The timing of the battle of Armageddon

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Douggg

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So, the problem is your statement is your private understanding and as such it is not based on the sequences that the scriptures provide.

So, then your diagrams are a fraudulent representation of the scriptures based on your own private understanding.
Then show your timeline diagram of Ezekiel 39 from verse 1 to verse 29.


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Where are you coming up with that statement ?

Canaan is where the beast resides today.

Daniel 8:9
Then from one of the prominent horns came a small horn whose power grew very great. It extended toward the south and the east and toward the glorious land of Israel.

The Christ deniers who's names are not written followed after the beast from.all nations after the deadly wound was healed.


Revelation 13
One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was filled with wonder and followed the beast.


The Jews in Israel followed the beast from.all nations ,tongues and peoples.

Beast received deadly wound in 70 AD
Deadly wound was healed in 1948.
 

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Canaan is where the beast resides today.

Daniel 8:9
Then from one of the prominent horns came a small horn whose power grew very great. It extended toward the south and the east and toward the glorious land of Israel.
Canaan is north of Israel, not north west of Israel.

The Christ deniers who's names are not written followed after the beast from.all nations after the deadly wound was healed.

Revelation 13
One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was filled with wonder and followed the beast.

The Jews in Israel followed the beast from.all nations ,tongues and peoples.

Beast received deadly wound in 70 AD
Deadly wound was healed in 1948.
The mortally wounded but healed head does not appear on the beast until the middle of the 7 year 70th week, which that king (the beast-king) rules the last 42 months of. Revelation 13:5.

The beast-king is still future.
 

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Canaan is north of Israel, not north west of Israel.


The mortally wounded but healed head does not appear on the beast until the middle of the 7 year 70th week, which that king (the beast-king) rules the last 42 months of. Revelation 13:5.

The beast-king is still future.
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The area in green is Canaan.The land where the beast is.

The beast is in the land of Canaan today.You claim God will save the beast and deliver the beast from Gog.

You cant tell the difference between an evil government and the government of God.

You can't tell the difference between the Israelis who keep the covenant of God and them who break it.You teach God will deliver them who reject the covenant.The evil antichrist Israeli government and it's people it has gathered.
 
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Canaan is north of Israel, not north west of Israel.


The mortally wounded but healed head does not appear on the beast until the middle of the 7 year 70th week, which that king (the beast-king) rules the last 42 months of. Revelation 13:5.

The beast-king is still future.
The beast reigns before the 42 months start.
The 42 months begin after the false prophet arrives to support the beast
 

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The area in green is Canaan.The land where the beast is.
The beast-king is time of the end. The map you posted is of Canaan of long, long, long ago, 2000 year BC. It has shrank over time. And there is no country today called Canaan .

The beast is in the land of Canaan today.You claim God will save the beast and deliver the beast from Gog.
There is no Canaan nation in today's time. And I never said God will save the beast and deliver the beast from Gog.

You can't tell the difference between the Israelis who keep the covenant of God and them who break it.You teach God will deliver them who reject the covenant.The evil antichrist Israeli government and it's people it has gathered.
The Jews en masse will turn to Jesus and the gospel of salvation in the middle part of the 7 year 70th week, in Revelation 12:10.
 

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The beast-king is time of the end. The map you posted is of Canaan of long, long, long ago, 2000 year BC. It has shrank over time. And there is no country today called Canaan .


There is no Canaan nation in today's time. And I never said God will save the beast and deliver the beast from Gog.


The Jews en masse will turn to Jesus and the gospel of salvation in the middle part of the 7 year 70th week, in Revelation 12:10.
Ok,so you don't know where Canaan is.
I had assumed you would as most people do.You have proven you don't know where it is.



No,,antichrist Jews don't turn to Jesus.They turn to Benjamin netanyahu.They turn to the beast,the image of the beast and take the mark of the beast.

They also beat,imprison and kill Jesus followers throughout all the cities of Israel till Jesus comes.

Revelation 12 has nothing to do with antichrist Jews turning to Jesus. They would kill him.if they could.They hate Jesus name in the land of Israel.Thats why messianic Jews are hated there.




Revelation 12
And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night
 
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Ok,so you don't know where Canaan is.
I had assumed you would as most people do.You have proven you don't know where it is.
Canaan is in the history books.

No,,antichrist Jews don't turn to Jesus.They turn to Benjamin netanyahu.They turn to the beast,the image of the beast and take the mark of the beast.
So how does Benjamin Netanyahu's name add to the 666 ?

The little horn person who evolves into the beast-king comes from the fourth kingdom, that of iron, in Daniel 7, the Roman Empire. In the end times the Roman Empire has manifested itself as the EU.

Revelation 12 has nothing to do with antichrist Jews turning to Jesus. They would kill him.if they could.They hate Jesus name in the land of Israel.Thats why messianic Jews are hated there.
The woman all through Daniel 12 is Israel.
 

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No one else has replied to your post.

That is true, but if I had offended other members, they would have responded with their rebuttal to my post.

Nothing in the text of the bible about the kings of the earth being cast into the bottomless pit. Especially for a period of 1000 years.

What kings of the earth are you talking about ?

It seems that you have not taken note of the many times I have quoted Isaiah 24:21-22, which tells us that the Heavenly hosts and the Kings of the earth are judged at the same time, and they are gathered together and imprisoned in a pit for many days to await the time of their punishment. Now if the heavenly hosts, i.e. Satan and the beasts of Daniel 7:1-12 and the kings of the earth are imprisoned in a pit, and Revelation tells us that that Satan and the beasts of Daniel 7:1-12 all rise up out of the Bottomless pit, then logically the judged kings of the earth who are judged at the same time, as per Isaiah 24:21-22, are also imprisoned in the Bottomless Pit.

What or who are the kings of the earth that will be judged and go into the bottomless pit? They are the kings of the earth who will assemble at Armageddon to be judged in around another 20 years' time from now just after the 2,300 years of the Trampling of God's Sanctuary and His earthly Hosts comes to its conclusion/completion.

There is another clue in Ezekiel 34:25 when Isaiah 24:21-22 will take place,
The proper sequence is... Gog/Magog..... then the seven years of Ezekiel 39:9......then Armagedddon (at Jesus's Second Coming).

After the final rebellion in Revelation 20, after Satan is released from the bottomless pit - where are those 7 years of Ezekiel 39:9 in the text of Revelation 20?

Ezekiel 39
Ezekiel 39:1-6....... the destruction of Gog's armies
Ezekiel 39:9..... 7 years following that destruction. Of which, Israel spends the first 7 months burying the the dead of Gog's army.

Those things are not in Revelation 20 because Gog/Magog of Ezekiel 38-39 is not after the 1000 years are over.

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Ezekiel 34:25: - “I will make a covenant of peace with them and cause wild beasts to cease from the land; and they will dwell safely in the wilderness and sleep in the woods.​

A better translation of "wild beasts" in this verse is "evil beasts" where the evil beasts is a reference to the Heavenly Beasts of Daniel 7:1-12 who are removed from the face of the earth at the same time that God begins gathering Israel to Himself and we know that this is just after the end of this present age in around 20 years' time from now.

The proper sequence is... Gog/Magog..... then the seven years of Ezekiel 39:9......then Armagedddon (at Jesus's Second Coming).

After the final rebellion in Revelation 20, after Satan is released from the bottomless pit - where are those 7 years of Ezekiel 39:9 in the text of Revelation 20?

Ezekiel 39
Ezekiel 39:1-6....... the destruction of Gog's armies
Ezekiel 39:9..... 7 years following that destruction. Of which, Israel spends the first 7 months burying the the dead of Gog's army.

Those things are not in Revelation 20 because Gog/Magog of Ezekiel 38-39 is not after the 1000 years are over.

Douggg, this is your private understanding, and it is a mismatch of your ideas as to when all of these events will take place.

I read on this forum that I am not the only one who is telling you this.

Goodbye
 

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Then show your timeline diagram of Ezekiel 39 from verse 1 to verse 29.

There is no point Douggg, because you will not accept that all of your diagrams are a representation of your private understandings and as such they are wrong.

Goodbye once again
 

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That is true, but if I had offended other members, they would have responded with their rebuttal to my post.
Jay, they just don't want to take the time to respond to your post because it covers too many topics and your position to those topic is too complex to absorb.

It seems that you have not taken note of the many times I have quoted Isaiah 24:21-22, which tells us that the Heavenly hosts and the Kings of the earth are judged at the same time, and they are gathered together and imprisoned in a pit for many days to await the time of their punishment.
Isaiah 24: 21 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.

22 And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days shall they be visited.

The high ones (in the kjv) is talking about the rebellious angels in higher places than earth in those verses. As well as the kings of the earth upon the earth. Not human kings. but angels that operate in certain regions on the earth, angels like the prince of Persia and the prince of Greece in Daniel 10:20.

It does not say in the bottomless pit in Isaiah 24:22, but let's say the pit in the text is the bottomless pit. It is not talking about human kings being retained there. But rebellious angels.
Ezekiel 34:25: - “I will make a covenant of peace with them and cause wild beasts to cease from the land; and they will dwell safely in the wilderness and sleep in the woods.
A better translation of "wild beasts" in this verse is "evil beasts" where the evil beasts is a reference to the Heavenly Beasts of Daniel 7:1-12 who are removed from the face of the earth at the same time that God begins gathering Israel to Himself and we know that this is just after the end of this present age in around 20 years' time from now.
No, look at verse 25. The wild beasts in verse 25 is referred to heathen, wicked men. The beast of the land in that day is talking about the beast-king occupying Israel for 42 months.

28 And they shall no more be a prey to the heathen, neither shall the beast of the land devour them; but they shall dwell safely, and none shall make them afraid.
 

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There is no point Douggg, because you will not accept that all of your diagrams are a representation of your private understandings and as such they are wrong.
A diagram by you of the verses of Ezekiel 39 - is not any diagram by me. Calling my diagrams as being due to private understandings is meaningless chatter. Produce your own diagram of the verses of Ezekiel 39 and post it.

I don't think you can... and have it fit into post millennium scenario.
 

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Canaan is in the history books.


So how does Benjamin Netanyahu's name add to the 666 ?

The little horn person who evolves into the beast-king comes from the fourth kingdom, that of iron, in Daniel 7, the Roman Empire. In the end times the Roman Empire has manifested itself as the EU.


The woman all through Daniel 12 is Israel.
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Rome is not the fourth beast to rise in the kingdom.

The little horn came up among the ten other horns in 1948.The little horn defeated three of those horns in 1967 to take the seven hilled city.

The little horns kingdom wiil be consumed and then given to the saints of God where they will reign with Christ .

Daniel 7
24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.






I'm sure you believe the saints will reign with Christ in Rome but that is not the kingdom under heaven that is taken and given to the saints.Its actually the land promised to Abrahams seed,which is Christ.The land the little horn dwells in today.
 

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A diagram by you of the verses of Ezekiel 39 - is not any diagram by me. Calling my diagrams as being due to private understandings is meaningless chatter. Produce your own diagram of the verses of Ezekiel 39 and post it.
Why not just post the word of God instead of diagrams?
 

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Jay, they just don't want to take the time to respond to your post because it covers too many topics and your position to those topic is too complex to absorb.


Isaiah 24: 21 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.

22 And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days shall they be visited.

The high ones (in the kjv) is talking about the rebellious angels in higher places than earth in those verses. As well as the kings of the earth upon the earth. Not human kings. but angels that operate in certain regions on the earth, angels like the prince of Persia and the prince of Greece in Daniel 10:20.

It does not say in the bottomless pit in Isaiah 24:22, but let's say the pit in the text is the bottomless pit. It is not talking about human kings being retained there. But rebellious angels.

No, look at verse 25. The wild beasts in verse 25 is referred to heathen, wicked men. The beast of the land in that day is talking about the beast-king occupying Israel for 42 months.

28 And they shall no more be a prey to the heathen, neither shall the beast of the land devour them; but they shall dwell safely, and none shall make them afraid.

Douggg, it is a pointless activity trying to reason with you any further as you cannot see past the end of your nose.

You believe that your understanding is above reproach and therefore it could not possibly be wrong. Fortunately, I am not the only one who is pointing out to you your errors in your private understandings.

One can only take a horse to the water trough, they cannot force the horse to drink if it does not want to.
 

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Douggg, it is a pointless activity trying to reason with you any further as you cannot see past the end of your nose.

You believe that your understanding is above reproach and therefore it could not possibly be wrong. Fortunately, I am not the only one who is pointing out to you your errors in your private understandings.

One can only take a horse to the water trough, they cannot force the horse to drink if it does not want to.
more meaningless chatter.
 

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Rome is not the fourth beast to rise in the kingdom.

The little horn came up among the ten other horns in 1948.The little horn defeated three of those horns in 1967 to take the seven hilled city.
You did not answer the question...

How does Benjamin Netayahu's name total 666 ?
 

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I don't think you can... and have it fit into post millennium scenario.

Douggg, creating a diagram as you want does not prove anything. You have already shown that you have Armageddon and the Gog/Magog events in the wrong order and are demanding that I produce a diagram because you have.

I have better things to do. If you cannot get your laughing matter around my posts because you claim that they are to complex, then how do you think other readers feel about your posts because of how you have jumbled the fact up to suit your private understanding.