THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

[St. SteVen]

The Spirit Of His Father God.,not the Holy Spirit..

My turn...

Explain the difference between "The Spirit of Father God" and "the Holy Spirit."

You may have painted yourself into a Trinitarian corner. - LOL

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[Ritajanice]

The Living Lord Jesus, The Living Father, My Living Self and the Living…Sue, Jan, Mark, Connie, Julie, Ralph, George, Jerry, Jackie, Mike, Joanie, Flossie, Dianne, Tony, Brian, Shannon, Robert, Joey, Cory, Don, Sharon, Nancy, Bill, James, Scotty, Tim, Paul, Pam, David, and a whole host of others WHOM YOU do NOT Know have Heard my Testimony….and a Host of Living others have “Read” my testimony…

Personal testimony means nothing..you need the Living Testimony, your just testifying of your own power...you have none...thinking you had some say in your spiritual rebirth, which is nonsense..,,you have no understanding in your spirit of who he is...the natural man has no understanding of the Spirit of God, as spirit words are not part of their vocabulary. they are spiritually discerned.

Therefore I rebuke your words, I also rebuke you accusing me of not being Born Again/ saint.

By the way, to be a Saint one must be Born Again.,,hope you understand that.

I see your talk, I see no Spirit talk.

So What?

It was NOT “you” I exercised my FREEWILL to Establish a Spiritual Relationship WITH …
Rather … the Lord God Almighty and His Quickened Living saints.

Glory to God,
Taken

Like I said non biblical..,self glorification..

 

[Scott Downey]

Titus 2:13, Paul tells us Christ is our great God and savior.
And this is shown nice and clear in Scripture.

11 For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, 12 teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age, 13 looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, 14 who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from every lawless deed and purify for Himself His own special people, zealous for good works.

 

[St. SteVen]

the Law of Identity

LOL

"Can I see some identification?"



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[Behold]

But Jesus is not the word in John 1:1 AND 1:14 does not say God became flesh.

Jesus pre-incarnate is the "Word".. in Jn 1:1

He is the "let US... .make MAN.... in OUR""" image.

See the "OUR, and "US">?

That is God and Pre-incarnate Jesus who is "God manifested in the Flesh"... 1 Tim 3:16

He's the same in John 1:10 . where it says that Jesus "made the world'..

 

[Ritajanice]

My turn...

Explain the difference between "The Spirit of Father God" and "the Holy Spirit."

You may have painted yourself into a Trinitarian corner. - LOL

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I already have...God is in heaven, he is an almighty Spirit .he is God.

The Holy Spirit does the will of the Father when God sends Him forth out of his mouth...he’s the Living seed, the Living testimony that all Born Again will receive when God decides to birth our spirit by his seed.

How else could I know God except by His Living seed penetrating the heart / spirit of mine, His seed growing me into spiritual maturity?

His seed indwell s my spirit...I’m growing to become more like Jesus..were partakers Of the divine nature...

We should also see the fruit of the Spirit, within the Born Again children of God.

We shall know them by their fruit..of course we can go back into that old man of self, but, as we grow in our spirit. he should become less and lesser.

Am I showing I’m a trinitarian according to you @St. SteVen ?

 

[JLB]

Trinitarian anti-logic.

I’m not Trinitarian. That’s just a man made label designed to divide the body of Christ.


Stating that Jesus is the only begotten of the Father is the truth.

It’s scripture.

Why would you deny that Jesus is the only begotten of the Father.


No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him. John 1:18

 

[Behold]

I’m not Trinitarian. That’s just a man made label designed to divide the body of Christ.

Are you a JW ?

As you dont even know that the "body of Christ" didnt start until Jesus died on The Cross, as this BIRTHED the NT Church, the "body of Christ".

 

[David in NJ]

Right , like in this verse - Song of Solomon 6:9 (KJV):

(9) My dove, my undefiled is but one [echad]; she is the only one [echad] of her mother, she is the choice one of her that bare her. The daughters saw her, and blessed her; yea, the queens and the concubines, and they praised her.​

The word echad is translated as 'one' 687 times in the KJV. It means "one"!

This is AWWESOME @keither

But do you know WHY???

 

[JLB]

God, being omnipotent, begets anyone or anything He chooses

Please share the scripture that says God begets anything He wants.


God designed that each of His creation would reproduce after its own kind.

Then God said, “Let the earth bring forth the living creature according to its kind: cattle and creeping thing and beast of the earth, each according to its kind”; and it was so. And God made the beast of the earth according to its kind, cattle according to its kind, and everything that creeps on the earth according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. Then God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”
Genesis 1:24-28


In Genesis 6 He destroyed everything on earth except Noah and his family because the sons of God polluted the genetic bloodline by interbreeding with the daughters of men.


There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. Genesis 6:4


Eventually the children of Israel were tasked with destroying these genetic crossbred giants and removing them from the promised land.




JLB

 

[David in NJ]

My point in focusing on the indivisibility of the trinity as taught by most churches, is that it of necessity reduces the death of Jesus to a hoax, because if there was yet a part of Him that remained attached to the Godhead, them He didn't really die.

According to the Scriptures
What part of JESUS died???
a.) His body
b.) His soul
c.) His spirit
e.) all of the above

Choose and explain - thank you

 

[David in NJ]

I have not confessed unbelief in the words of God. Saying that "the members of the Church are not Jesus" is not in conflict with verse 30. You have not understood it if you believe that you are literally part of Jesus. Paul wrote in verse 32, "This mystery is great, but I speak concerning Christ and of the assembly". You appear to have misunderstood the mystery. Here's some help - Barnes' Notes on Ephesians 5:30 says:

For we are members of his body - Of the body of Christ; see 1Co_11:3, note; 1Co_12:27, note; Jhn_15:1-6, notes, and Eph_1:23, note. The idea here is, that there is a close and intimate union between the Christian and the Saviour - a union so intimate that they may be spoken of as “one”.​

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Of his flesh, and of his bones - There is an allusion here evidently to the language which Adam used respecting Eve. “This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh;” Gen_2:23. It is language which is employed to denote the closeness of the marriage relation, and which Paul applies to the connection between Christ and his people. Of course, it cannot be understood “literally.” It is not true literally that our bones are a part of the bones of Christ, or our flesh of his flesh; nor should language ever be used that would imply a miraculous union. It is not a physical union, but a union of attachment; of feeling; of love. If we avoid the notion of a “physical” union, however, it is scarcely possible to use too strong language in describing the union of believers with the Lord Jesus. The Scriptures make use of language which is stronger than that employed to describe any other connection; and there is no union of affection so powerful as that which binds the Christian to the Saviour. So strong is it, that he is willing for it to forsake father, mother, and home; to leave his country, and to abandon his possessions; to go to distant lands and dwell among barbarians to make the Redeemer known; or to go to the cross or the stake from simple love to the Saviour. Account for it as people may, there has been manifested on earth nowhere else so strong an attachment as that which binds the Christian to the cross. It is stronger love that that which a man has for his own flesh and bones; for it makes him willing that his flesh should be consumed by fire, or his bones broken on the wheel rather than deny him. Can the infidel account for this strength of attachment on any other principle than that it has a divine origin?​

Note also in Ephesians 5 that Paul says in verse 20, "giving thanks always concerning all things in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, to God, even the Father". Once again emphasising that God is the Father, and the Father only.

Was Eve, literally part of Adam???

 

[JLB]

Proving Jesus is NOT God but a created, begotten Being.

Jesus is God; God the Son

Jesus created all things.


But to the Son He says:

“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
And:
“You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands. Hebrews 1:8-10

 

[Behold]

In conclusion, Jesus’ statement “I and the Father are one” in John 10:30 refers to their unity of purpose and mission, shared authority, and obedience to the Father’s will. It does not imply a claim to divine essence or substance,

Jesus said.. "If you've seen me... You've seen the Father".

I know you've read that Moses asked God for His Name, and God said.>>"I Am, that I Am"... and Jesus said the same about Himself when He told the Haters......>>>"before Abraham was (born)... I AM".. John 8.

 

[Behold]

There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. Genesis 6:4

Are you preparing to get on your usual rant about "Angels", soon?

 

[David in NJ]

..plus personal baptism is not biblical ,that you speak of here, therefore I ask again ..where in you do you know thatyou are Born Again and by whose testimony.?

Anyone can say they are Born Again by their own personal testimony...only a personal testimony is NOT biblical...therefore I rebuke your personal testimony, as you have attributed yourself to glory..

Taking away all Glory from God..

By the way this is your own personal testimony, which dose not line up with any scripture.on how we are Born Of The Spirit..

God says we must be Born Again to see the Kingdom Of God..

Spirit gives birth to spirit. = by supernatural divine heart revelation.

Many here can relate to your testimony David, because it’s personal..like theirs was.

I don’t believe your spirit is reborn....same as you don’t believe my spirit is reborn, apparently I’m a JW..yet you can’t back up your accusations using the penned word?
You can only finger point and make assumptions..

Plus I keep asking you where you know of God, how do you know that he exists, you can’t answer the question.,which seems pretty odd, if your spirit is reborn?

That’s why I don’t believe one word about the trinity that comes out of your mouth.i

You have yet to understand the Living spiritual rebirth, which is supernatural...plus the natural man has no understanding of spiritual matters as they are spiritually discerned..there’s quite a few here , who like you have personal testimonies, there are a few here who also like me who have Living testimonies.

The Hebrew word for Godis Elohim. The word Elohim is plural, but it is often used with a singular meaning. When used with a singular meaning in the Hebrew Bible, Elohim usually refers to the monotheistic Creator
God, or to the God of Israel, Yahweh.

By the way never heard of the word Elohim...neither do I have to ..to become Born Of The Spirit, that’s a Living supernatural birth.that comes by divine heart revelation.

Try and stay focused of the topic and not get personal ,then I will do the same, no one needs to read any Bible to be Born Of The Spirit / Born Again, as it’s a Living divine spirit birth.which you have no understanding of.as you can’t explain it using scripture.you just gave your own personal testimony.

Just challenge me with scripture, that’s all I’m asking m then I will do the same.

personal baptism is not biblical

REALLY???
Did the holy spirit tell you that???

 

[JLB]

The term "begotten" is understood in the context of Jesus' role as the king of Israel. This wording originates from Psalm 2:7, which is a coronation psalm read during the inauguration of a new king of Israel. The psalm is based on the Davidic covenant recorded in 2 Samuel 7, where God declares that Solomon, along with all the other kings of Israel, will be considered a son to Him, and He will be a father to them. The moment when the heir to the throne is anointed is the same moment when God says, "I have begotten you."

Out of all the kings of Israel, Jesus is very special and unique, which is why he is called the "monogenes" son—the one-of-a-kind son. Israel mistakenly assumed that the term "forever" in the context of the Davidic Covenant referred to the unbroken line of kings down through history, but David figured out that God meant to say that he would have a unique son that would live forever. Psalm 144. Hebrews 2:6

And Adam lived one hundred and thirty years, and begot a son in his own likeness, after his image, and named him Seth. Genesis 5:3


He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. Colossians 1:15-16


Did God create the heavens and the earth or did a Man?

 

[Behold]

In Genesis 6 He destroyed everything on earth except Noah and his family because the sons of God polluted the genetic bloodline by interbreeding with the daughters of men.

That's a cult teaching.

Another view is the "Sethite" teaching, the sons of God are the descendants of Seth..

So, this stuff is "rabbit trail" guesswork 101-A.

 

[Ritajanice]

REALLY???
Did the holy spirit tell you that???

I said it didn’t line up with scripture.your faith is very different to my faith.

Did the Sprit testify to your spirit that I’m not Born Again and a JEHOVAH WITNESS?

 

[Behold]

Did God create the heavens and the earth or did a Man?

Jesus pre-incarnate is.. the WORD, and God "spoke creation into existence".

Do that math, and find the answer, Reader.... .as "Let US.. .make man... in OUR Image".

This is why John 1:10, says that Jesus "Made the World".. and Colossians 1:16, expands this verse..