The Gospel not by the revelation of Jesus Christ but after the man of sin.

[GerhardEbersoehn]

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Before, post #69 and #72,
Jesus on His Way to GOLGOTHA, Hill of the SKULL-BONE, on the “BONE DAY” of His Own Covenant with Abraham and SARAH in particular, announced to the DAUGHTERS of Jerusalem the blessing of That BONE-DAY Covenant.
Jesus That Selfsame BONE-Day stood on the exact spot where the ash of the heifer was strewn in the direction of the city, to deliver THIS Declaration of Victorious Fulfilment of Prophecy.

WHY was the ASH strewn in the direction of Jerusalem?
To show the blood of an heifer was ineffective for the forgiveness of sins.
WHY?
Because this was the LAW:
Exodus 12:5 Your lamb shall be without blemish, a MALE of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep."
The "lamb”, at every stage “had to be a male”, “unspoiled”, “without flaw”, meaning, not female, not immature, in order to be suitable for sacrifice / offering for sin and forgiveness of sin. Female or immature or maimed lambs could not, but female sacrifice, was good for closing covenant with because God created man and wife and the two He made one in faithfulness according to the image of God—, God the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.

 

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during this exercise

dang was i supposed to stretch first?

 

[Marymog]

The Gospel not by the revelation of Jesus Christ but after the man of sin is the gospel of the upright standing empty cross.

And if your church displays such a cross it is the church of the perverted gospel of the accursed Antichrist.

Hi,

There were thousands of crucifixions in ancient history. So is it fair to say that an empty cross represents those thousands? But a cross that has the likeness of Jesus on it represents the most important crucifixion in history?

The Church, since the beginning, has preached Christ crucified (1 Corinthians 1:23). When did that change sir? Also, The Church displays both the cross and crucifix. So does that mean it is only half “perverted”? Also, did you know, that the early Christians didn’t use either the cross OR the crucifix as a symbol?

I will admit it is tough to look at a crucifix. It forces me to see what He went thru for ME!! He endured that for ME!! When i look at a crucifix it brings tears to my eyes and makes me humble. What do you feel when you look at a crucifix? What do you see when you look at a crucifix? Deducing from your OP you see a sign of the Antichrist….

Curious Mary

 

[Marymog]

Your OP doesn't bear that out, since a Roman Catholic with an empty cross is an oxymoron.

Hey Stupmaster,

Did you know Catholic Churches have crosses and crucifixes in them? Yes, even the Vatican…Curious Mary

 

[Marymog]

The Roman church may have removed the Second Commandnent from its teaching, but that does negate the fact that the Cross is real and is where your sins and mine were punished. If you deny that, that puts you in the pot of apostates and heretics that preach another gospel, that is to say: Christ's death on the Cross, Christ's burial, and Christ's resurrection.

The Secnond Commandment is a prohibition of idol worshipping, worshipping something or someone other than YHVH. Why would YHVH command Moses to construct an Ark with heavenly angelic beings covering the mercy seat? Because worshipping YHVH in the Ark was not idol worship. Also, YHVH commanded Moses to create a serpent and affix it to a pole. Israelites did not worship the servant on the pole, but worshipped God for healing them when they looked upon the serpent. Hezekiah rightly destroyed the serpent when Israelite began to worship it.

Having a Cross in your home, or in your car, or in your house of worship, or on a chain around your neck is not idol worship and not prohibited by God's command as long as you are worshipping and praying to YHVH.

Removed the 2nd commandment….Wow….why would anyone join that church??? :)

 

[Curtis]

{"God RAISED this SAME Jesus you crucified" (as Peter said).} Acts 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. 32This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted,

{He first preached "Christ AND, Him Crucified",} 1Corinthians 2:2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

And risen from the dead. Paul nor scripture leaves Him hanging on the cross, but ascended to heaven and sitting at the right hand of the Father.

 

[Curtis]

Where's that 'cross'? Not OK even in your heart, because in your heart, it should be Jesus Saviour of the soul. SPIRITUAL cross or NO cross! SOUL and not blood! The Son of God the Son of Man's Life "poured out in His Soul" for "the life" that is "required in the blood" of the sinner. That's "the Gospel the Power of God to save" -- NO ROMAN CATHOLIC CROSS ABOMINATION!

Christ risen is more important than Christ crucified and still hanging on the cross, dead.
Anyone can die on the cross and hang there, dead.

It’s the resurrection that sets Jesus apart from everyone else.

Paul said all of Christianity rises or falls on one thing: the resurrection of Christ from the dead.

Thus Paul preached an empty cross AND AN EMPTY TOMB, and that if Christ not be risen from the dead, our faith is in vain, and we are still in our sins.

Therefore your insistence that we have to focus exclusively on one aspect of truth about Jesus, and ignore the rest, is egregious error.

 

[Stumpmaster]

Hey Stupmaster,

Did you know Catholic Churches have crosses and crucifixes in them? Yes, even the Vatican…Curious Mary

What do you think?

The OP is an oxymoron for that reason.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Anyone can die on the cross and hang there, dead.

It’s the resurrection that sets Jesus apart from everyone else.

This is more or less 'my point I hope to explain'.

I do not want to weigh Christ's death against his resurrection. Christ in his FULLNESS, not Christ divided in any way!

<<Anyone can die on the cross and hang there, dead>> o yes, but Jesus wasn't <anyone> He is the One and Only God-Man. He, only therefore, <hang there> IN THE FULLNESS OF GOD'S POWER-- the POWER TO LAY DOWN HIS LIFE-- the very same POWER TO TAKE UP HIS LIFE AGAIN.

Jesus was "The in Suffering TRIUMPHANT" God-Man "the Man of Nazareth"-- Nazareth, "Secluded / Holy / Separated Acre"-- "GOD with us". Although sinless, He was not just <anyone>. Jesus was the One and Only sinles man ever, but Holy GOD-Triumphator-Man-The Man-Triumphator-GOD. For, because of, and through his Suffering of death the death of death, was Jesus GOD TRIUMPHATOR!

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Therefore your insistence that we have to focus exclusively on one aspect of truth about Jesus, and ignore the rest, is egregious error.

Are you perhaps saying it's my <insistence>?
O well it doesn't bother me, so whatever.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

 

[Marymog]

What do you think?

The OP is an oxymoron for that reason.

Ummmm.....I asked you a question. Would you care to at least an attempt to answer it instead of asking me a question???

Did you know Catholic Churches have crosses and crucifixes in them?

 

[Stumpmaster]

Ummmm.....I asked you a question. Would you care to at least an attempt to answer it instead of asking me a question???

Did you know Catholic Churches have crosses and crucifixes in them?

When the question is the answer and the answer is the question,
The reason is a riddle open to suggestion.

 

[Marymog]

When the question is the answer and the answer is the question,
The reason is a riddle open to suggestion.

Lol….ok kiddo.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Ephesians 1.15.21:

"Wherefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the saints,

16 Cease not to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers;

17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:

18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,

19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,

20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,

21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:

22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,

23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all."

Less is more! To add to this Scripture the Holy Spirit must say more in Scripture here and elsewhere about the Lord Jesus; no man and no lesser spirit than the Holy Spirit of God the "Spirit-of-Christ" in Scripture, can say one word to improve on or finish this, God's Word with Fullness of Salvation in it, Christ being The Essence of it.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

That is the crux -- Christ the Fullness of God.

Wherefore despite this alleged 'Christian cross'?

Jesus' cross, carried for Jesus by "one sent to carry" it, the 'postman' Simon of Cyrene, not in any manner is a cross of shame, but is synbol of His Majesty The Crucified, "come into his glory". Such cross was FOR Him carried -, to The HEIGHT, where the KING, "if I be lifted up, with the Power of the exceeding greatness of His Powr GOD, will draw all men unto Me." SO, in Victory was Jesus "lifted up" and "exalted" : according to the working of His Mighty Power which GOD wrought when [IN THE GRAVE] He raised Him from the dead and set Him at his own Right Hand in the heavenly GLORY far above all!" "Lifted Him up" and "exalted Him" : HIM, CONQUEROR on the cross and in the grave and in death, CONQUEROR "above all principality and power and might and dominion and every name." HE was Jesus the Man of Nazareth who walked BEFORE AND HIGH AND MIGHTY in front of the consierge of his cross, Simon of Cyrene.

But instead of The Triumphator, the Church exalts an empty and cold and empty as its soul 'Christian cross' above the 'House-of-God', and put all things 'under the foot of the cross', which is NOT The Body, or near the fullness of Him that filleth all in all and is "given to the Church as HEAD", even Christ, The In SUFFERING TRIUMPHANT and from the dead and grave, IN HIS GLORY, RAISED!

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Jesus Christ BURIED, IN THE GRAVE RAISED from the dead THIS SAME, JESUS CRUCIFIED