Scripture will help me as I did a search of the NKJV and I did find, "you shall proclaim" is found in Lev. 23, but no mention was made in the verses of the rest of your statement, "the first six months to the rule of the sun and moon, and the last 6 months will the LORD according to His LAW."
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Scripture will help me as I did a search of the NKJV and I did find, "you shall proclaim" is found in Lev. 23, but no mention was made in the verses of the rest of your statement, "the first six months to the rule of the sun and moon, and the last 6 months will the LORD according to His LAW."
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The people that disgust me are the leaders of “Israel” who use their military sniper teams to single out and murder Palestinian children.
https://tinyurl.com/2p9dbz6d
12-year old Hoda Darwish was hit in the head by a bullet fired Two 10 year-old schoolchildren were shot in the al-Omaria school run by UNRWA in Rafah, when an Israeli tank fired into their classroom.
Bullets fired from the tank flew through the classroom window, hitting Mahmoud Hamad in the neck and Hisham al Habil in the head. The boys had not even been sitting by the windows but in the middle of the room. (this was an assassination of specific children by the IDF)
http://www.palestinemonitor.org/index.html
Ten Commandments
1. Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
2. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
3. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
4. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
5. Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.
6. Thou shalt not kill.
7. Thou shalt not commit adultery.
8. Thou shalt not steal.
9. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
10.Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour’s.
Please note, there is no statute of limitations for murdering children
:)-
https://tinyurl.com/2p9dbz6d
12-year old Hoda Darwish was hit in the head by a bullet fired Two 10 year-old schoolchildren were shot in the al-Omaria school run by UNRWA in Rafah, when an Israeli tank fired into their classroom.
Bullets fired from the tank flew through the classroom window, hitting Mahmoud Hamad in the neck and Hisham al Habil in the head. The boys had not even been sitting by the windows but in the middle of the room. (this was an assassination of specific children by the IDF)
http://www.palestinemonitor.org/index.html
Ten Commandments
1. Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
2. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
3. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
4. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
5. Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.
6. Thou shalt not kill.
7. Thou shalt not commit adultery.
8. Thou shalt not steal.
9. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
10.Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour’s.
Please note, there is no statute of limitations for murdering children
:)-
the democracy in Palestine is not the “biblical nation of Israel” but political Zionism!
the church replaced Israel!
Christ replaced David as king!
The new covenant church replaced the old!
where did you get those numbers for the commandments?
or
How do you know which is the first or second etc?
How pleasant to receive a reply like yours! Thank you and God bless.
You ask, <find . mention . of . "the first six months to the rule of the sun and moon, and the last 6 months will the LORD according to His LAW.">
"the rule of the sun and moon" Genesis 1:14-18, now Leviticus 23:21 and 37 "YOU", shall "proclaim" - "calculate", not according to just adding up and "watching", "observation", "superstitiously" (Galatians 4:9:10), but "reckoning" by applying the Law in Genesis 1 about the movement co-ordinations of the sun and moon inter alia in Leviticus 23:21,22 FOR THE BEGINNING OF THE SEASONAL YEAR as 'religious' .
But "NOT SO", "BESIDES THE SABBATH OF THE LORD", it says in Leviticus 23:38, BECAUSE, as for the Sabbath of the LORD, the Laws of nature DO NOT apply, BECAUSE "the Seventh Day IS SABBATH OF THE LORD YOUR - SOVEREIGN - GOD", who is not bound by natural Law but by inexplicable unfathomable DIVINITY. God thus, "proclaims", "calls out", "APPOINTS A DAY"--"the day The Seventh Day Sabbath : OF THE LORD GOD'S" own willing and doing -- of his SOVEREIGNTY-- which, unlike the seasonal or monthly or yearly things, is immutable and untouchable and ETERNAL.
This then is where Judaism, so-called 'Messianic' Christendom and Christianity IN TOTO have gone off track and have caused chaos and anarchy among good and honest children of God.
In verse 24 of Leviticus 23 it - no, GOD, makes this DECLARATION, this LAW: "In the Seventh Month (which is halve-way through the solar year) the first day of the month shall be SABBATH . the LORD SPAKE (Genesis 2:2,3!).
And this very verse goes straight on giving FULL details peculiar to the "day The SEVENTH DAY SABBATH OF THE LORD GOD!
1. "It shall be an HOLY DAY" - only the Seventh Day Sabbath in all the Bible is called "My (the LORD'S) Holy Day;
2. only on the Sabbath the LORD calls on his people to "REMEMBER to keep it holy", not to mix it up, confuse it, with other days-- with other days OF THE WEEK, and "never to forget the day The SEVENTH Day is Sabbath of the LORD YOUR, GOD", God of Israel the Israel of God!
3. Only on the Sabbath the trumpet was blown-- ONLY on the Sabbath, no exception ever - never on another day, NEVER ON ANY OF THE SEASONAL DAYS OF FEAST!
4. And ONLY on the Sabbath of the LORD GOD the LORD provided HIMSELF THE HOLY "OFFERING OF FIRE OF HIS HOLY SPIRIT POURED OUT when "THE DAY was fully come" - WHEN COME, "SABBATH the fiftieth day after seven weekly SABBATHS", Leviticus 23:16.
So that is how you will find mention of the first six months to the rule of the sun and moon, and mention of the last 6 months as the LORD willed to establish His Holy Sabbath Day according to His LAW in the revelation and history of Salvation, His Word of Scripture.
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Please do yourself a favour and use the KJAV and not the NKJV which claims to be 'Dynamic Equivalency' of GOD'S, Word! Frightful audacity!
All of our "English" translations are fallible, whether the KJV or the KJAV or the NKJV or the ESV or the NIV all have errors in them contextually when compared with the source texts from which they were translated.
Whatever translation of the source texts that we chose to read, that translation version is still the best means that we have for getting to know who God is.
Now you have the audacity to tell others that the Bible that they have chosen to read is not adequate and that the KJAV is.
I am pleased/thankful that people do pick up a translation of the scriptures that they can "read" and begin their journey to establish their journey in God's earth with God.
Shalom
Jim B
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While I basically agree with your post, I disagree that all of our English translations are "fallible". It is a false concept. It is impossible to perfectly translate the source texts into English for several reasons...
1) The original source texts haven't been discovered, and the existing copies differ from each other.
2) A "word-for-word" translation is impossible. Vocabulary, syntax, idioms, etc, vary between languages, sometimes significantly.
3) The culture that we live in today is totally different from the cultures (plural) of the Bible. Subsequently, our interpretation of what is written cannot be separated from our "cultural lens".
Translators do their absolute best to communicate the meaning of Scripture to our 21st Century minds and, IMHO, they do an excellent job. It is wrong to declare them "fallible", unless you believe that God doesn't "have a hand" in the process.
P.S. The KJAV meant something different to the people of the early 17th Century than it does to us for the above reasons. Unfortunately, this allows people, particularly KJVOs, to put their own spin, a.k.a. reinterpretations, on what the Bible says.
Now, back to discussing the OP subject...
While I agree that translators do their best to convey the context of the source documents from either Hebrew or Greek into English, they do not always convey the contextual accuracy from the source documents into the English Translations. Even the 70 scholars that created the LXX Greek text did not accurately convey the Context of their Hebrew scriptures into the Greek Text and our translations have followed the same errors in our English translations. The understanding of man often prevailed instead of God's.
Shalom
pleaseforgiveme
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Jim B
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You should have informed Paul and other NT writers that the LXX they used was flawed. Why do you think that the LXX was quoted in the NT?
Because it was the "Bible" that they read the most and was universally known.
However, let us consider the context of what Paul wrote in say Romans 11:25-26 and what is now the common contextual understanding being written into our translations. The difference is deafening. Paul wrote that, until, with respect to time, when the 2,300 years of the Gentiles trampling God's Sanctuary and Earthly hosts has run its full course, that after this all of Israel will be saved.
However, below are a number of translations that give a very different context: -
Rom 11:25-26: - 25 For I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: A partial hardening has happened to Israel until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:
(from The NET Bible®, Copyright © 1996-2006 by Biblical Studies Press, L.L.C., Dallas, Texas, www.bible.org. All rights reserved. Used by permission.)
Rom 11:25-26: - 25 I want you to understand this mystery, dear brothers and sisters, so that you will not feel proud about yourselves. Some of the people of Israel have hard hearts, but this will last only until the full number of Gentiles comes to Christ. 26 And so all Israel will be saved. As the Scriptures say,
Holy Bible, New Living Translation ®, copyright © 1996, 2004 by Tyndale Charitable Trust. Used by permission of Tyndale House Publishers. All rights reserved.
Rom 11:25-26: - 25 I want you to know about this truth from God, dear brothers, so that you will not feel proud and start bragging. Yes, it is true that some of the Jews have set themselves against the Gospel now, but this will last only until all of you Gentiles have come to Christ-those of you who will. 26 And then all Israel will be saved.
TLB
Today we have so many variation, because some person/committee disagreed with another translation.
Oh well, today there are many stiff necked people who have a very different understanding of the Context to what God lead the writers of the Bible, i.e. the OT and the NT, to pen.
Did I say otherwise than you, that <<All of our "English" translations are fallible, whether the KJV or the KJAV or the NKJV or the ESV or the NIV all have errors in them contextually when compared with the source texts from which they were translated.>>?
Yes you say I did, with this whole post and denunciation you wrote. But you're lying.
Did I say otherwise than you, that <<Whatever translation of the source texts that we chose to read, that translation version is still the best means that we have for getting to know who God is.>>?
Yes you say I did, with this whole post and denunciation you wrote. But you're lying.
Nevertheless despite that it is true that <<Whatever translation of the source texts that we chose to read, that translation version is still the best means that we have for getting to know who God is>>, if we do have <that translation version> WHICH IN FACT is still the best, BUT OBJECT TO USING IT BECAUSE IT DOES NOT SUIT OR PROMOTE OUR SELF-INTEREST, that translation version is the best means that we have for getting to UNDERESTIMATE AND EVEN DESPISE WHO GOD IS IN TRUTH AND RIGHTEOUSNESS.
I only cannot understand why you are implying that that is what I am doing. But that's for you, between you and God.
YES THAT'S WHAT YOU DO! You say, <<Now you have the audacity to tell others that the Bible that they have chosen to read is not adequate and that the KJAV is.>> Of course, again, you simply lie. WHY WOULD i DO SUCH THING? Is there something you hate me for, for believing? Only Christ would know. Only He could help.
You are <<pleased/thankful that people do pick up a translation of the scriptures that they can "read" and begin their journey to establish their journey in God's earth with God>> which would be fine and noble, do you not say this just to show how I do the opposite, and prevent people to establish their journey with God, you hypocrite!
Absolutely repulsive person and personality. I feel like having a vinegar bath. The audacity to still greet with <peace>!
Personally, I do not know what chip to address with you in responding to your above post
Jim B
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But of course you're not one of the stiff-necked people, correct? You are infallible, correct?
Jim B
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You wrote "However, let us consider the context of what Paul wrote in say Romans 11:25-26 and what is now the common contextual understanding being written into our translations. The difference is deafening. Paul wrote that, until, with respect to time, when the 2,300 years of the Gentiles trampling God's Sanctuary and Earthly hosts has run its full course, that after this all of Israel will be saved."
1) So you are channeling Paul directly and others are in error, correct? And if "the difference is deafening", do you actually hear what has been written?
2) You also wrote, "Today we have so many variation..." If you're such a perfectionist why can't you write English correctly?
3) You wrote "Paul wrote that, until, with respect to time, when the 2,300 years of the Gentiles trampling God's Sanctuary and Earthly hosts has run its full course, that after this all of Israel will be saved." I didn't realize that Paul wrote in English!
Your replies are so flawed that respecting your opinion is impossible.
Jim B
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Well, you're wrong. Unlike yourself, I don't claim to be perfect while making such obvious errors.
Jim when you address the written post rather than belittle the person, I may begin to take your comments seriously.
Sadly, you speak a very different dialect, called "American English," whereas I speak with an "Australian" dialect.
The difference in our respective English dialects, often means that we do not understand each other and what is said, all of the time.
Now are you being a humourist because without a good straight man your humour sucks.
Jim B
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It's not important to me if you take my comments seriously or not. You need to gain my respect first.
Your last sentence is (once again) grammatically flawed. You claim to be a language expert, but obviously you're not, regardless of where you live.
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