The Resurrection = the Commencement of the millennium

[Zao is life]

It's too bad some interpreters seem incapable of thinking outside of the box at times. I'm not suggesting they never think outside of the box, I'm only meaning in some cases they apparently don't, otherwise they wouldn't be coming to some of the absurd conclusions they do at times, but would be using Scripture to interpret Scripture instead.

Let's take this thief on the cross, as an example, and let's then pay close attention to what the thief said and what Jesus didn't say.

Luke 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

Revelation 2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

Revelation 22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

There is obviously a connection here between all of these passages and what the thief said per the following below shows us how they are connected, the fact Christ never corrected him about anything, therefore, there was nothing to be corrected about.

Luke 23:42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.
43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

Obviously, kingdom and paradise are meaning the same thing. Obviously, Christ never came into His kingdom upon death, and that the thief said to remember him when He comes into His kingdom. And that Christ then says---Verily I say unto thee To day, shalt thou be with me in paradise--and not this instead--Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise. Or maybe it even could mean the latter but not the way some typically take it to mean. It could simply mean that that very day, the thief's fate was sealed and assured, that when Christ comes into his kingdom in the future, meaning when the NJ that comes down from God out of heaven, the thief will be in paradise with Him as well.

Otherwise we have to assume utter nonsense, such as Christ coming into His kingdom upon death if we take verse 43 to mean that very same day.

Clearly, both Revelation 2:7 and Revelation 22:1-22 identify the paradise meant in Luke 23:43. Therefore, what Jesus said in verse 43 was prophetic in nature and meaning when He bodily returns in the end of this age, that being when He is coming in His kingdom.

The Greek words agree with what you say above:

G 3588 O ("The") (Definite article)
G 2250 hemera ("Day")
G4594 semeron ("The day")

-- "And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day (G4594 semeron - "The day") shalt thou be with me in paradise." -- Luke 23:42-43

4594
σήμερον
shvmeron semeron {say'-mer-on}
neuter (as adverb) of a presumed compound of the article 3588 (t changed to s) and 2250; on the (i.e. this) day (or night current or just passed); generally, now (i.e. at present, hitherto):--this (to-)day.
see GREEK for 3588
see GREEK for 2250

-- "And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, THE DAY shalt thou be with me in paradise." --

So it means what in modern English we would call "on that day".

 

[Zao is life]

Before assuming that ascending into heaven in a cloud is being rewarded for tormenting others,it would be best to understand the nature of the cloud that is ascending into heaven at the time of their departure.

I had assumed the same thing you do several years ago.

The two witnesses are a throw-back to God's two witnesses in Egypt and they will not be tormenting those who do not have the mark of the beast, but only those who do.

Moses and Aaron were God's two witnesses in Egypt. They too brought plagues of locusts by the power of God upon Egypt, and caused the water to turn to blood, etc.

God's people were kept from being harmed by the plagues:

Even more importantly, God's people were kept from the last plague to come upon Egypt (the death of the firstborn) through their faith in THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB. The angel of death passed over the houses of all those who had the blood of the Lamb sprinkled on their doorposts. The very next day God's people departed in haste, with their unleavened bread.

For example, those who have faith in the blood of the Lamb have the seal of God on their foreheads. The locusts will not harm them. The "locusts" that John saw coming out of the smoke that came out of the abyss are commanded to hurt:

"Only those men who do not have the seal of God in their foreheads, and to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months. And in those days men will seek death and will not find it. And they will long to die, and death will flee from them." (Revelation 9:1-12).

"And the ones who dwell on the earth will rejoice over [Christ's two witnesses who had been killed by the beast who ascended from out of the abyss], and will make merry, and will send one another gifts, because these two prophets tormented those living on the earth." (Revelation 11:10).​

Those who refuse to worship the beast will be killed by the beast, according to Revelation 13.

Your statements are not based alone on what is written, tailgator. They are based on speculation added to scripture, which is derived out of comparing scripture with what is possible in terms of modern day warfare.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Commas were added that we might better understand. Ignore the comma's altogether, it reads, "And he said unto Jesus Lord remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. And Jesus said unto him Verily I say unto thee To day shalt thou be with me in paradise."

Of course Christ received His Kingdom in heaven after His body died. His spirit returned to the Father in heaven where He received a Kingdom, an everlasting dominion which shall never pass away and shall not be destroyed.

Daniel 7:13-14 (KJV) I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

We know the Kingdom Christ received when His spirit returned to heaven is not physical, because Christ's body still lay in the tomb dead for three days. The Kingdom Christ received in heaven is not physical, but spiritual. You don't understand the spiritual Kingdom of God in heaven because you only have eyes to believe that which you can physically see. But just as Christ has told us, His Kingdom is not a visible Kingdom because it cannot be seen with natural sight.

We also know the Kingdom Christ received when His spirit returned to heaven is not of this earth because this earth shall be destroyed through the that shall come down from God out of heaven. The text is clear the Kingdom Christ received "shall not be destroyed."

Exactly. It seems that premils do not want to even acknowledge the current existence of His kingdom, which is ridiculous. He is our King right NOW! How could any Christian think otherwise?

Romans 15:12 And again, Esaias saith, There shall be a root of Jesse, and he that shall rise to reign over the Gentiles; in him shall the Gentiles trust.

Colossians 1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: 13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Here in Mathew 24 Jesus talks about his servants at the time of the end.The same time frame as the two witnesses.


Mathew 24
48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;

49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;

50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,

51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.



Some of Jesus's servants don't seem to be doing what they should at the time of the end.
Hanging around with a drunken prostitute and smiting fellow servants is not what Jesus tells his witnesses to do in the gospel.


Can you tell by reading what the two witnesses do,if they are doing as Jesus commands us to do in the gospel,?
Are they doing unto others as they would have done to themselves?

Does Jesus command that we should torment other people and kill.them as the two witnesses do?

Why do you take that literally? You think there will actually be two guys walking around literally blowing fire out of their mouths that kills people? LOL! No, it's symbolically presenting the powerful preaching of the gospel which torments those who reject it.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The heart of the earth obviously basically means in the center of it.

No, it absolutely does not mean that. It is a figurative reference for the grave. The place where people are buried under the earth's surface. The human heart is NOT in the center of the body, but it IS under and within the outer part of the body. Likewise, the heart of the earth is not on the surface of the earth, but rather under the surface of the earth where tombs and graves are. Where His body would be for 3 days and 3 nights. That's it. Matthew 12:40 is only talking about His body being buried for three days and three nights and is not saying anything beyond that.
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If you think that His spirit went to the center of the earth instead of to paradise, as scripture teaches, then you are clearly prone to believing wive's tales. The spiritual realm is located apart from the earth, not under or within it. Jesus clearly said "Father, to Thy hands I commit my spirit" (Luke 23:46) when He died, so why would you think His spirit went anywhere else besides paradise when He died?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I agree. I don't not what the deal is with some of these Amils? They insist Jesus' soul went to heaven instead.

The soul and spirit are not separated from each other (Hebrews 4:12). Where did Jesus's spirit go when He died? To the Father. Where is the Father? In heaven ("Our Father who art in heaven..."). So, I don't know what YOUR deal is with saying that His soul didn't go to heaven when He died.

Luke 23:46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

 

[Davidpt]

They are going up to Jesus to receive their reward for tormenting other people.


Revelation 14
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

In some of these other posts though, you were giving the impression that the 2Ws were doing evil deeds in the eyes of God at times. Or at least that's how those posts came across. But maybe you were meaning it in a different manner? Such as, God was pleased with what they were doing, not displeased. If the former, I fully agree. But if the latter, I don't.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

In some of these other posts though, you were giving the impression that the 2Ws were doing evil deeds in the eyes of God at times. Or at least that's how those posts came across. But maybe you were meaning it in a different manner? Such as, God was pleased with what they were doing, not displeased. If the former, I fully agree. But if the latter, I don't.

Look at the passage he quoted to support what he was saying, which is Revelation 14:9-11. He is saying he believes that the two witnesses will end up in the lake of fire which has to be the most ridiculous belief imaginable.

 

[Davidpt]

The Greek words agree with what you say above:

G 3588 O ("The") (Definite article)
G 2250 hemera ("Day")
G4594 semeron ("The day")

-- "And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day (G4594 semeron - "The day") shalt thou be with me in paradise." -- Luke 23:42-43

4594
σήμερον
shvmeron semeron {say'-mer-on}
neuter (as adverb) of a presumed compound of the article 3588 (t changed to s) and 2250; on the (i.e. this) day (or night current or just passed); generally, now (i.e. at present, hitherto):--this (to-)day.
see GREEK for 3588
see GREEK for 2250

-- "And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, THE DAY shalt thou be with me in paradise." --

So it means what in modern English we would call "on that day".

What we have to keep in mind about this is that where the tree of life is, that is where paradise is. And where does Revelation 22 locate the tree of life? In the new Jerusalem after it comes down from God out of heaven. Just like the tree of life was in the midst of paradise in the beginning, meaning the garden of Eden in this case, so will it be in the midst of paradise yet again in the future, meaning the new Jerusalem in this case. And that it not reasonable to not take the NJ to mean His kingdom He comes into. It is then a matter of, when does He come into His kingdom since that is when the thief asked Jesus to remember him, when He comes into His kingdom?

Did Jesus come into His kingdom upon death? Of course not. Are some going to argue that His kingdom that He comes into that it is not also meaning paradise?

I would hope not. Therefore, when the thief said kingdom and Jesus said paradise, they were on the same page, and not, that the thief was referring to one thing and that Jesus was referring to something entirely different. This kingdom and paradise can only mean one thing, the new Jerusalem when it comes down from God out of heaven. And if wasn't for the book of Revelation, thus Scripture interpreting Scripture, we wouldn't even know this. We would be wrongly assuming heaven above is meant by paradise here. And some still assume that, apparently. What the thief said is then relevant because it is not remotely reasonable that the moment Jesus died, He then went into His kingdom at the time.

 

[Davidpt]

Look at the passage he quoted to support what he was saying, which is Revelation 14:9-11. He is saying he believes that the two witnesses will end up in the lake of fire which has to be the most ridiculous belief imaginable.

In that case I'm probably better off not reading any more of his posts from now on. I was right right all along about him then. When he said they ascended in order to torment, I thought maybe he was meaning they get to help Christ and His angels do that. But you're saying he is saying they ascend in order to not help torment others, but to be tormented themselves, right? Or something like that.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

What we have to keep in mind about this is that where the tree of life is, that is where paradise is. And where does Revelation 22 locate the tree of life? In the new Jerusalem after it comes down from God out of heaven. Just like the tree of life was in the midst of paradise in the beginning, meaning the garden of Eden in this case, so will it be in the midst of paradise yet again in the future, meaning the new Jerusalem in this case. And that it not reasonable to not take the NJ to mean His kingdom He comes into. It is then matter of, when does He come into His kingdom since that is when the thief asked Jesus to remember him, when He comes into His kingdom.

Did Jesus come into His kingdom upon death? Of course not. Are some going to argue that His kingdom that He comes into that it is not also meaning paradise?
I would hope not. Therefore, when the thief said kingdom and Jesus said paradise, they were on the same page, and not, that the thief was referring to one thing and that Jesus was referring to something entirely different. This kingdom and paradise can only mean thing, the new Jerusalem when it comes down from God out of heaven. And if wasn't for the book of Revelation, thus Scripture interpreting Scripture, we wouldn't even know this. We would be wrongly assuming heaven above is meant by paradise here. And some still assume that, apparently. What the thief said is then relevant because it is not remotely reasonable that the moment Jesus died, He then went into His kingdom at the time.

Do you think that Christ's kingdom does not yet exist in any way, shape or form?

Is it your belief that the soul and spirit of the thief on the cross and other believers are not in paradise right now? If so, where do you think they are?

It seems like you are saying that the thief on the cross will not see Jesus in any way, shape or form until the New Jerusalem comes down from heaven. Is that what you're intending to say?

It seems that you believe in soul sleep. Is that true?

I don't want to make any assumptions based on what you said here, so that's why I'm asking these questions for clarification.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

In that case I'm probably better off not reading any more of his posts from now on. I was right right all along about him then. When he said they ascended in order to torment, I thought maybe he was meaning they get to help Christ and His angels do that.

No, he doesn't mean that. He thinks the two witnesses literally torment and kill people and since Christ did not call for His people to torment and kill others, he believes they will be punished for that.

But, he's missing that the description of them having fire coming out of their mouths and such is all symbolic and should not be taken literally.

But you're saying he is saying they ascend in order to not help torment others, but to be tormented themselves, right? Or something like that.

Yes, he is saying the two witnesses will be tormented in the lake of fire because of their sins of supposedly tormenting and killing others, which is obviously completely ludicrous. Nowhere does it indicate that they do anything besides what God wants them to do.

I'll tell you something else about this guy. In one post I used a passage that Paul wrote to support a point I was making and he completely disregarded my point because he said Paul didn't have the full revelation of Bible prophecy like John did. Which is absurd. We can fully trust in what Paul taught regarding Bible prophecy and he was not lacking in knowledge in that area at all. So, when you see someone like him undermining Paul like that, you know you can't trust anything he says.

 

[tailgator]

The two witnesses are a throw-back to God's two witnesses in Egypt and they will not be tormenting those who do not have the mark of the beast, but only those who do.

Moses and Aaron were God's two witnesses in Egypt. They too brought plagues of locusts by the power of God upon Egypt, and caused the water to turn to blood, etc.

God's people were kept from being harmed by the plagues:

Even more importantly, God's people were kept from the last plague to come upon Egypt (the death of the firstborn) through their faith in THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB. The angel of death passed over the houses of all those who had the blood of the Lamb sprinkled on their doorposts. The very next day God's people departed in haste, with their unleavened bread.

For example, those who have faith in the blood of the Lamb have the seal of God on their foreheads. The locusts will not harm them. The "locusts" that John saw coming out of the smoke that came out of the abyss are commanded to hurt:

"Only those men who do not have the seal of God in their foreheads, and to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months. And in those days men will seek death and will not find it. And they will long to die, and death will flee from them." (Revelation 9:1-12).

"And the ones who dwell on the earth will rejoice over [Christ's two witnesses who had been killed by the beast who ascended from out of the abyss], and will make merry, and will send one another gifts, because these two prophets tormented those living on the earth." (Revelation 11:10).​

Those who refuse to worship the beast will be killed by the beast, according to Revelation 13.

Your statements are not based alone on what is written, tailgator. They are based on speculation added to scripture, which is derived out of comparing scripture with what is possible in terms of modern day warfare.

I see you have not noticed the beast which comes out of the bottomless pit is not the beast which comes out of the sea.

No one recieves a mark of the beast which ascends out of the bottomless pit because he has no mark.


The beast which came out of the sea is the beast the two witnesses will be helping.Tye beast which comes out of the bottomless pit is the beast which hates the prostitute who worships the beast from the sea.


Your not going to understand till you realize the beast which came out of the sea is not the beast which ascends from the bottomless pit.

And if you can hear it,the beast which came out of the sea is already in Jerusalem..It has already received its deadly wound and has already been healed.Its right there waiting the arrival of the two witnesses and their army which will most likely arrive next year.

 

[tailgator]

In some of these other posts though, you were giving the impression that the 2Ws were doing evil deeds in the eyes of God at times. Or at least that's how those posts came across. But maybe you were meaning it in a different manner? Such as, God was pleased with what they were doing, not displeased. If the former, I fully agree. But if the latter, I don't.

Really,?

These two witnesses are witnesses of Jesus Christ.
They are supposed to be doing what Jesus tells them in the gospel because Jesus is their Lord same as ours.


Can you show me from.the gospel of Jesus Christ where Jesus commands his disciples to torment and kill other people,?

No ,ands ,if or buts.
Just quote the word of Jesus Christ commanding his disciples to torment and kill other people.

 

[tailgator]

The two witnesses are a throw-back to God's two witnesses in Egypt and they will not be tormenting those who do not have the mark of the beast, but only those who do.

Moses and Aaron were God's two witnesses in Egypt. They too brought plagues of locusts by the power of God upon Egypt, and caused the water to turn to blood, etc.

God's people were kept from being harmed by the plagues:

Even more importantly, God's people were kept from the last plague to come upon Egypt (the death of the firstborn) through their faith in THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB. The angel of death passed over the houses of all those who had the blood of the Lamb sprinkled on their doorposts. The very next day God's people departed in haste, with their unleavened bread.

For example, those who have faith in the blood of the Lamb have the seal of God on their foreheads. The locusts will not harm them. The "locusts" that John saw coming out of the smoke that came out of the abyss are commanded to hurt:

"Only those men who do not have the seal of God in their foreheads, and to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months. And in those days men will seek death and will not find it. And they will long to die, and death will flee from them." (Revelation 9:1-12).

"And the ones who dwell on the earth will rejoice over [Christ's two witnesses who had been killed by the beast who ascended from out of the abyss], and will make merry, and will send one another gifts, because these two prophets tormented those living on the earth." (Revelation 11:10).​

Those who refuse to worship the beast will be killed by the beast, according to Revelation 13.

Your statements are not based alone on what is written, tailgator. They are based on speculation added to scripture, which is derived out of comparing scripture with what is possible in terms of modern day warfare.

Modern day warfare is what the two witnesses do.

They arrive in Israel 42 months before the time of the end which would be about here.

Daniel 11:31
31 “His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress and will abolish the daily sacrifice. Then they will set up the abomination that causes desolation.


They have power over many for 1260 days and the smite the earth with plages as often as they will.

Daniel 11:39
39 He will attack the mightiest fortresses with the help of a foreign god and will greatly honor those who acknowledge him. He will make them rulers over many people and will distribute the land at a price.[a]


They are attacked and killed here.

Daniel 11:40
40 “At the time of the end the king of the South will engage him in battle, and the king of the North will storm out against him with chariots and cavalry and a great fleet of ships. He will invade many countries and sweep through them like a flood.


They are resurected right here.

Daniel 12:2
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.



I told you they have power given to them just as God gave power to Pontis Pilate.They give orders to the armed forces.

Revelation 11
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

Fire commands are oral orders issued by leaders to focus and distribute fires as required achieving decisive effects against the enemy. They allow leaders to rapidly and concisely articulate their firing instructions using a standard format (Refer to TC 3-20.31-4 for more information).



As I said before,they have power given to them just as Pontis Pilate had power given to him.

John ,19:11
Jesus answered, “You would have no power over me if it were not given to you from above. Therefore the one who handed me over to you is guilty of a greater sin.”







They will probably be arriving in Israel next year.After Trump is reelected.Trump wants to save Israel.

 

[tailgator]

The two witnesses are a throw-back to God's two witnesses in Egypt and they will not be tormenting those who do not have the mark of the beast, but only those who do.

Moses and Aaron were God's two witnesses in Egypt. They too brought plagues of locusts by the power of God upon Egypt, and caused the water to turn to blood, etc.

God's people were kept from being harmed by the plagues:

Even more importantly, God's people were kept from the last plague to come upon Egypt (the death of the firstborn) through their faith in THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB. The angel of death passed over the houses of all those who had the blood of the Lamb sprinkled on their doorposts. The very next day God's people departed in haste, with their unleavened bread.

For example, those who have faith in the blood of the Lamb have the seal of God on their foreheads. The locusts will not harm them. The "locusts" that John saw coming out of the smoke that came out of the abyss are commanded to hurt:

"Only those men who do not have the seal of God in their foreheads, and to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months. And in those days men will seek death and will not find it. And they will long to die, and death will flee from them." (Revelation 9:1-12).

"And the ones who dwell on the earth will rejoice over [Christ's two witnesses who had been killed by the beast who ascended from out of the abyss], and will make merry, and will send one another gifts, because these two prophets tormented those living on the earth." (Revelation 11:10).​

Those who refuse to worship the beast will be killed by the beast, according to Revelation 13.

Your statements are not based alone on what is written, tailgator. They are based on speculation added to scripture, which is derived out of comparing scripture with what is possible in terms of modern day warfare.

For 42 months (1260 days)the gentiles will tread Jerusalem under foot.
The two witnesses are not coming to Israel alone.


Revelation 11

2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.




I know where those two christians and their armed forces come from.I know the make up of those armed forces and things they are taught.By this time next year ,I should know the names of those two christians

 

[Zao is life]

I see you have not noticed the beast which comes out of the bottomless pit is not the beast which comes out of the sea.

No one recieves a mark of the beast which ascends out of the bottomless pit because he has no mark.


The beast which came out of the sea is the beast the two witnesses will be helping.Tye beast which comes out of the bottomless pit is the beast which hates the prostitute who worships the beast from the sea.


Your not going to understand till you realize the beast which came out of the sea is not the beast which ascends from the bottomless pit.

And if you can hear it,the beast which came out of the sea is already in Jerusalem..It has already received its deadly wound and has already been healed.Its right there waiting the arrival of the two witnesses and their army which will most likely arrive next year.

Again, what you say is not what is written. It's an invented interpretation of what is written.

.. a huge red dragon that had seven heads and ten horns, and on its heads were seven diadem crowns.

And the dragon stood on the sand of the seashore (Nefree, close of Revelation 12:17). And I saw a beast coming up out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, and on its horns were ten diadem crowns, and on its heads a blasphemous name.

Why are there these ten crowns now on the beast? It's because:

The dragon gave the beast his power, his throne, and great authority to rule.

The ten horns that you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but will receive ruling authority as kings with the beast for one hour.

The beast you saw was, and is not, but is about to come up from the abyss and then go to destruction.

The seven heads are seven mountains the woman sits on. They are also seven kings: five have fallen; one is, and the other has not yet come, but whenever he does come, he must remain for only a brief time.

The beast that was, and is not, is himself an eighth king and yet is one of the seven, and is going to destruction.

These ten kings have a single intent, and they will give their power and authority to the beast.

There is only one beast. The sea represents the nations. The abyss is the abyss. The beast rises up out of the abyss and from out of the nations.

Now the beast that I saw was like a leopard, but its feet were like a bear's, and its mouth was like a lion's mouth. The dragon gave the beast his power, his throne, and great authority to rule.

In the book of Daniel, the lion, the leopard and the bear represent the empires of Babylon, Media-Persia and Greece, including the four kingdoms that the Greek empire split into after the death of the first Greek king (Alexander the Great). Those are the nations (the sea) from which the beast ascended from the abyss are derived. The abyss represents the lowest part of hades a.k.a hell.
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Notice that everything above is what is written, and the only interpretations I made was in the question "Why are there these ten crowns now on the beast?" It's because the dragon gave the beast his power, his throne, and great authority to rule, and:

In the book of Daniel, the lion, the leopard and the bear represent the empires of Babylon, Media-Persia and Greece, including the four kingdoms that the Greek empire split into after the death of the first Greek king (Alexander the Great). Those are the nations (the sea) from which the beast ascended from the abyss are derived. The abyss represents the lowest part of hades a.k.a hell.

.. which are still both interpretations derived out of scripture.

Your interpretations are speculations based on human imagination.​

 

[tailgator]

Again, what you say is not what is written. It's an invented interpretation of what is written.

.. a huge red dragon that had seven heads and ten horns, and on its heads were seven diadem crowns.

And the dragon stood on the sand of the seashore (Nefree, close of Revelation 12:17). And I saw a beast coming up out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, and on its horns were ten diadem crowns, and on its heads a blasphemous name.

Why are there these ten crowns now on the beast? It's because:

The dragon gave the beast his power, his throne, and great authority to rule.

The ten horns that you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but will receive ruling authority as kings with the beast for one hour.

The beast you saw was, and is not, but is about to come up from the abyss and then go to destruction.

The seven heads are seven mountains the woman sits on. They are also seven kings: five have fallen; one is, and the other has not yet come, but whenever he does come, he must remain for only a brief time.

The beast that was, and is not, is himself an eighth king and yet is one of the seven, and is going to destruction.

These ten kings have a single intent, and they will give their power and authority to the beast.

There is only one beast. The sea represents the nations. The abyss is the abyss. The beast rises up out of the abyss and from out of the nations.

Now the beast that I saw was like a leopard, but its feet were like a bear's, and its mouth was like a lion's mouth. The dragon gave the beast his power, his throne, and great authority to rule.

In the book of Daniel, the lion, the leopard and the bear represent the empires of Babylon, Media-Persia and Greece, including the four kingdoms that the Greek empire split into after the death of the first Greek king (Alexander the Great). Those are the nations (the sea) from which the beast ascended from the abyss are derived. The abyss represents the lowest part of hades a.k.a hell.
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Notice that everything above is what is written, and the only interpretations I made was in the question "Why are there these ten crowns now on the beast?" It's because the dragon gave the beast his power, his throne, and great authority to rule, and:

In the book of Daniel, the lion, the leopard and the bear represent the empires of Babylon, Media-Persia and Greece, including the four kingdoms that the Greek empire split into after the death of the first Greek king (Alexander the Great). Those are the nations (the sea) from which the beast ascended from the abyss are derived. The abyss represents the lowest part of hades a.k.a hell.

.. which are still both interpretations derived out of scripture.

Your interpretations are speculations based on human imagination.​

The ten horns already have their countries.They came up before the little horn.

The little horn already defeated three when he took control of the seven hills.

All written.


My interpretation is based on observance and history.

 

[Zao is life]

Revelation 11

2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

The only city the Revelation calls "the holy city" is New Jerusalem.

There are no verses in the Revelation where "Babylon the Great", or the city "spiritually called Sodom and Egypt", or the cities of the nations which fell when the 7th bowl of wrath was poured out, are called "the holy city",

but the Revelation calls New Jerusalem "the holy city" three times:

Revelation 21:2; Revelation 21:10; and Revelation 22:19.

Revelation 11:2 is talking about the holy city. Revelation 11:8 talks about a city called Sodom and Egypt.

Which Jerusalem are you talking about?

 

[Zao is life]

The ten horns already have their countries.They came up before the little horn.

The little horn already defeated three when he took control of the seven hills.

All written.


My interpretation are based on observance and history.

Oh here we go. SDA. OK