Oh I understand what the reformers say... I compared them to God's Word and the reformers came up lacking... teaching things God's Word does not teach.
Those that accept the whole counsel of God would know the scriptures that tell us the Lord went to the cross for the entire world, and it's not His will that any should perish... and they would know that God's Word teaches not all will answer the call. But sadly the religious reprobates who are indoctrinated by religious organizations to only believe what their religious organization demands that they believe
Limited Atonement is FALSE
The Father sovereignly decided to make man in His own Image which is why all men have free will. He said in His Word than we are predestined to be conformed to the image of Jesus Christ (Romans 8:29), and we are to be followers of God as dear children (Ephesians 5:1)
God's Word says man is without excuse (Romans 1:20), the grace that brings salvation has come upon all men (Titus 2:11-13)
God's Word says it's not God's will that any perish and He wants all to come to repentance (2 Peter 3:9), and He has commanded men everywhere to repent (Acts 17:30), and has given every man faith (Romans 12:3)
Jesus said if He be lifted up He would draw all men until Himself (John 12:32), and Jesus has tasted of death for every man (Hebrews 2:9)
In light of all these scriptures, we can say for sure that limited atonement taught by John Calvin and the reformers is false doctrine and is in opposition to what God says.
Yes, that is what the Arminians teach, they do not believe in limited atonmement.
2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some consider slowness, but is patient toward you, not willing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.
not slack. That is, not loitering or late (cf. Gal_4:4; Tit_1:6; Heb_6:18; Heb_10:23, Heb_10:37; Rev_19:11).
longsuffering toward us. Us is the saved, the people of God. He waits for them to be saved. God has an immense capacity for patience before He breaks forth in judgment (cf. 2Pe_3:15; Joe_2:13; Luk_15:20; Rom_9:22; 1Pe_3:15). God endures endless blasphemies against His name, along with rebellion, murders, and the ongoing breaking of His law, waiting patiently while He is calling and redeeming His own. It is not impotence or slackness that delays final judgment; it is patience.
not willing that any should perish. The any must refer to those whom the Lord has chosen and will call to complete the redeemed, i.e., the us. Since the whole passage is about God's destroying the wicked, His patience is not so He can save all of them, but so He can receive all His own. He can't be waiting for everyone to be saved, since the emphasis is that He will destroy the world and the ungodly. Those who do perish and go to hell, go because they are depraved and worthy only of hell and have rejected the only remedy, Jesus Christ, not because they were created for hell and predetermined to go there. The path to damnation is the path of a non-repentant heart; it is the path of one who rejects the person and provision of Jesus Christ and holds on to sin (cf. Isa_55:1; Jer_13:17; Eze_18:32; Mat_11:28; Mat_13:37; Luk_13:3; Joh_3:16; Joh_8:21, Joh_8:24; 1Ti_2:3-4; Rev_22:17).
all should come to repentance. All (cf. us, any) must refer to all who are God's people who will come to Christ to make up the full number of the people of God. The reason for the delay in Christ's coming and the attendant judgments is not because He is slow to keep His promise, or because He wants to judge more of the wicked, or because He is impotent in the face of wickedness. He delays His coming because He is patient and desires the time for His people to repent.
Acts 17:30 “Therefore having overlooked the times of ignorance, God is now commanding men that everyone everywhere should repent,
But not every man repents.
and has given every man faith (Romans 12:3)
Paul is talking to believers no every human.
Jesus said if He be lifted up He would draw all men until Himself (John 12:32),
John 12:32 “And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself.”
Spurgeon - The Pharisees said, “The world is gone after him;” but Jesus says, “No not while I am riding in state through the streets of Jerusalem; but when I am lifted up, and hung upon the cross, then shall it indeed be true, ‘I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.’” The crucified Christ of Calvary is the mighty magnet that is to attract multitudes of trembling, doubting, ruined sinners, who by grace shall be drawn unto him, and find eternal life in him.
Will draw (
helko)
all men (
see note)
to Myself -
Will draw (
helko) means that there will be a supernatural pull in the mental or moral life of men and women to come to Jesus, to believe in Jesus. Sinners do not naturally come to Christ, but only supernaturally! As Paul said in Romans 3:11
+ "THERE IS NONE WHO SEEKS FOR GOD." Spiritually dead men do not seek God! The Spirit must empower them giving them the desire and the power to seek God. As Jesus made clear in John 6:44
+ "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me
draws (
helko) him; and I will raise him up on the last day." Jesus explains this drawing in Jn 6:65
+ "For this reason I have said to you, that
no one can come to Me unless it has been granted him from the Father.”
A T Robertson - The magnetism of the Cross is now known of all men, however little they understand the mystery of the Cross.
D A Carson writes that in John 6:44
+ "the one who draws is the Father; here, it is the Son, but nothing much should be made of this (Jn 5:19). But the scope and efficacy of the drawing in the two places are quite different. There, the focus is on those individuals whom the Father gives to the Son, whom the Son infallibly preserves and raises up at the last day. Here, ‘
all men’ reminds the reader of what triggered these statements, viz. the arrival of the Greeks, and means ‘
all people without distinction, Jews and Gentiles alike’, not all individuals without exception, since the surrounding context has just established judgment as a major theme (Jn 12:31), a time for distinguishing between those who love their lives (and therefore lose them) and those who hate their lives (and therefore keep them for eternal life, Jn 12:25). The critical event in Jesus’ ministry that sanctions his drawing of all people without distinction, and not Jews only (cf. Jn 10:16; 11:52), is his cross/exaltation, his being ‘lifted up’.
This is the implicit answer to the Greeks: the hour has come for him to die and be exalted, and in the wake of that passion/glorification they will be able to approach him as freely as do the children of the old covenant."
@Dan Clarkston, are you a universalist? You sure like those words all men.
ALL
Note that by saying
all men to Myself Jesus is not referring to the false doctrine of
universalism. He is referring to
all in the sense of His crucifixion would make salvation available to the whole world as in John 3:16
+ "For God so loved the world (
ALL THE WORLD - JEWS AND GENTILES), that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life." John uses the word
ALL again in John 1:7
+ in a similar context, writing " He came as a witness, to testify about the Light, so that
ALL might believe through him." Paul writes that Jesus "gave Himself as a ransom for
ALL, the testimony given at the proper time."
A T Robertson on
all men - By "
all men" (pantas) Jesus does not mean every individual man, for some, as Simeon said (Luke 2:34
+) are repelled by Christ, but this is the way that Greeks (John 12:32) can and will come to Christ, by the way of the Cross, the only way to the Father (John 14:6
+).
John Calvin, “When He says all it must be referred to the children of God, who are of His flock. Yet I agree with Chrysostom, who says that Christ used the universal word because the Church was to be gathered from Gentiles
ALL= the elect.
