The battle of Gog and Magog does not happen until after the thousand year reign of Christ

[TribulationSigns]

For me the Parable in Luke 13:6-9 confirms that Israel will begin to bear fruit in the seventh age.

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Luke 13:6-9: - The Parable of the Barren Fig Tree​

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6 He also spoke this parable: “A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard, and he came seeking fruit on it and found none. 7 Then he said to the keeper of his vineyard, ‘Look, for three years I have come seeking fruit on this fig tree and find none. Cut it down; why does it use up/waste the ground?’ 8 But he answered and said to him, ‘Sir, let it alone this year also, until I dig around it and fertilize it. 9 And if it bears fruit after that, well. But if not, you can cut it down.’ ”​

Again there is NO SUCH THING AS SEVENTH AGE. It is purely speculation and opinion of men with your false interpretation of "age." The scripture your quoted above does say anything like this.

Again, there is NO endtime rebirth of Israel as a nation from God's perspective. Why? Because Jesus said so!

Matthew 21:19

• And when Jesus saw a fig tree in the way, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it, 'Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever'. And presently the fig tree withered away."

And you dare to tell God, that He is wrong because you tried to put a word in His mouth to mean "age" so that your theory that Israel will have another change on seventh age, after He said forever. How's absurd! Moreover, according to Scripture:

Mark 11:11

• And Jesus entered into Jerusalem, and into the temple: and when he had looked round about upon all things, and now the eventide was come, he went out unto Bethany with the twelve. And on the morrow, when they were come from Bethany, he was hungry: And seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he came, if haply he might find any thing thereon: and when he came to it, he found nothing but leaves; for the time of figs was not yet. And Jesus answered and said unto it, 'No man eat fruit of thee hereafter for ever'. And his disciples heard it. And they come to Jerusalem: and Jesus went into the temple, and began to cast out them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves; And would not suffer that any man should carry any vessel through the temple. And he taught, saying unto them, Is it not written, My house shall be called of all nations the house of prayer? but ye have made it a den of thieves. And the scribes and chief priests heard it, and sought how they might destroy him: for they feared him, because all the people was astonished at his doctrine. And when even was come, he went out of the city. And in the morning, as they passed by, they saw the fig tree dried up from the roots. And Peter calling to remembrance saith unto him, Master, behold, the fig tree which thou cursedst is withered away."

Luke 13:6

• Jesus spake also this parable; 'A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard; and he came and sought fruit thereon, and found none. Then said he unto the dresser of his vineyard, Behold, these three years I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none: cut it down; why cumbereth it the ground? And he answering said unto him, Lord, let it alone this year also, till I shall dig about it, and dung it: And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down.'"

Obviously, Israel did NOT bear fruit as Christ said in Mark 11, Israel ahs been cut down as a representative of God's Kingdom at the Cross.

John 15:4

• Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned."

The nation of Israel, which rejected Messiah in 32 AD, like the modern nation of Israel of 1948 AD, 1967 AD, and 2024 AD - is an accurate picture of a group that is withered, dried up, cursed, dead at the roots, and cast into the fire...from henceforth forever!

Therefore, God did NOT have a future salvation plan for national Israel since the Cross, but a few Jews who have heard the Gospel along with the Gentiles. There is no "seventh age" for national Israel to be a representative of God's Kingdom. In your dream, per your private interpreation.

Ezekiel 34 certainly talks about Israel being redeemed by God in the Seventh Age after the Armageddon judgement of the kings of the earth and the heavenly Hosts.

No Ezekiel 34 is not talking about national Israel at all. It was talking about the establishment of the New Testament congregation of Israel, whom Messiah the Prince confirmed a covenant of peace (Daniel 9:27) with which he is made one shepherd over us. You are looking at the wrong Israel, dude.

This is your private opinion that Israel will not have a time or opportunity to produce fruit during the Seventh Age. It is my view that this is biblically accurate.

My opinion is based on Scripture becasue there is no such thing as "Seventh Age" which you made it up to fit your false doctrine of Israel having another opportunity to produce fruit despite what Christ said.

If you need to argue against what I have posted, your disagreement is not with me but with what is recorded within the scriptures. Interpretation of the scriptures seem to be the problem that you have.

LOL, I would say the same thing to YOU. Good luck with your FLAWED interpretation in front of the Lord's burnished bronze feet at His Coming.

Goodbye

Shalom!

 

[TribulationSigns]

Jesus made no mention of "the fig tree generation". You continue to make things up in your imagination. You are impossible to take seriously.

Agreed! There is no such thing as "fig tree generation."

The parable related to how soon Christ's return would be and not to any "fig tree generation". Good grief. LOL. Unreal.

Agreed! Unreal, isn't it? The "fig tree generation" is a typical Dispensationalist's word phrase that Christ did not say. They are trying to put the fig tree and all other trees in one verse and generation in the next verse together as one term when Christ was talking about two separate things. In one verse, Christ used the trees as AN EXAMPLE to explain how we identify the signs of time and then he said that this generation of evil (which last since Cain) will not end until all these things are fulfilled.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Jesus was not giving a parable for the purpose of defining a generation.

So, why do you call it "the fig tree generation" then?

But how to know that His Return was near, and that all the things He spoke of in Matthew 24:15-31 would soon be fulfilled.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

Yes, the parable related directly to what He said in verse 33 where He said when they saw all these things starting to come to pass, His return would be near. But, that does not include Matthew 24:15-21 which is about what happened in 70 AD.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Agreed! There is no such thing as "fig tree generation."

He makes up all kinds of things in his imagination. He also tries to claim that "this generation" refers to a 70 year period of time that began in 1967. He believes it's a 70 year period of time because he thinks that Psalm 90:10 defines the duration of a generation, which is utterly ridiculous. That verse only refers to the human life span, not to the duration of a generation, which most sane people who don't try to manipulate scripture know is about 30 to 40 years in duration.

Agreed! Unreal, isn't it? The "fig tree generation" is a typical Dispensationalist's word phrase that Christ did not say. They are trying to put the fig tree and all other trees in one verse and generation in the next verse together as one term when Christ was talking about two separate things. In one verse, Christ used the trees as AN EXAMPLE to explain how we identify the signs of time and then he said that this generation of evil (which last since Cain) will not end until all these things are fulfilled.

Exactly. I fully agree. The context is clear! But, he is trying to change the context to fit his false doctrine.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Exactly. I fully agree. The context is clear! But, he is trying to change the context to fit his false doctrine.

Yeah I can see what Douggg is doing with his doctrine.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Jesus said it would be one specific generation that would not pass away until all the things he spoke of would be fulfilled.

That is YOUR understanding that you have while ignoring the fact that the word has more than one definition. He was talking about a type of people like He did in Matthew 23 where He indicated that "this generation" was even responsible for the death of Abel (Matthew 23:35-36). What does that tell you about what "this generation" is supposed to mean? He was talking there about a certain type of people. Wicked people. The kind who murdered others for no good reason. You are foolishly ignoring the FACT that the word has more than one definition and it's not being used to refer to "one specific generation" as you imagine. If Jesus was talking in that sense about a future generation then He would have referred to "THAT generation", not "THIS generation".

You have broken all things up as being partially fulfilled in a first century generation, And then later, in the end times, a different generation which the remaining things will be fulfulled. i.e. you are claiming two generations - as opposed to Jesus saying one generation.

Doug, do you read anything I say? I am not interpreting the word generation as a time period at all. Why is it so hard to get things through your head? I showed you what "this generation" refers to in Matthew 23 and I believe it means something similar in Matthew 24 except I believe Jesus was referring to the Jews in general there.

Here is another verse where the word "generation" is not talking about a certain time period or just about people who are alive at a certain time, but rather is referring to a type of people.

1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light; 10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

This is a reference to the church, which consists of chosen people: Jew and Gentile believers. So, the word generation in 1 Peter 2:9 refers to a certain type of people (chosen people, saved people, Christians, "the people of God") rather than referring to a certain time period. That is how I believe "this generation" should be understood as well, as referring to a certain type of people and not to a time period.

 

[Keraz]

I am not interpreting the word generation as a time period at all.

What Jesus said in Matthew 24:32-34, is a simple; easily understood Prophecy, that those people alive when the 'fig tree' sends forth tender shoots and breaks into leaf, THEN we may know the end is near, at the very door.

This Prophecy cannot refer to what happened in the first Century. It is now fulfilled by the Jewish State of Israel and it is surely obvious to everyone that the situation in the Middle East is set to explode - WITHIN the prescribed 80 year deadline of a persons lifetime, born before May 1948.
WE will see it all and if people deny this, rejecting the hundred plus Prophesies of end time events, then you are simply; in the dark.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

What Jesus said in Matthew 24:32-34, is a simple; easily understood Prophecy, that those people alive when the 'fig tree' sends forth tender shoots and breaks into leaf, THEN we may know the end is near, at the very door.

This Prophecy cannot refer to what happened in the first Century.

I'm not saying that it does. Where did I ever say that? Nowhere. Learn how to read, please.

It is now fulfilled by the Jewish State of Israel and it is surely obvious to everyone that the situation in the Middle East is set to explode - WITHIN the prescribed 80 year deadline of a persons lifetime, born before May 1948.

So, you also foolishly try to create a new definition for the word generation that doesn't exist. Show me a definition of the word generation from any source (any online dictionary or whatever you can find) which has one of the definitions of the word generation as the life span or average life span of human beings.

WE will see it all and if people deny this, rejecting the hundred plus Prophesies of end time events, then you are simply; in the dark.

I deny that you have any idea of what you're talking about because that is very clear. Anyone who has to resort to creating new definitions for words clearly is willing to do anything to make scripture say what they want it to say.

 

[Douggg]

So, why do you call it "the fig tree generation" then?

Because the fig tree generation will not pass away without all things in Matthew 24:15--31 being fulfilled.

If Jesus was talking in that sense about a future generation then He would have referred to "THAT generation", not "THIS generation".

In context, Jesus was talking about the parable of the fig tree generation.

32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Because the fig tree generation will not pass away without all things in Matthew 24:15--31 being fulfilled.

There's no such thing as "the fig tree generation" except in your imagination.

In context, Jesus was talking about the parable of the fig tree generation.

32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

In context, what Jesus was saying there is that His return would be as near as summer is when the fig tree's "branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves" once they would "see all these things" starting to happen. And once all those things were fulfilled then He would return and the Jewish people ("this generation") would pass away and heaven and earth will pass away (Matthew 24:35). Which lines up perfectly with what Peter taught in 2 Peter 3:10-12 since he also taught that heaven and earth would pass away when Jesus returns.

 

[Douggg]

Here is another verse where the word "generation" is not talking about a certain time period or just about people who are alive at a certain time, but rather is referring to a type of people.

1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light; 10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

That passage does not say when that particular generation passes.

Differently, the parable of the fig tree focuses on the fig tree generation not passing away, before all things Jesus spoke of in Matthew 24:15-31 are fulfilled.

You are missing the whole point of the parable of the fig tree. You are focusing on the definition of what a generation is. Differently, Jesus was focusing on the parable of the fig tree generation not passing away, before all things Jesus spoke of in Matthew 24:15-31 are fulfilled.

And also stop falsely accusing me of being dishonest - that I attempting to redefine what a generation is. That was not the point of my posts. My point has been how long a specific generation, identified as being associated with the fig tree in the parable, has before it passes away. And from that, it can be determined, a deadline not later than year, that the 7 year 70th week of Daniel 9:27 will begin.

The fig tree is Jerusalem, and it being back in the hands of the Jews in 1967 is that generation will not pass away until all things spoken of by Jesus in Matthew 24:15-31 are fulfilled.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

That passage does not say when that particular generation passes.

You have even less discernment than I thought, which is really saying something. You completely missed the point. Why do you think that the word generation has only one definition? It doesn't. This is something a young child can understand, yet you can't even understand that the word has multiple definitions.

1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light; Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

Peter was not referring to a time period here when he referenced a "chosen generation". He was referring to a certain type of people which were "a peculiar people...which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God". In this case the word generation refers to a certain type of people, which are people who are chosen/saved people of God who are in the church. In the past before Christ came, Gentiles in particular were not the people of God (Eph 2:11-13), but now they are together with Jewish believers in one body. So, the word generation in that verse is not referring to a time period there at all, but instead is referring to a certain type of people, which is one of the definitions of the word generation.

Differently, the parable of the fig tree focuses on the fig tree generation not passing away, before all things Jesus spoke of in Matthew 24:15-31 are fulfilled.

You are missing the whole point of the parable of the fig tree.

LOL! No, you are completely missing it by a wide margin. The point Jesus was making in the parable is revealed in the very next verse following that one. He was giving an idea of how near His return would be after they saw "all these things" start to come to pass by comparing it to how soon summer was after a fig tree's branch starts to grow leaves.

You are focusing on the definition of what a generation is.

I'm showing how your definition of the word generation doesn't exist. How can you hope to understand what "this generation" is referring to when you're trying to create a new definition of the word generation that foolishly allows for a generation to be up to 70 or 80 years? That's impossible.

Differently, Jesus was focusing on the parable of the fig tree generation not passing away, before all things Jesus spoke of in Matthew 24:15-31.

He was both talking about how near His return would be once they saw certain things coming to pass AND He was talking about "this generation" passing away once those things were fulfilled.

And also stop falsely accusing me of being dishonest - that I attempting to redefine what a generation is.

I will not do that. You are trying to define a generation as being the life span of human beings and that cannot be! Nowhere will you find that as a definition of the word generation. That is your whole basis for trying to say that the supposed "fig tree generation" started in 1967. That whole idea is based on a nonexistent definition of the word generation that you're using. That is dishonest and I will keep saying that over and over again because that's exactly what it is. You are creating a new definition of the word generation to make Matthew 24:32-34 fit your doctrine which is extremely dishonest of you.

That was not the point of my posts.

More dishonesty. One point you made was that the supposed "fig tree generation" began in 1967 and that is largely based on your false understanding of what the word generation means.

My point has been how long a specific generation, identified as being associated with the fig tree in the parable, has before it passes away.

Yes, exactly! And it can't be 70 years! Hello? Wake up. You try to say that time period is 70 years because of your made up definition of the word generation that says it means a human life span. Nowhere will you find any dictionary that defines the word generation that way! That's why I'm saying you're dishonest because you are creating a new definition for that word that doesn't exist in reality.

And from that, it can be determined, a deadline not later than year, that the 7 year 70th week of Daniel 9:27 will begin.

That's already fulfilled. You are wrong about almost everything when it comes to end times prophecy. You do believe that Jesus will return bodily one day. I think that may literally be the only thing you get right.

The fig tree is Jerusalem, and it being back in the hands of the Jews in 1967 is that generation will not pass away until all things spoken of by Jesus in Matthew 24:15-31 are fulfilled.

Too late, Doug! That's what you're not getting. A generation that refers to a time period cannot possibly be 70 years long as you claim! It's not the life span of humans when used to refer to a time period, it's the amount of time from a parent's generation to the beginning of their children's generation which everyone who isn't biased like you agrees is about 30 to 40 years.

 

[Douggg]

LOL! No, you are completely missing it by a wide margin. The point Jesus was making in the parable is revealed in the very next verse following that one. He was giving an idea of how near His return would be after they saw "all these things" start to come to pass by comparing it to how soon summer was after a fig tree's branch starts to grow leaves.

More to it than that because in verse 34, Jesus said...

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

 

[TribulationSigns]

What Jesus said in Matthew 24:32-34, is a simple; easily understood Prophecy, that those people alive when the 'fig tree' sends forth tender shoots and breaks into leaf, THEN we may know the end is near, at the very door.

You are mixing fig tree (and all other trees) with generation. Bad interpreation.

This Prophecy cannot refer to what happened in the first Century.

I agree. However, the generation Christ talked about also included the wicked people in the first century. They are merely part of the ongoing evil generation that lasted since Cain until today—nothing to do with fig tree and other trees.

It is now fulfilled by the Jewish State of Israel and it is surely obvious to everyone that the situation in the Middle East is set to explode - WITHIN the prescribed 80 year deadline of a persons lifetime, born before May 1948.

You are watching too much Jerusalem Post for Jewish fable interpretation. The fig tree and all other trees have nothing to do with the establishment of the Jewish State in 1948 or 1967. Christ used the fig tree and all other trees in His discourse as an example to know when summer is near. Similarly, when all the things Christ prophesied are about to come to pass, we will know that His coming is near. Christ did NOT ask us to watch for national Israel to reappear and use it as a basis for fulfilling prophecies.

WE will see it all and if people deny this, rejecting the hundred plus Prophesies of end time events, then you are simply; in the dark.

Says a foolish virgin because she lacks the oil to see the signs at midnight when the church is in the darkest period before the Second Coming because he is looking at the wrong Israel!

 

[Douggg]

That is your whole basis for trying to say that the supposed "fig tree generation" started in 1967. That whole idea is based on a nonexistent definition of the word generation that you're using.

I have been saying "the parable of the fig tree generation".

I am of "the baby boomer generation". How is the meaning of "generation" in that phrase any different from what is meant for generation in "the parable of the fig tree generation" ?

 

[TribulationSigns]

I have been saying "the parable of the fig tree generation".

I am of "the baby boomer generation". How is the meaning of "generation" in that phrase any different from what is meant for generation in "the parable of the fig tree generation" ?

Crazy speculation.

 

[Keraz]

when the church is in the darkest period before the Second Coming because he is looking at the wrong Israel!

I know very well that we Christians are the true Israel of God.
But the world and many deceived Christians too, look upon the Jewish State as the only Israel. Many Prophesies tell of their virtual demise, on the Day the Lord destroys His enemies.
As I can prove, it is our destiny to occupy all of the Holy Land and to be His witnesses and His Light to the nations.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

More to it than that because in verse 34, Jesus said...

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

I haven't denied He said that, so you pointing that out is completely pointless and adds nothing of significance to the discussion. I've explained my understanding in Matthew 24:32-34 in detail and did not leave verse 34 out. One thing that I do that you don't do is interpret the word "generation" using one of the actual definitions of the word while you try to create a new definition of the word (human life span) that doesn't exist. How can you do something like that in good conscience? You make up a new definition of the word generation that doesn't exist in any dictionary and you think that's okay to do? You need to repent of your dishonesty.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I have been saying "the parable of the fig tree generation".

Yes, YOU have been saying that. Jesus never did.

I am of "the baby boomer generation". How is the meaning of "generation" in that phrase any different from what is meant for generation in "the parable of the fig tree generation" ?

Doug, do you actually read anything I say? Have you not seen my explanation for my understanding of the word generation? I see it as a type of people, not a time period. Like in 1 Peter 2:9 where Peter used the word generation to refer to a certain type of people (chosen people of God) rather than to a certain period of time.

As for when the word is used for a period of time, how do you think referring to "the baby boomer generation" helps your case that the word refers to the human life span? The baby boomer generation was 19 years in duration (1946 to 1964). You can look that up for yourself and you will see that. Then another generation started. It doesn't refer to the human life span. Look it up for yourself. Your understanding of the word generation is flawed and you are too stubborn to admit it. You could end the discussion right now if you could actually show a definition of the word generation in a dictionary that says it means the human life span. Can you do that, Douggg? I'm sure you can't, so can you admit that?

 

[Zao is life]

Yes, YOU have been saying that. Jesus never did.


Doug, do you actually read anything I say? Have you not seen my explanation for my understanding of the word generation? I see it as a type of people, not a time period. Like in 1 Peter 2:9 where Peter used the word generation to refer to a certain type of people (chosen people of God) rather than to a certain period of time.

As for when the word is used for a period of time, how do you think referring to "the baby boomer generation" helps your case that the word refers to the human life span? The baby boomer generation was 19 years in duration (1946 to 1964). You can look that up for yourself and you will see that. Then another generation started. It doesn't refer to the human life span. Look it up for yourself. Your understanding of the word generation is flawed and you are too stubborn to admit it. You could end the discussion right now if you could actually show a definition of the word generation in a dictionary that says it means the human life span. Can you do that, Douggg? I'm sure you can't, so can you admit that?

@Douggg

Douggg,

Jesus was often talking about the 1st century generation when He said "this generation", but it's a logical fallacy to assume that every time Jesus said "this generation", He was talking about the 1st century generation, because there is no difference in meaning between the English words "this generation", "that generation", "the generation/s", "ancient generations" etc, and the Greek words that they are translated from:

Hebrews 3:10 (talking about the generation in the wilderness during the days of Moses):

"Therefore I was grieved with that generation [o genea] and said, They always err in their heart, and they have not known My ways."

Colossians 1:26 ".. the mystery which has been hidden from ages and from generations [o genea], but now has been revealed to His saints."

Ephesians 3:21 "To him be the glory in the church and in Christ Jesus to all generations [o genea], to the ages of the ages. Amen."

Acts 15:21 "For Moses from ancient generations [genea] has those in every city proclaiming him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day."

Acts 14:16 "who in past generations [genea] allowed all nations to walk in their own ways."

Acts 13:36 "For after he had served his own generation [genea] by the will of God, David fell asleep and was added to his fathers and saw corruption."

The generation that is being referred to in whichever verses the words appear = context:

Luke 17:25 "But first He must suffer many things and be rejected of this [houtos] the generation [o genea].

Luke 11:31 "The queen of the south shall rise up in the Judgment with the men of this [houtos] the generation [o genea] and condemn them. For she came from the ends of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon. And behold, One greater than Solomon is here."

Luke 21:31-32 "So also, when you see these things happening, know that the kingdom of God is near. Truly I say to you, The same [houtos] the generation [o genea] shall not pass away until all these things are fulfilled."

The context of the surrounding passage decides what time or period in history it's referring to, and which generation is being spoken about.

CHECK THE CONTEXT:

Jesus is referring to the signs He had just given regarding the end of the age and His return when He says,

"Behold the fig-tree and all the trees. Now when they sprout leaves, seeing it you will know that summer is now near. So also, when you see these things happening, know that the kingdom of God is near".
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You can't just go adding a veiled reference to something other than what Jesus was talking about, because Jesus simply was not talking about that "something else" (whatever it is you are adding) - He was talking about the signs of the end of the age and His return.

It has nothing to do with the fig tree that Jesus had earlier cursed. That tree will never again produce any leaves or fruit, as Jesus said when He cursed it.​