. 1.6).

The Verse that Made Me Think​

The one verse that caused this author to first question whether Jesus is God is Jesus’ saying in his Olivet Discourse about the time of his return. He said, “But of that day and/or hour no one knows, not even the angels of/in heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone” (Matthew 24.36/Mark 13.32). Since Jesus did not know the time of his return he could not have been God, for he reveals that God the Father did know it. Orthodox Christian theology has always insisted that God is omniscient, knowing everything, including everything about the future. Accordingly, Jesus could not have been God.

 

[Behold]

Denying the TRUTH of Genesis chapters 5-7 is a cult teaching of unbelief/ignorance.

Especially since God verified Genesis ch6 in Jude and 2 Peter and in Revelation

In a real bible, you find that "God is/was manifested in the Flesh".....and in some fake bibles, however... that want to prevent a student from understanding that Jesus is "God manifested in the Flesh"....it says..>"he was manifested"..

So, HE "who"?..........
Why does that matter?
Its because if you are a new Believer, and you pick up a "bible" that says "he" was manifested in the Flesh, then you have NO IDEA who "HE" Is... because this bible does not want you to know, and people who are just like this bible, are on this forum, trying to deny the Deity of Christ.

Also, we noticed that when Thomas said...."My Lord and my GOD"... Jesus never corrected Him.. And that is understandable as Why would the God man, correct the truth?.. He wouldn't and didnt.

 

[Scott Downey]

Nothing there that says Jesus is God.

Jesus lives forever more, but he ain’t God.

You’re are once again evading my question ,just posting scripture that you believe proves the trinity...complete and utter nonsense.then gets into a strop if we don’t agree with you.

But other verses directly say Jesus as the Son is God.
And we are to speak these things to others
Titus 2

11 For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, 12 teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age, 13 looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, 14 who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from every lawless deed and purify for Himself His own special people, zealous for good works.

15 Speak these things, exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no one despise you.

 

[Behold]

Most Christians believe that Jesus was and is God. That is what the institutional church has taught.

Its the Bible that teaches the Deity of Christ.

Its SOME "institutions" and "scholars" that deny it.

 

[Ritajanice]

But other verses directly say Jesus as the Son is God.
And we are to speak these things to others
Titus 2

11 For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, 12 teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age, 13 looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, 14 who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from every lawless deed and purify for Himself His own special people, zealous for good works.

15 Speak these things, exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no one despise you.

I never said he wasn’t the Son Of God..he came from his seed...I said, imo, I don’t believe Jesus is God.

 

[David in NJ]

Nothing there that says Jesus is God.

Jesus lives forever more, but he ain’t God.

You’re are once again evading my question ,just posting scripture that you believe proves the trinity...complete and utter nonsense.then gets into a strop if we don’t agree with you.

jehovah false witness responses from you Ritajanice = you have been led astray from the TRUTH