The eternal sign that God has set in the Jewish people

[Eliyahu613]

Bs"d

God has set an eternal sign in the Jewish people.

The text is too big to post here, it keeps on telling me that the text is too big to post, so I'll post a link: Sign

 

[Michiah-Imla]

“…they are not all Israel, which are of Israel…” (Romans 9:6)

“For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.” (Romans 2:28-29)

 

[Eliyahu613]

“…they are not all Israel, which are of Israel…” (Romans 9:6)

“For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.” (Romans 2:28-29)

Bs"d

So the uncircumcised, those are the circumcised, and the circumcised, those are the uncircumcised. ??????

And of course, 3 = 1, and 1 = 3.

And then you call people who really don't want to believe this "blinded"??

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Bs"d

So the uncircumcised, those are the circumcised, and the circumcised, those are the uncircumcised. ??????

And of course, 3 = 1, and 1 = 3.

And then you call people who really don't want to believe this "blinded"??

“…the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.” (1 Corinthians 2:14)

 

[Matthias]

Bs"d

So the uncircumcised, those are the circumcised, and the circumcised, those are the uncircumcised. ??????

Heart.

And of course, 3 = 1, and 1 = 3.

No.

And then you call people who really don't want to believe this "blinded"??

Spiritually.

 

[ScottA]

Bs"d

God has set an eternal sign in the Jewish people.

The text is too big to post here, it keeps on telling me that the text is too big to post, so I'll post a link: Sign

The divine sign in the Jewish people​ Bs"d The Hebrew Bible, for Christians the OT, for Jews the Tanach, is replete with prophecy which has been fulfilled. (TaNaCH is an acronym for Torah, Nevi'iem, Chetuvim, which means Pentateuch, Prophets, and Writings, the three parts of the Jewish Bible. The Pentateuch consists of the first five books of the Bible, in which the law is given. The Prophets are all the prophetic books, and the writings are all the other books which are not prophetic, and they start with the Psalms, and contain books like Proverbs, Job, Song of songs, etc.) All those fulfilled prophecies are great proof that the Bible is divinely inspired you would say, were it not that atheists simply claim: "All the prophecies have been written after the events took place." Fortunately, there is a solution for that problem. God has given an everlasting sign, a sign upon which we can fall back until the end of time. It is the sign that He put in the Jewish people. Some people say that the Jews are under a curse, and they point to the Jew hatred all through the ages, the holocaust, and many other disasters that have befallen the Jews. Others say that the Jews are a blessed people, pointing to the fact that they always seem to be smart, successful in business, and rich. So who is right? Are the Jews blessed or cursed? The answer is: Both. Or; it depends. On what does it depend? On the Jews. On the Jews doing the law of God or not. When the Jews do the law of God, God will shower upon them great blessings.

First, what does "Bs"d" mean?

Indeed, there is too much to post, so I just copied a small part (above). But...perhaps I missed it, did you mention The New Testament?

The reason I ask is because those curses you acknowledge and mention resulted in much of Matthew 21 regarding Israel. The main point and result being:

Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures:​

​

‘The stone which the builders rejected
Has become the chief cornerstone.
This was the Lord’s doing,
And it is marvelous in our eyes’?​

43 “Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a nation bearing the fruits of it. Matthew 21:42-43​

Even so, Israel (and the Jewish people) are no longer cursed, but blessed. Which was made complete by the crucifixion of Christ, who "finished" God's promises given to Israel, after which, as He also said, "And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd." John 10:16

Thus, the light unto the gentiles was no longer lit by Israel, but by Jesus the Messiah who came first in the flesh and now in Spirit. And yet, the bloodline and Israeli heritage will forever be cherished by gentile Christians for the service of their forefathers unto God.

 

[PanInVietnam]

starting to notice what Eliyahu posted... seem no culture has a divine being 'character' in their history like Israel has...

 

[Matthias]

starting to notice what Eliyahu posted... seem no culture has a divine being 'character' in their history like Israel has...

The God of Israel is unique. He is the creator of life. All things were made by him.

 

[PanInVietnam]

is 'unique'? why so? today i had a quick read on the book of genesis, kind of a summary of the world came-about and how jewish nation is formed.

 

[Matthias]

is 'unique'? why so?

He asserts that there is no God besides him.

today i had a quick read on the book of genesis, kind of a summary of the world came-about and how jewish nation is formed.

I hope you noted the promises that he made to Abraham.

 

[Eliyahu613]

The divine sign in the Jewish people​ Bs"d The Hebrew Bible, for Christians the OT, for Jews the Tanach, is replete with prophecy which has been fulfilled. (TaNaCH is an acronym for Torah, Nevi'iem, Chetuvim, which means Pentateuch, Prophets, and Writings, the three parts of the Jewish Bible. The Pentateuch consists of the first five books of the Bible, in which the law is given. The Prophets are all the prophetic books, and the writings are all the other books which are not prophetic, and they start with the Psalms, and contain books like Proverbs, Job, Song of songs, etc.) All those fulfilled prophecies are great proof that the Bible is divinely inspired you would say, were it not that atheists simply claim: "All the prophecies have been written after the events took place." Fortunately, there is a solution for that problem. God has given an everlasting sign, a sign upon which we can fall back until the end of time. It is the sign that He put in the Jewish people. Some people say that the Jews are under a curse, and they point to the Jew hatred all through the ages, the holocaust, and many other disasters that have befallen the Jews. Others say that the Jews are a blessed people, pointing to the fact that they always seem to be smart, successful in business, and rich. So who is right? Are the Jews blessed or cursed? The answer is: Both. Or; it depends. On what does it depend? On the Jews. On the Jews doing the law of God or not. When the Jews do the law of God, God will shower upon them great blessings.

First, what does "Bs"d" mean?

Bs"d

The above is an abbreviation of the Aramaic expression "Ba siata desmaya", and that means: "With the help of Heaven".

Besiyata Dishmaya - Wikipedia

Indeed, there is too much to post, so I just copied a small part (above). But...perhaps I missed it, did you mention The New Testament?

The reason I ask is because those curses you acknowledge and mention resulted in much of Matthew 21 regarding Israel. The main point and result being:

Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures:​

​

‘The stone which the builders rejected​

Has become the chief cornerstone.​

This was the Lord’s doing,​

And it is marvelous in our eyes’?​

43 “Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a nation bearing the fruits of it. Matthew 21:42-43​

Even so, Israel (and the Jewish people) are no longer cursed, but blessed. Which was made complete by the crucifixion of Christ, who "finished" God's promises given to Israel, after which, as He also said, "And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd." John 10:16

Thus, the light unto the gentiles was no longer lit by Israel, but by Jesus the Messiah who came first in the flesh and now in Spirit. And yet, the bloodline and Israeli heritage will forever be cherished by gentile Christians for the service of their forefathers unto God.

The messiah didn't come yet. We know that because the messianic prophecies are not yet fulfilled.

 

[Matthias]

The messiah didn't come yet. We know that because the messianic prophecies are not yet fulfilled.

The Messiah shows up this afternoon: How long do you think it will take for him to fulfill the prophecies? Are you thinking instantly? Seconds? Minutes? Hours? Days? Weeks? Months? Years?

 

[Eliyahu613]

The Messiah shows up this afternoon: How long do you think it will take for him to fulfill the prophecies? Are you thinking instantly? Seconds? Minutes? Hours? Days? Weeks? Months? Years?

Bs"d

I'd say: Months, years.

 

[Matthias]

Bs"d

I'd say: Months, years.

So there is, in your expectation, a passage of some extended length of time.

It may take the man, a human person, a Jew, an unspecified number of years to fulfill the Messianic prophecies.

What do you do during these years, as you observe him to confirm that he really is the Messiah?

 

[Eliyahu613]

So there is, in your expectation, a passage of some extended length of time.

It may take the man, a human person, a Jew, years to fulfill the Messianic prophecies.

Bs"d

If that person has divine assistance, it could go quite fast. But yes, there could be a time period that the messiah is not yet recognized.

That should not be a problem.

 

[Matthias]

Bs"d

If that person has divine assistance, it could go quite fast.

In terms of years, what is “quite fast”?

But yes, there could be a time period that the messiah is not yet recognized.

A time period when the Messiah is present, active, but not yet recognized. The fulfillment of the prophecies about him unfold over time.

That should not be a problem.

It shouldn’t be, but as time passes - days, weeks, months, years - and not all of the prophecies about him have yet been fulfilled … How long will you wait before you decide, recognize and acknowledge that it really is the Messiah?

 

[Eliyahu613]

In terms of years, what is “quite fast”?

Bs"d

Less than a year.

A time period when the Messiah is present, active, but not yet recognized. The fulfillment of the prophecies about him unfold over time.

But not over thousands of years.

It shouldn’t be, but as time passes - days, weeks, months, years - and not all of the prophecies about him have yet been fulfilled … How long will you wait before you decide, recognize and acknowledge that it really is the Messiah?

Don't know. At one point it will become obvious. But waiting a bit longer is no problem. After all, it is not written in the Torah: "You shall recognize the messiah!"

 

[Matthias]

Bs"d

Less than a year.

Knowing what you do about what the prophesies say the coming Messiah will do, that‘s an extremely short amount of time for him to accomplish it all.

But not over thousands of years.

When the Messiah you’re looking for appears, it won’t take thousands of years for you (or anyone else) to know that it really is him.

Don't know. At one point it will become obvious. But waiting a bit longer is no problem. After all, it is not written in the Torah: "You shall recognize the messiah!"

Everyone will recognize and acknowledge the Messiah. It won’t take long once he’s sitting on the throne of his father (ancestor) David in Jerusalem.

 

[ScottA]

The messiah didn't come yet. We know that because the messianic prophecies are not yet fulfilled.

What "messianic prophecies?"

 

[Eliyahu613]

What "messianic prophecies?"

Bs"d

Look here in chapter 3 for some examples: Notestament