The battle of Gog and Magog does not happen until after the thousand year reign of Christ

[TribulationSigns]

I didn't even say anything about that in relation to those verses. Slow down and pay attention to the context of what is being said. You had said "So now you think the thousand year reign of Christ is over?" and I was responding to that by showing that His reign never ends. It's Satan's binding that ends when the thousand years ends, but not Christ's reign. That is my point.

Agreed!

Rev 20:1-6
(1) And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
(2) And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
(3) And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
(4) And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
(5) But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
(6) Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The problem with some people believe that all thousand years in Revelation 20 are all one and the same thousand years, speaking about the same period. No its not. The numbers ten and it's multiples (100, 1,000) often illustrates the Fullness of whatever is in view. Therefore the 1,000 signifies that fullness of time...of whatever is in view. Not literal 1,000 years. It signifies the fullness of time of the reign of Christ, the binding of satan, and the rest of the dead live not again, before the second Resurrection. Not the totality of time from the beginning, and not literally one thousand years, but the fullness of time between events spoken of there.

You are correct that the reign of Christ is a time when we will rule with Him FOREVER. This does not mean that our rule with Christ will end after literal 1,000th year. The binding of Satan is a period until the fullness of the Church comes in, and then he will be released. It does not necessarily refer to a literal 1,000 years from the time Satan was bound until the day he is released. It just represents a period as long as the Church is being built, in other words, all gentiles be coming then "and so" ALL Israel shall be saved.

In contrast to those who are born again (the first resurrection in Christ) and reign with Christ immediately upon their physical death, the "rest of the dead" do not live again. These are the people who have not yet been born again (first resurrection) and remain in the grave upon physical death for a thousand years, or until the fullness of time when Christ returns and calls them up to stand for judgment.

It's important to note that not all unsaved people will die for a literal 1,000 years, as each of them died at different times since the days of Cain.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

No, I'm not. You have a reading comprehension problem. Where does it say He will reign on earth?

Who is the one with a reading comprehension problem? You have now asked me that same question 3 times. I already provided the scriptures twice, I’m not going to do it again.

I understand the “Amils” position now on when you think the thousand year reign of Christ began, which is also why you are in error about when Satan is to be bound for a thousand years.

I see no need to keep going over the same arguments. You guys believe what you will.

Peace

 

[strepho]

Ezekiel chapter 39

Prophecy is about Russia.

Russia and thier hordes will invade through Alaska. To attack Canada and America.

Who's involved in this invasion at end of 6th trump ???

China, Libya, parts of eastern Europe, Iran, Ethiopia,

Magog is Russia.

At the 7th trump, God will destroy them. They wont touch America soil.

God wants the heathen to know he's Real.

He doesn't want America and NATO taling credit.

Gods word isnt being taught correctly.

Shepherds are accountable to Jesus.

Its written in Peter.


Judgement starts with house of God.

At 7th trump. Start of the millennium. There's going to be tough discipline and correction on the shepherds.

False shepherds won't be around in the millennium to get in the way teaching the spirtualty dead, people.

Revelation chapter 20

Millennium is time of teaching and discipline for the spirtualty dead.

 

[Douggg]

Do I have this right?

Hamon-gog, the battle of Ezekiel 39 occurs at the 7th Trump, before the Millennium.

Armageddon also happens at the 7th trump (Vials are poured out). Revelation 16:17 — "It is done."

Gog and Magog takes place after the Millennium (Revelation 20:7-9).

No, Hamon-gog will be the name of the valley which will be a mass burial site of Gog's army, i.e. the dead bodies of Gog's army.

Don't try to relate either Gog/Magog nor Armageddon to the 7th trumpet.

Some time before the end of 2030 will be the Gog/Magog attack on Israel. Gog's army will be destroyed supernaturally by God in Israel.

Israel, will then spend 7 months of the 7 years that follow the destruction of Gog's armies burying the dead in valley that will be called "The valley of Hamongog" Ezekiel 39:11-12.

The 7 years, Ezekiel 39:9, are the same 7 years of Daniel 9:27.

The 7 years will be the time of the Antichrist, who will arrive in Israel right after Gog/Magog and be seen as a hero to the Jews. He will be anointed the King of Israel, by the false prophet.

At the end of the 7 years, which the second half will be the great tribulation with all the plagues and judgments in Revelation taking place - then Armageddon will take place.

Ezekiel 39:17-20 is Armageddon, which the kings of the earth will attempt to make war on Jesus, lead by the beast (the Antichrist). Ezekiel 39:17-20 corresponds to Revelation 19:17-18.

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The reference to Gog and Magog in Revelation 20:8 is that it will be the same nations that took part in the Gog/Magog attack on Israel a thousand years early, in Ezekiel 39.

 

[ewq1938]

He's right. Don't be a fool.



So the strong man being bound in Matthew 12:29 is not related to Satan being bound in Revelation 20? You have denied these verses (and the articles that explain the verses) because of your foolish pride.

Is the strong man bound and also cast into a prison with a lock? No.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Is the strong man bound and also cast into a prison with a lock? No.

Think again...in Matthew 12:29, who is a strong man?

What is his house?

What is his goods?

How did he get bound?

Jesus did not have to say with a chain and a key in Matthew 12 becasue these represent something in Revelation 20. Do you know what these are? A literal chain and key that can hold a spirit? Duh.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Who is the one with a reading comprehension problem?

That would be you. You said I contradicted myself and I didn't. You're saying a lot of things that you're not backing up.

You have now asked me that same question 3 times. I already provided the scriptures twice, I’m not going to do it again.

Not that I've seen. Revelation 20 certainly does not mention Jesus ruling on the earth. Tell me how He can rule over an earthly kingdom after this happens when He returns:

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

You should be able to explain how to reconcile your premil doctrine with passages like the one above, John 5:28-29, Matthew 13:36-43, Matthew 13:47-50, Matthew 25:31-46, 1 Thess 4:13-5:11, 2 Thess 1:7-10 and many others. But, you don't want to do that. You make claims about Amil, but then back down any time we challenge your premil belief.

I understand the “Amils” position now on when you think the thousand year reign of Christ began, which is also why you are in error about when Satan is to be bound for a thousand years.

Prove it then. You're doing absolutely nothing to refute the Amil view and support your own view. Scripture teaches that Jesus reigns now (Matt 28:16-18, Eph 1:19-23, Col 1:12-13, Rev 1:5-6), that no mortals will survive His second coming (1 Thess 4:13-5:11, 2 Thess 1:7-10, Matt 24:29-39, Luke 17:26-37, 2 Peter 3:10-13, Rev 19:17-18, etc.), that all of the dead will be resurrected at generally the same hour/time (John 5:28-29, Daniel 12:2, Acts 24:15) and that all people will be judged at the same time (Matt 13:36-43, Matt 13:47-50, Matt 25:31-46). You have done nothing to reconcile your doctrine with those passages, but you think we are in error. Prove it then.

I see no need to keep going over the same arguments. You guys believe what you will.

You won't even engage in discussion of any of the passages I referenced above. Why not?

 

[Keraz]

Prove it then. You're doing absolutely nothing to refute the Amil view and support your own view. Scripture teaches that Jesus reigns now (Matt 28:16-18, Eph 1:19-23, Col 1:12-13, Rev 1:5-6), that no mortals will survive His second coming (1 Thess 4:13-5:11, 2 Thess 1:7-10, Matt 24:29-39, Luke 17:26-37, 2 Peter 3:10-13, Rev 19:17-18, etc.), that all of the dead will be resurrected at generally the same hour/time (John 5:28-29, Daniel 12:2, Acts 24:15) and that all people will be judged at the same time (Matt 13:36-43, Matt 13:47-50, Matt 25:31-46). You have done nothing to reconcile your doctrine with those passages, but you think we are in error.

It isn't hard to disprove the AMill theory:
1/ Jesus is not reigning now, that is glaringly obvious. He does have the authority, but just as David waited many years before becoming King, so is Jesus.
2/ The scriptures you post to refer to the second coming, are not for that glorious event at all. They refer to the coming Sixth Seal - the Lords Day of vengeance and wrath, years before the Return.
3/ ALL the dead will be resurrected for Judgment at the final Judgment, after Jesus has reigned on earth for the final 1000 years of Gods 7000 year plan for mankind.
Note; that there will be living people there too and if their names are found in the Book of Life, they will receive immortality without dying. 1 Corinthians 15:50-56

It is foolishness to think Jesus will Return just to destroy everything.
The clear description of things to happen at the glorious Return, do not match with the vivid Prophesies about the terrible Day of the Lords fiery wrath. There is no fire or worldwide destruction at the Return, even those killed at Armageddon are nor burned, Rev 19:21

The great Reset of our Civilization, Isaiah 66:15-17, +, will be the event which will commence all the Prophesied end times things.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

It isn't hard to disprove the AMill theory:

LOL. Yet, you can't do it. Not even close. So, it is definitely hard for you. So, I'm not sure who you're talking about when you say it's not hard to disprove, but you can't possibly be talking about yourself and your weak arguments.

1/ Jesus is not reigning now, that is glaringly obvious. He does have the authority, but just as David waited many years before becoming King, so is Jesus.

It's actually glaringly obvious that He is reigning now if you actually accept what scripture teaches about that, which you clearly do not.

Matthew 28:16 When the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17 When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

Ephesians 1:19 and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is the same as the mighty strength 20 he exerted when he raised Christ from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, 21 far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every name that is invoked, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. 22 And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, 23 which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.

To claim that Jesus is not reigning now is utter foolishness and blatantly contradicts what scripture teaches. He NOW has all authority in heaven and on earth. He NOW is in a position "far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every name that is invoked...IN THE PRESENT AGE". And God, when He place Him at His right hand in heaven, placed ALL things under Jesus's feet and appointed Him to be head over EVERYTHING for the church". If that isn't reigning, I don't know what is. Your understanding of His reign is clearly flawed and can't be taken seriously.

2/ The scriptures you post to refer to the second coming, are not for that glorious event at all. They refer to the coming Sixth Seal - the Lords Day of vengeance and wrath, years before the Return.

That is total nonsense. At the sixth seal it is said that the great day of His wrath has come at that point, not that it will come years from then. And His wrath consists of the burning up of the entire earth (2 Peter 3:10-12). It will be "sudden destruction" from which His enemies "shall not escape" (1 Thess 5:2-3). You have to ignore so much scripture and take much scripture out of context in order to come to your erroneous conclusions.

3/ ALL the dead will be resurrected for Judgment at the final Judgment, after Jesus has reigned on earth for the final 1000 years of Gods 7000 year plan for mankind.

This is made up fairy tale nonsense. Nowhere does scripture teach a 7,000 year plan of God. You make scripture say what you want it to say rather than accepting what it actually teaches.

Note; that there will be living people there too and if their names are found in the Book of Life, they will receive immortality without dying. 1 Corinthians 15:50-56

All believers from all-time will have their bodies changed to be immortal at the last trumpet (1 Corinthians 15:50-56), which is when Jesus will return and will judge all mankind from all-time (Matthew 25:31-46).

It is foolishness to think Jesus will Return just to destroy everything.

It is foolishness to think otherwise when that is exactly what Peter very clearly taught here:

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare. 11 Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives 12 as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. 13 But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells.

The clear description of things to happen at the glorious Return, do not match with the vivid Prophesies about the terrible Day of the Lords fiery wrath. There is no fire or worldwide destruction at the Return, even those killed at Armageddon are nor burned, Rev 19:21

You are taking figurative text literally there. Do you think Jesus will be literally slaying His enemies with a literal sword coming out of His mouth at His return? If that's what you think, then you just have no discernment about this whatsoever.

 

[Keraz]

LOL. Yet, you can't do it. Not even close. So, it is definitely hard for you. So, I'm not sure who you're talking about when you say it's not hard to disprove, but you can't possibly be talking about yourself and your weak arguments.


It's actually glaringly obvious that He is reigning now if you actually accept what scripture teaches about that, which you clearly do not.

Matthew 28:16 When the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17 When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

Ephesians 1:19 and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is the same as the mighty strength 20 he exerted when he raised Christ from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, 21 far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every name that is invoked, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. 22 And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, 23 which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.

To claim that Jesus is not reigning now is utter foolishness and blatantly contradicts what scripture teaches. He NOW has all authority in heaven and on earth. He NOW is in a position "far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every name that is invoked...IN THE PRESENT AGE". And God, when He place Him at His right hand in heaven, placed ALL things under Jesus's feet and appointed Him to be head over EVERYTHING for the church". If that isn't reigning, I don't know what is. Your understanding of His reign is clearly flawed and can't be taken seriously.


That is total nonsense. At the sixth seal it is said that the great day of His wrath has come at that point, not that it will come years from then. And His wrath consists of the burning up of the entire earth (2 Peter 3:10-12). It will be "sudden destruction" from which His enemies "shall not escape" (1 Thess 5:2-3). You have to ignore so much scripture and take much scripture out of context in order to come to your erroneous conclusions.


This is made up fairy tale nonsense. Nowhere does scripture teach a 7,000 year plan of God. You make scripture say what you want it to say rather than accepting what it actually teaches.


All believers from all-time will have their bodies changed to be immortal at the last trumpet (1 Corinthians 15:50-56), which is when Jesus will return and will judge all mankind from all-time (Matthew 25:31-46).


It is foolishness to think otherwise when that is exactly what Peter very clearly taught here:

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare. 11 Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives 12 as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. 13 But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells.


You are taking figurative text literally there. Do you think Jesus will be literally slaying His enemies with a literal sword coming out of His mouth at His return? If that's what you think, then you just have no discernment about this whatsoever.

You are almost foaming at the mouth, in your attempts to prove the false teaching of AMill.
Actual elapsed years show the truth of Gods 7000 year plan.

It is a shocking rejection of much Bible Prophecy, to think the next event will be Jesus will destroying the world.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You are almost foaming at the mouth, in your attempts to prove the false teaching of AMill.

LOL. Ridiculous. You're making a complete fool of yourself and that's your own fault. You have done less than NOTHING to refute Amil. This is all you could come up with because you can't refute any of my points. That is obvious. You're all talk and no substance. Your interpretations are a joke. But, I'm supposedly foaming at the mouth? You just don't like that I'm destroying your weak arguments.

Actual elapsed years show the truth of Gods 7000 year plan.

LOL. You are making this up in your imagination. Let's talk about scripture here, not your fantasies.

It is a shocking rejection of much Bible Prophecy, to think the next event will be Jesus will destroying the world.

It's shocking how little discernment you have of OT Bible prophecies. You don't allow the NT to help you interpret them and that is foolish.

 

[Keraz]

You are making this up in your imagination. Let's talk about scripture here, not your fantasies.

The timeline I have prepared, has 47 scriptures. They all add up to an exact 2000 years Adam to Abraham, then to the conquest of Judah by Babylon plus the 613.5 years elapsed to Jesus is another exact 2000 years.
Now we are nearly at the third tranche of 2000 years and after Jesus Returns, He will reign for the final 1000 years, making the total of 7000 years for Gods plan for mankind to be complete.

So, your accusations backfire in your face and AMill is discredited.

 

[Jay Ross]

The timeline I have prepared, has 47 scriptures. They all add up to an exact 2000 years Adam to Abraham, then to the conquest of Judah by Babylon plus the 613.5 years elapsed to Jesus is another exact 2000 years.
Now we are nearly at the third tranche of 2000 years and after Jesus Returns, He will reign for the final 1000 years, making the total of 7000 years for Gods plan for mankind to be complete.

I wish that I can accept your claim above, but from my study of the Old Testament Chronology I believe that Abraham was born 1,949 years after the creation of Adam, and Christ was born in the year 4097 after the Creation of Adam. Based on this progression I believe that the end of this present age will occur at the end of the 6,144 year from the creation of Adam. Now if there are seven ages each around 1,024 years in duration, then the final judgement of mankind will occur around the year 7,168 year after the creation of Adam. All of these number make sense to me and add up so to speak.

Now the next major event in the end times is the gathering of the kings of the earth at Armageddon to be judged in around 20 years from now after the end of the sixth age. During the seventh age there is a period of 1,000 years where the judged heavenly hosts and the kings of the earth will be imprisoned in the Bottomless pit, after which the Bottomless pit will be unlocked when the imprisoned Heavenly Hosts and the King of the earth will have a period of around 24 years in which to do their worst before they are dispatched into the Lake of fire, after which all of the rest of Mankind will be judged as to their righteousness before the Lord.

Whether or not the 24 years of the little while period is shortened or not is dependent on God's choice to intervene in the final acts of Satan and the other heavenly hosts and their influence over the peoples of the earth. Now since this is a distant future event still, it is fruitless for us to speculate as to whether the little while period is shortened or not and how much it will be shortened by.

Now from Rev 20 we know that during the time that of the Heavenly Hosts are locked up in the Bottomless pit with Satan for a period of 1,000 years, that Christ, will reign undisturbed as our High Priest until the Bottomless pit is unlocked after 1,000 years and that Satan will go around with an army to overcome the Saints, with an army gathered from among the nations of Gog and Magog, across all of the earth and finally coming to Jerusalem when this army will be overcome by God and the Birds of the air are called to the feast of the flesh of the people that have made up Satan's army of men.

I hope that this helps.

Shalom

 

[Earburner]

The battle of Armageddon happens before the thousand year reign of Christ.

You got that wrong. Armageddon will come "suddenly" after this present Age of God's Grace, when after faith in Christ has "expired". But it's not God who has pre-set the "expiration date". It will be the extreme wickedness of mankind and their "weapons of mass destruction", and for the elects sake, that causes God to shorten the days of His work of salvation.
Mat. 24
[22] And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh [animal flesh included] be saved [spared]: but for the elect's sake [born again Christians] that those days shall be shortened.
The figurative 1000 years is expiring now!

The battle of Gog and Magog happens afterAge the thousand years.

Sorry. You got that wrong too. In the 24 hr. Day of Christ's return, "in flaming [fiery] fire", that is Armageddon. KJV Luke 17:28-30; 2 Thes. 1:7-10.

Both battles are similar in that it is “the nations” of the world that come up against Israel in both battles.

Nope! That's not right! It's only one battle called "Armageddon". "Gog and Magog", is just another way of defining Armageddon.

Oh, by the way, Israel, "the mother of harlots", will get "her" just reward through the 10 horns.

 

[Douggg]

I hope that this helps.

Shalom

Jay, another approach is the parable of the fig tree generation. 1967 + 70 years =2037. The 1000 years of Revelation 20 will begin by the end of 2037.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The timeline I have prepared, has 47 scriptures. They all add up to an exact 2000 years Adam to Abraham, then to the conquest of Judah by Babylon plus the 613.5 years elapsed to Jesus is another exact 2000 years.
Now we are nearly at the third tranche of 2000 years and after Jesus Returns, He will reign for the final 1000 years, making the total of 7000 years for Gods plan for mankind to be complete.

So, your accusations backfire in your face and AMill is discredited.

Your made up fairy tale proves nothing. No one knows the day or hour of His coming, so it is baseless to act like He has to come on the last day of the 6,000th year of history. That is total nonsense. And there is no future 1,000 year reign of Christ on the earth. Also, you are completely ignoring Satan's little season which would add some more years beyond your imaginary 7000 year plan. Your view comes only from your imagination and not from scripture.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Jay, another approach is the parable of the fig tree generation. 1967 + 70 years =2037. The 1000 years of Revelation 20 will begin by the end of 2037.

LOL. A generation is not 70 years. Once it doesn't happen in 2037 then you will add even more years to "the fig tree generation". This nonsense can't be taken seriously.

 

[Jay Ross]

Jay, another approach is the parable of the fig tree generation. 1967 + 70 years =2037. The 1000 years of Revelation 20 will begin by the end of 2037.

Douggg, your understanding of the Matt 24:32 Fig Tree parable shows that you have no understanding at all. The time from when the Fig Tree began to bud, in 1948, to when the Summer Season begins is around 96 day/years plus or minus a year or two depending on how long the early spring cut into the winter season to bring forth the new leaf buds. Then from Rev 20 we know that the summer season is made up of two components, the first being 1,000 years in duration which is then followed by the Little While Period after the Bottomless Pit is unlocked when Satan and his fellow heavenly host attempt to upsurge God and His salvation plan for mankind and fail, being captured, Satan is also dispatched into the Lake of Fire where the Beast and the False Prophet are also dispatched into just before Satan was also.

The Greek word "genea" also has the understanding of "an age" or period of time as shown below: -



The Fig tree began budding in 1948 when the nation of Israel was established in just one day. Now the capture of the Temple mound in 1967, as you are suggesting, was not the establishment of the nation of Israel which is often referred to in the Old Testament as a fig tree.

Around the year 2044 AD is when the visitation of the iniquities of the fathers upon then children and the children's children will be completed and at the same time Isaiah 24:21-22 will be fulfilled when the kings of the earth gather at Armageddon to be judged for their trampling of Israel over a period of some 2,300 years from around the year 250 BC, and the judged kings of the earth and the judged heavenly hosts will be imprisoned for many days, namely 1,000 years, before they will be punished for their iniquities.

After the fulness, with respect to time, of the Gentiles is completed, all of Israel will be saved. Romans 11:25-26.

Douggg, your lack of understanding of the end times is showing in your response to what I had posted.

Goodbye

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Many confuse the timing of the battle of Gog and Magog with current events happening today. But the battle of Gog and Magog does not happen until after the thousand year reign of Christ as is written…


This resurrection of the saints is also shown in Ezekiel 37:11-14

11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.

12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

13 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.”

This resurrection of God’s people precedes the battle of Gog and Magog shown in the next chapter.

Notice Israel in Ezekiel 38 is shown without walls…

8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them."



9 Thou shalt ascend and come like a storm, thou shalt be like a cloud to cover the land, thou, and all thy bands, and many people with thee.

10 Thus saith the Lord God; It shall also come to pass, that at the same time shall things come into thy mind, and thou shalt think an evil thought:

11 And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,”

At present modern day Israel has very high walls and also many bars and gates, so this is not describing modern day Israel, which is also not at rest and dwelling safely as described above.

Also if you notice the weapons they use in the battle are not modern day weapons, and also notice they are on horses…

Ezekiel 38:4 “And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army,horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:”

Just because Gog and Magog appear in two passages, that does not mean they are the same and in this case they are not.

1. Ez. 37 is not the rapture of the church but the rebirth of Israel which tool place in 1948.

2. those involved in the Magog and Gog of rev. 20 are different than Ezekiel.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Here Gog and Magog are in the four corners of the earth which is a euphemism for the planet. when they march, God sends fire and destroys them and the Great White Throne is established for final udgment.

While in Ezekiel, the people in the invasion are limited:

Ezekiel 38

King James Version

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38 And the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,
2 Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him,
3 And say, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:
4 And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:
5 Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet:
6 Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee.

Russia , Turkey, Ethiopia, Iran, Libya and some of the "istans".

As for Israel behind walls? I have been there and that is not true! Israel lives securely though they are under attack.

11 And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,

12 To take a spoil, and to take a prey; to turn thine hand upon the desolate places that are now inhabited, and upon the people that are gathered out of the nations, which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the midst of the land.

they do dwell safely, they trust iron dome, jericho missiles et. al.

Also the results are vastly different.


15 And thou shalt come from thy place out of the north parts, thou, and many people with thee, all of them riding upon horses, a great company, and a mighty army:

16 And thou shalt come up against my people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be in the latter days, and I will bring thee against my land, that the heathen may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes.

17 Thus saith the Lord God; Art thou he of whom I have spoken in old time by my servants the prophets of Israel, which prophesied in those days many years that I would bring thee against them?

18 And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord God, that my fury shall come up in my face.

19 For in my jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel;

20 So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.

21 And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord God: every man's sword shall be against his brother.

22 And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone.

23 Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I am the Lord.

39 Therefore, thou son of man, prophesy against Gog, and say, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:

2 And I will turn thee back, and leave but the sixth part of thee, and will cause thee to come up from the north parts, and will bring thee upon the mountains of Israel:

3 And I will smite thy bow out of thy left hand, and will cause thine arrows to fall out of thy right hand.

4 Thou shalt fall upon the mountains of Israel, thou, and all thy bands, and the people that is with thee: I will give thee unto the ravenous birds of every sort, and to the beasts of the field to be devoured.

5 Thou shalt fall upon the open field: for I have spoken it, saith the Lord God.

6 And I will send a fire on Magog, and among them that dwell carelessly in the isles: and they shall know that I am the Lord.

7 So will I make my holy name known in the midst of my people Israel; and I will not let them pollute my holy name any more: and the heathen shall know that I am the Lord, the Holy One in Israel.

8 Behold, it is come, and it is done, saith the Lord God; this is the day whereof I have spoken.

9 And they that dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the handstaves, and the spears, and they shall burn them with fire seven years:

10 So that they shall take no wood out of the field, neither cut down any out of the forests; for they shall burn the weapons with fire: and they shall spoil those that spoiled them, and rob those that robbed them, saith the Lord God.


Israel will burn the weapons of war for fuel for seven years. You think they need to do so in eternity?

They will be burying the dead for seven months-once again into eternity.

No the Ezekiel invasion is a pre tribulation invasion by at least 3 1/2 years before the trib starts. Because in the mid point of the tribulation Israel flees for their lives, they will not be gathering weapons for fuel!

REv. is after the Millennial reign of Jesus when Satan is loosed to deceive one more time and the armies are destroyed by god and eternity begins with the white throne judgment seat.

 

[Douggg]

Douggg, your understanding of the Matt 24:32 Fig Tree parable shows that you have no understanding at all. The time from when the Fig Tree began to bud, in 1948, to when the Summer Season begins is around 96 day/years plus or minus a year or two depending on how long the early spring cut into the winter season to bring forth the new leaf buds.

Jay, there are two factors in the parable of the fig tree.

1. when it begins to bud. Which requires to identify what is the fig tree in the parable.

Matthew 21:19, as Jesus as the disciples were about to enter Jerusalem, that final week, Jesus cursed a fig tree beside the road for having no figs, fruit. And the fig tree withered up and died.

The fig treee represents Jerusalem. Back in the hands of the Jews in 1967.

2. how long is a generation. Psalms 90:10, three score and ten. 70 years.


1967 +70 = 2037 Not later than end of 2037, the 1000 years of Revelation 20 will begin. The parable of the fig tree generation is what Jesus gave as the indicator of His Return.

The fig tree cannot represent Israel in the parable because those numbers have expired.

1948 +70 = 2018