This makes no sense my friend, sorry.
I just understand that Jesus came forth out of Gods mouth, when he planted his seed into Mary’s womb.
Half God half human, i have no understanding of .
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I just understand that Jesus came forth out of Gods mouth, when he planted his seed into Mary’s womb.
Half God half human, i have no understanding of .
CadyandZoe
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Imagine if the author of a novel created a character in the story to represent himself. This character would act and speak exactly as the author would. Similarly, just as an author can create a character to embody their thoughts and actions, God created a human being in our reality to represent Him. Jesus is the human being in our reality, who represents God to us. He is God, translated into a human medium, answering the question, "What would God be like if he were human and walked among us"?
Hebrews 1:3 And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power.
St. SteVen
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St. SteVen said:
Would you agree that a person that has a human as a mother and God as father is half-human and half-God?
Or even 100% human and 100% God?
If you breed a Cocker Spaniel with a Poodle, you get a Cockapoo.
The resulting dog is half Cocker Spaniel and half Poodle
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Would you agree that a person that has a human as a mother and God as father is half-human and half-God?
Or even 100% human and 100% God?
Simple genetics.
If you breed a Cocker Spaniel with a Poodle, you get a Cockapoo.
The resulting dog is half Cocker Spaniel and half Poodle
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Taken
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The Living Lord Jesus, The Living Father, My Living Self and the Living…Sue, Jan, Mark, Connie, Julie, Ralph, George, Jerry, Jackie, Mike, Joanie, Flossie, Dianne, Tony, Brian, Shannon, Robert, Joey, Cory, Don, Sharon, Nancy, Bill, James, Scotty, Tim, Paul, Pam, David, and a whole host of others WHOM YOU do NOT Know have Heard my Testimony….and a Host of Living others have “Read” my testimony…
So What?
It was NOT “you” I exercised my FREEWILL to Establish a Spiritual Relationship WITH …
Rather … the Lord God Almighty and His Quickened Living saints.
Glory to God,
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SD: Either you want to know and learn scripture or that you want to keep broadcasting your ignorance of it, like many others on this site.
Pulling out one verse to suit and fit one's religious convictions and doctrines never amazes me. It is utter ignorance and at least intellectual dishonesty.
Take for example the meaning of Jesus’ statement “I and the Father are one” in John 10:30.
This is what it is, and has always meant since Jesus spoke these words concerning his ministry or mission of his Father, who is the one God. They were 'tight' and worked in harmony, as the Son was lead by his Father to the Cross.
These are the key points (as if you will really listen):
Unity of purpose: Jesus and the Father are united in their mission to care for the sheep (John 10:16, 27-28). This unity of purpose is emphasized throughout the Gospel of John, highlighting Jesus’ obedience to the Father’s will (John 5:30, 6:38, 8:28).
Shared authority: Jesus has been given authority by the Father to extend eternal life to those the Father has given Him (John 10:29, 17:2). This shared authority underscores their unity of purpose.
No claim to divine essence: The Greek word “hen” (one) used in John 10:30 does not imply a numerical oneness of essence or substance between Jesus and the Father. Instead, it emphasizes their unity of purpose and mission.
Comparison to Psalm 82: Jesus quotes Psalm 82:6, saying “You are gods” (John 10:34), to demonstrate that, as the Messiah, He has the authority to claim a special relationship with God, just as judges in Israel were referred to as “gods” (Exodus 21:6, Psalm 82:6).
No blasphemy: The Jewish leaders understood Jesus’ statement as a claim to equality with God, and they accused Him of blasphemy (John 10:33). However, Jesus’ statement was not blasphemy because it was true – He was acting in harmony with the Father’s will and authority. They never realized as also many so-called professing Christians today that the Father's Spirit was inside and worked with his Son, literally.
In conclusion, Jesus’ statement “I and the Father are one” in John 10:30 refers to their unity of purpose and mission, shared authority, and obedience to the Father’s will. It does not imply a claim to divine essence or substance, but rather emphasizes Jesus’ unique relationship with God as the Messiah.
All truly reborn persons yesterday and today taste this relationship with the Father, through his Son. They are one: in purpose and identity!
Are you one with God through his Son today?
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Not biblical.
Not biblical on how we are Born Of The Spirit, that’s why your understanding of the trinity is skewed..I will leave it there as I’ve made my point to you.,good day.
Sorry, nowhere in scripture does it say, that we have freewill to be Born Of The Spirit.
Your personal testimony belongs to you, as it glorifies self...there is no living testimony of the Spirit in your words.
A Born Again will always glorify the power of the Spirit, as the Living testimony indwells the heart/ spirit of Gods child.
Spirit gives birth to spirit = by supernatural divine heart revelation.
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St. SteVen
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St. SteVen said:
Would you agree that a person that has a human as a mother and God as father is half-human and half-God?
Or even 100% human and 100% God?
Matthew 8:27 NIV
The men were amazed and asked, “What kind of man is this? Even the winds and the waves obey him!”
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Would you agree that a person that has a human as a mother and God as father is half-human and half-God?
Or even 100% human and 100% God?
Consider this.
Matthew 8:27 NIV
The men were amazed and asked, “What kind of man is this? Even the winds and the waves obey him!”
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Hebrews 1
8 But to the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A [a]scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
Because the Spirits power indwelled his Spirit..,he was under God’s authority , he was the performing all these amazing acts through his Son, he couldn’t come down as he was could he and perform them ?
So he gave Jesus great authority and power on earth, just to show how powerful he is/was @St. SteVen
Human understanding , all discussions of this or that to prove one thing or the other all fail unless backed up by Scripture.
So grabbing this or that verse to say prove Christ is not God, fails completely when reading Hebrews 1:8.
And that is just one very clear verse, there are more like that.
So grabbing this or that verse to say prove Christ is not God, fails completely when reading Hebrews 1:8.
And that is just one very clear verse, there are more like that.
St. SteVen
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The Spirit Of His Father God.,not the Holy Spirit..he is Gods Living witness, who births Gods children, the Born Again.,he’s the helper that Jesus said would come in his name...he testifies Of Jesus to our spirit remember?
Wrangler
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This proves Jesus is NOT God.
The only reason something is in the form of something is that it is NOT that thing. For instance, my savings bank is in the form of a pig.
My savings bank is NOT a pig.
We’re not talking dogs here.,were talking spiritual matters...,almighty God, not a darn dog.
Wrangler
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Enduring Word Bible Commentary Hebrews Chapter 1
David Guzik commentary on Hebrews 1, in which the author declares that Jesus is the superior Savior, as proven by the Scriptures.
enduringword.com
Enduring Word Bible Commentary Hebrews Chapter 1
David Guzik commentary on Hebrews 1, in which the author declares that Jesus is the superior Savior, as proven by the Scriptures.
enduringword.com
3. (8-12) Jesus is superior to the angels because the Father Himself calls Him (and not any angel) God and LORD (Yahweh), as shown in Psalm 45:6-7 and 102:25-27 from the Septuagint.
But to the Son He says:“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
And:
“You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands.
They will perish, but You remain;
And they will all grow old like a garment;
Like a cloak You will fold them up,
And they will be changed.
But You are the same,
And Your years will not fail.”
a. But to the Son He says: Again, the emphasis is that God the Father says things to God the Son that are never said to angelic beings.
b. Your throne, O God: Psalm 45:6-7 plainly says that God the Father calls the Son God. When the First Person of the Trinity spoke to the Second Person of the Trinity, He called Him God. This is unique and powerful evidence of the deity of Jesus.
i. Some argue that there are many beings called “gods” in the Bible such as Satan (2 Corinthians 4:4) and earthly judges (Psalm 82:1 and 6). But these others are supposed gods, pretenders to their throne. If Jesus is not the true God, He is a false god, like Satan and the wicked judges of Psalm 82.
ii. But Jesus is the True and Living God, called so here by God the Father; and also by John in John 1:1, by Thomas in John 20:28, and by Paul in Titus 2:13 and Titus 3:4.
c. Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You: This passage shows striking interaction between the Persons of the Trinity. “God, Your God” speaks of the Father and His position of authority over the Second Person of the Trinity. “You” refers to the Son. “Anointed” has in mind the ministry and presence of the Holy Spirit, the Third Person of the Trinity.
d. You, LORD, in the beginning: Psalm 102:25-27 shows that the Son is not only called God, but also LORD (Yahweh). Then the Son is described with attributes and terms that belong only to God.
i. You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth: This shows that Jesus Christ, the Second Person of the Trinity, is the Creator. Yahweh is specifically said to be the Creator (Isaiah 45:12, Isaiah 45:18).
ii. They will perish, but You will remain: This shows that Jesus Christ, the Second Person of the Trinity is self-existent, even as Psalm 102:25-27 says this of Yahweh.
iii. Like a cloak You will fold them up, and they will be changed: This shows that Jesus Christ, the Second Person of the Trinity is sovereign, with authority over all creation and history, even as Psalm 102:25-27 says this of Yahweh.
iv. You are the same: This shows that Jesus Christ, the Second Person of the Trinity is immutable, unchanging, and eternal (Your years will not fail). Psalm 102:25-27 says this of Yahweh and the writer to the Hebrews says that it clearly applies to Jesus as well.
Wrangler
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Trinitarians say it to themselves so often, they no longer grasp how it violates the Law of Identity.
How they rationalize this is to falsely equate the Supreme Being as one among types of life forms. Such as a generic horse begetting another horse. However, at the next level of detail, Secretariat does not beget himself.
Everyone knows this is true.
Psalm 45, the Holy Spirit in Hebrews 1:8 says is describing Jesus the Son as God.
Here it is
Psalm 45
1 My heart is overflowing with a good theme;
I recite my composition concerning the King;
My tongue is the pen of a [c]ready writer.
2 You are fairer than the sons of men;
Grace is poured upon Your lips;
Therefore God has blessed You forever.
3 [d]Gird Your sword upon Your thigh, O Mighty One,
With Your glory and Your majesty.
4 And in Your majesty ride prosperously because of truth, humility, and righteousness;
And Your right hand shall teach You awesome things.
5 Your arrows are sharp in the heart of the King’s enemies;
The peoples fall under You.
6 Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
7 You love righteousness and hate wickedness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.
Here it is
Psalm 45
1 My heart is overflowing with a good theme;
I recite my composition concerning the King;
My tongue is the pen of a [c]ready writer.
2 You are fairer than the sons of men;
Grace is poured upon Your lips;
Therefore God has blessed You forever.
3 [d]Gird Your sword upon Your thigh, O Mighty One,
With Your glory and Your majesty.
4 And in Your majesty ride prosperously because of truth, humility, and righteousness;
And Your right hand shall teach You awesome things.
5 Your arrows are sharp in the heart of the King’s enemies;
The peoples fall under You.
6 Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
7 You love righteousness and hate wickedness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.
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