The battle of Gog and Magog does not happen until after the thousand year reign of Christ

[Stewardofthemystery]

Many confuse the timing of the battle of Gog and Magog with current events happening today. But the battle of Gog and Magog does not happen until after the thousand year reign of Christ as is written…

Revelation 20:7-9 7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog,to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.”​

This event happens after the resurrection of the saints as shown in Revelation 20: 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.



This resurrection of the saints is also shown in Ezekiel 37:11-14

11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.

12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

13 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.”

This resurrection of God’s people precedes the battle of Gog and Magog shown in the next chapter.

Notice Israel in Ezekiel 38 is shown without walls…

8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them."



9 Thou shalt ascend and come like a storm, thou shalt be like a cloud to cover the land, thou, and all thy bands, and many people with thee.

10 Thus saith the Lord God; It shall also come to pass, that at the same time shall things come into thy mind, and thou shalt think an evil thought:

11 And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,”

At present modern day Israel has very high walls and also many bars and gates, so this is not describing modern day Israel, which is also not at rest and dwelling safely as described above.

Also if you notice the weapons they use in the battle are not modern day weapons, and also notice they are on horses…

Ezekiel 38:4 “And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army,horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:”

This makes perfect sense because the earth is determined to burned up along with everything that is in it, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat. So not only will the current walls surrounding Israel be destroyed, but also all the modern day weapons shall be destroyed in the inferno that is coming upon the earth.

But we are told by God's words that a few men shall be left after this fiery destruction…

Isaiah 24:6 “Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: thereforethe inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.”

God said in Ezekiel 39 that He would leave a “sixth part” of Gog that will come upon the mountains of Israel in verse 2 “And I will turn thee back, and leave but the sixth part of thee, and will cause thee to come up from the north parts, and will bring thee upon the mountains of Israel:”

This portion that remains after the wrath of God is poured out on the earth is shown in Daniel as the rest of the beasts that had their dominion taken away, whose lives were prolonged for a season and time, or for a thousand years as shown in the Revelation.

Daniel 7:12 “As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.”

So the next big battle to take placebefore the resurrection of the saints is the battle of Armageddon, not the battle of Gog and Magog, which happens after the resurrection of the saints and after the thousand year reign of Christ.

Peace and God bless

 

[Jay Ross]

So, the next big battle to take place before the resurrection of the saints is the battle of Armageddon, not the battle of Gog and Magog, which happens after the resurrection of the saints and after the thousand-year reign of Christ.

You are right in your statement quoted. The Judgement of the Kings of the earth at the place called Armageddon will take place at the end of this present age in around 20 years' time. It is also associated with the prophecy in Isaiah 24:21-22 and tells us that the judged Heavenly hosts and the judged kings of the earth will be imprisoned for many days to await the time of their punishment. In the Book of Revelation, we are told that the many days period will be 1,000 years and that the pit is the Bottomless pit.

Shalom

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

It is also associated with the prophecy in Isaiah 24:21-22 and tells us that the judged Heavenly hosts and the judged kings of the earth will be imprisoned for many days to await the time of their punishment. In the Book of Revelation, we are told that the many days period will be 1,000 years and that the pit is the Bottomless pit.

Shalom

You are right, when I first saw that prophecy in Isaiah it reminded me of Psalm 149 where the kings are bound in chains.

Isaiah 24:21-22​

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21 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.
22 And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days shall they be visited.”

Psalm 149:6-9​

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6 Let the high praises of God be in their mouth, and a two-edged sword in their hand;
7 To execute vengeance upon the heathen, and punishments upon the people;
8 To bind their kings with chains, and their nobles with fetters of iron;
9 To execute upon them the judgment written: this honour have all his saints. Praise ye the Lord.”

As we also know the host of the high ones is speaking of the evil angels and Satan being bound.

Revelation 20:2
And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

 

[Stash]

We teach that Armageddon and Gog and Magog
Happen at the same time, Armageddon is in Jerusalem Gog and Magog will be an attack on the USA through Russia. Gog and Magog is the location in northern Russia.

All happens right before the real Jesus shows up

 

[Cassandra]

We teach that Armageddon and Gog and Magog
Happen at the same time, Armageddon is in Jerusalem Gog and Magog will be an attack on the USA through Russia. Gog and Magog is the location in northern Russia.

All happens right before the real Jesus shows up

Looks like its AFTER the 1000 years. How is that resolved?

Not to mention, there is a spiritual war as well. Where is that in your timeline, and should the Antichrist be a spiritual religious figure and not a warmonger, or both-- perhaps the union of church and state?

 

[TribulationSigns]

Many confuse the timing of the battle of Gog and Magog with current events happening today. But the battle of Gog and Magog does not happen until after the thousand year reign of Christ as is written…

Revelation 20:7-9 7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog,to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.”​

This event happens after the resurrection of the saints as shown in Revelation 20: 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

True, "IF" you got the timing of the millennial kingdom correct. Not in the future as premillennialists believe. The 1,000 millennial kingdom is the church. Satan was bound by Christ at the Cross for 1,000 years (fullness of time of whatever is in view, not 1,000 literal years) so that Christ could build the church with people being born again by hearing the Gospel. Do you realize that being born again IS the First Resurrection in Christ - when we were made alive from the spiritual dead?

The battle of Gog and Magog comes at the end of the millennial kingdom when the church has become apostasy and desolation which is a prelude to the Second Coming. That's it!

 

[Douggg]

So the next big battle to take placebefore the resurrection of the saints is the battle of Armageddon, not the battle of Gog and Magog, which happens after the resurrection of the saints and after the thousand year reign of Christ.

No, Armageddon takes place 7 years after the Gog/Magog event of Ezekiel 39.

1. Gog/Magog
2. then, 7 years, Ezekiel 39:9
3. then, Armageddon, Ezekiel 39:17-20
4. Jesus's Return, His Second Coming, Ezekiel 39:21-20

The referral to Gog and Magog in Revelation 20:8 is that it will be the same nations that made up Gog/Magog a thousand years earlier.

 

[Jay Ross]

You are right, when I first saw that prophecy in Isaiah it reminded me of Psalm 149 where the kings are bound in chains.

Just ignore the so-called experts that have jumped into the ring to condemn what you and I have posted. At present we are halfway through the Six bowl judgement from the time of the signs and wonders that were done and seen around the world at the time of their unfolding, that occur on the day of 9/11/2001. Armageddon will occur around forty years after the invasion of Iraq because of Iraq's involvement in the 9/11 event.

It is not worth our responding to their flawed understandings.

Shalom

 

[TribulationSigns]

No, Armageddon takes place 7 years after the Gog/Magog event of Ezekiel 39.

1. Gog/Magog
2. then, 7 years, Ezekiel 39:9
3. then, Armageddon, Ezekiel 39:17-20
4. Jesus's Return, His Second Coming, Ezekiel 39:21-20

The referral to Gog and Magog in Revelation 20:8 is that it will be the same nations that made up Gog/Magog a thousand years earlier.

According to Bible prophesy, your supposition is 100 percent INCORRECT. Gog and Magog are not symbols of Russia, Muslims, Iraq or African nations. This is the stuff of Hal Lindsey and other fanciful unbiblical prognosticators. No one who has done their homework in the bible would make such claims. Gog and Magog is a SYMBOL of all the gentiles or nations (unsaved) of the world who assault the camp of saints. ...which is the Church, not national Israel. It is the EXACT SAME nations of the world that God tells us Satan was bound in the first place, so they would not be deceived so that the church could be build. At the time of the end, after Christ has finished building His Church, Satan will then be loosed and those same nations that were prevented from being deceived, are then deceived. They aren't political nations, they weren't prevented from destroying the political congregation of Israel, but the Church that was at Satan's binding, the Israel of God. Thus, being loosed, Satan proceeds to do what he was bound from doing for the millennial reign of the Kingdom on earth. It has nothing to do with political nations whether Israel or Russia, and it has nothing to do with physical weapons of warfare, famine or world leaders.

Revelation 20:7-9

• "And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
• And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
• And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them."

When you discover how Satan was bound so he couldn't deceive the Nations/Gentiles, then you will discover how when he is loosed he does deceive the Nations/Gentiles that they assault the camp of the saints. And the camp of the saints is not the political nation of Israel, but the Church, the only saints on the New Testament side of the cross, ALL OVER THE WORLD where Gog and Magog attacks! All these ideas about Russia, Libya, Africans and Muslims (and national Israel) is the sensationalist rhetoric of those who have very little understanding of scripture, its interpretation (which belongs to God) or prophesy.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Satan was bound by Christ at the Cross for 1,000 years (fullness of time of whatever is in view, not 1,000 literal years) so that Christ could build the church with people being born again by hearing the Gospel. Do you realize that being born again IS the First Resurrection in Christ - when we were made alive from the spiritual dead?

The battle of Gog and Magog comes at the end of the millennial kingdom when the church has become apostasy and desolation which is a prelude to the Second Coming. That's it!

Satan was cast out of heaven at/or right after the cross, he was not bound. Jesus announced when Satan was cast out of heaven down to the earth.

John 12:31
Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.

Rev 12 confirms the timing….

7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him

Jesus announced his coming to earth…

John 14:30
Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

No, Armageddon takes place 7 years after the Gog/Magog event of Ezekiel 39.

1. Gog/Magog
2. then, 7 years, Ezekiel 39:9
3. then, Armageddon, Ezekiel 39:17-20
4. Jesus's Return, His Second Coming, Ezekiel 39:21-20

The referral to Gog and Magog in Revelation 20:8 is that it will be the same nations that made up Gog/Magog a thousand years earlier.

I disagree the battle of Armageddon happens before the thousand year reign of Christ, and the battle of Gog and Magog happens after the thousand years is completed.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Satan was cast out of heaven at/or right after the cross, he was not bound. Jesus announced when Satan was cast out of heaven down to the earth.

John 12:31
Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.

Rev 12 confirms the timing….

7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him

Jesus announced his coming to earth…

John 14:30
Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

There are several things you do not seem to understand here yet. For example, the heaven, Satan, messengers (angels), earth, and how Satan and his messengers lost their place in "heaven".

What heaven did the Lord talk about in Revelation 12? Is it literal heaven where God sits where Satan and Archangel Micheals and the allies fought with laser beams and fiery swords? Or is it the kingdom of heaven that the congregation of Israel ON EARTH represents where the human messengers wage war with words? Think about it.

Satan, the dragon, that old serpent is NOT a supernatural being created by God in the beginning as many of you thought. The name Satan symbolically represents the adversarial spirit of man - the spirit of disobedience within every man who has opposed God's Will and Word! For IN EVERY UNSAVED PERSON is a devil, an adversarial spirit that keeps him from reconciliation with God. Get it? They were the leaders of Israel, the Pharisees, Scribes, and their supporters who wage spiritual war with their word or doctrines against Christ (Micheal) and his followers in Jersualem, the site of the Old Testament congregation of Israel. The s spirit of man ruled some of the messengers (not literal angels) of that kingdom and caused a rebellion against God. This took place in ISRAEL! Not in literal heaven! This took place at the time of the Cross. This was what brought desolation or ruin to that congregation of Israel. They are the messengers of God cast down. What it actually means is that Christ casts THIS spirit of disobedience down and binds him for 1,000 years until the church of the nations/gentiles is built. This is HOW people get saved by God restraining our spirit of disobedience and replacing it with His Spirit, the Holy Spirit.

The woman in the text symbolizes the kingdom of heaven and the congregation of Israel. She represented the Old Testament Israel at that time, but due to Israel's rejection of the Messiah and their role in his crucifixion, God removed their representation of the kingdom and transferred it to the Church. Remember it was Jesus who told the Jewish leaders to destroy the temple (which represents the temple of his body, the congregation) and in three days he would raise it up? Therefore, the New Testament Church now serves as the representative of God's kingdom on Earth. The mention of the woman fleeing into the wilderness signifies the Church being sent into the world to spread the message of salvation, just as God provided manna in the wilderness. Selah!

Jesus cast the spirit of disobedience that deceived men OUT OF HIS KINGDOM as the Old Testament Israel fell, then in three days, He established His New Covenant kingdom through the church (now represents woman) sent to the world (wilderness) where salvation is possible to mankind by hearing the Gospel after the Cross:

Rev 12:9-11
(9) And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
(10) And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
(11) And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

Selah!

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

What heaven did the Lord talk about in Revelation 12? Is it literal heaven where God sits where Satan and Archangel Micheals and the allies fought with laser beams and fiery swords? Or is it the kingdom of heaven that the congregation of Israel ON EARTH represents where the human messengers wage war with words? Think about it.

Satan, the dragon, that old serpent is NOT a supernatural being created by God in the beginning as many of you thought. The name Satan symbolically represents the adversarial spirit of man - the spirit of disobedience within every man who has opposed God's Will and Word! For IN EVERY UNSAVED PERSON is a devil, an adversarial spirit that keeps him from reconciliation with God. Get it? They were the leaders of Israel, the Pharisees, Scribes, and their supporters who wage spiritual war with their word or doctrines against Christ (Micheal) and his followers in Jersualem, the site of the Old Testament congregation of Israel. The s spirit of man ruled some of the messengers (not literal angels) of that kingdom and caused a rebellion against God. This took place in ISRAEL! Not in literal heaven! This took place at the time of the Cross. This was what brought desolation or ruin to that congregation of Israel. They are the messengers of God cast down. What it actually means is that Christ casts THIS spirit of disobedience down and binds him for 1,000 years until the church of the nations/gentiles is built. This is HOW people get saved by God restraining our spirit of disobedience and replacing it with His Spirit, the Holy Spirit.

The woman in the text symbolizes the kingdom of heaven and the congregation of Israel. She represented the Old Testament Israel at that time, but due to Israel's rejection of the Messiah and their role in his crucifixion, God removed their representation of the kingdom and transferred it to the Church. Remember it was Jesus who told the Jewish leaders to destroy the temple (which represents the temple of his body, the congregation) and in three days he would raise it up? Therefore, the New Testament Church now serves as the representative of God's kingdom on Earth. The mention of the woman fleeing into the wilderness signifies the Church being sent into the world to spread the message of salvation, just as God provided manna in the wilderness. Selah!

Jesus cast the spirit of disobedience that deceived men OUT OF HIS KINGDOM as the Old Testament Israel fell, then in three days, He established His New Covenant kingdom through the church (now represents woman) sent to the world (wilderness) where salvation is possible to mankind by hearing the Gospel after the Cross:

Rev 12:9-11
(9) And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
(10) And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
(11) And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

Selah!

Satan is an angel, and angels are spirits. Satan the angel/ spirit was cast out of heaven above DOWN to the earth below as is written.

Rev. 12 is not talking about the spirit of the Devil being cast out of individuals, but out of heaven itself.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

When Satan was cast out of heaven down to earth when Christ was crucified, this BEGAN the judgment of this the world.

John 12:31
Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.

This is why it is written ….

Revelation 12:12
Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

This event marked the beginning of the judgements. Satan being cast down to earth was the first seal judgment.

Revelation 6

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6 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.
2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Satan is an angel, and angels are spirits. Satan the angel/ spirit was cast out of heaven above DOWN to the earth below as is written.

I think you need to read the Scripture on who Satan is:

Ephesians 2:2-3

• "Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
• Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others."

Satan is a spirit being that works through men. He was not a supernatural being that God created. We all had Satan's spirit within us since we were born, before some of us was born again when the Holy Spirit replaced him in our heart. Jesus said:

Matthew 12:28-29

• "But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.
• Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house."

Clearly, Christ has equated the casting out of devils with the salvation of the Kingdom of God. Christ spoiled (or seized by right of conquest) Satan's goods by first binding him. We, the Elect, are those goods--the spoil of His conquest. We were Satan's "possessions" or the captivity because we were his children of disobedience, which Christ seized by the right of conquest that we would be delivered out of his grip and translated into the Kingdom of Heaven. In the spiritual sense (as Christ was saying), the Kingdom of heaven had come for us because Satan was cast out (Matthew 12:28). We are loosed or set free from Satan's captivity, his bondage, his slavery, through the promised work of Christ--as it is written:

Hebrews 2:14-15

• "Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
• And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage."

We were in possession of spirit called Satan, not free, but in captivity as his slaves, and Christ came to set us free. To be possessed by the devil means that Satan would have come back to once again be our Master where he has us under his dominion, power (Colossians 1:13) and control. This possession is evidenced by our servitude to him. And that cannot be for someone who was truly saved.

Luke 4:6-8

• "And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.
• If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine.
• And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve."

We either serve God, or the Devil as our master, but not both. If we are possessed by the Spirit of God, then we will be the Temple of God worshiping God. If we are possessed by the spirit of Satan, the spirit of the antichrist, then we will be worshiping Satan which is YOUR spirit (before you were born again and filled with the Holy Spirit).

Rev. 12 is not talking about the spirit of the Devil being cast out of individuals, but out of heaven itself.

You don't get it. Satan, a spirit, that rules in men will be cast out of the kingdom of heaven, the congregation of Israel, so that the Salvation gospel can come to men. In other words, Satan will no longer deceive those within the congregation UNTIL the building of the church with all Elect being sealed, then Satan will be loosened to deceive again. It is not about a supernatural physically fell from a literal heaven. You are looking in the wrong place and with the wrong doctrine about Satan being created as an "archangel" first, before his fall.

 

[TribulationSigns]

When Satan was cast out of heaven down to earth when Christ was crucified, this BEGAN the judgment of this the world.

John 12:31
Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.

When Christ was resurrected from the dead, bruising Satan's head or authority, it signaled Satan's defeat in that his power over the nations (revelation chapter 20) of the world was broken. This is what Christ meant when He said:

John 12:31-32

• "Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
• And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me."

Even as the disciples were given power and declared that the demons were subject to them through Christ's name. Jesus replied, "I saw Satan as lightning fall from heaven." It's all figures of the same event of the defeat of Satan by Christ.

This is why it is written ….

Revelation 12:12
Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Again, you don't get it.

Revelation 12:12

• "Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe unto the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time."

The earth and sea are symbolic of the world. Just as the ships are symbolic of the Church in the world or as when Jesus said, I will make you fishers of men. The fish were men in the sea (world). Our Job as Christians is to go fishing for them! By no stretch of the imagination was God talking about literal fish or sea creatures when He said "Woe unto the inhibitors of the sea". Again, the inhabitors of the sea are a symbolic term for peoples of the world. The Devil is cast out of the Kingdom of heaven, and he has great wrath, and it's woe unto those messengers cast out with him to inhabit the sea/earth (world). For they have been "cut off" and will perish in the earth and in the sea. Selah!

Though Satan is bound FOR the kingdom of Heaven's sake, for the world, he goes about as a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour (1st peter 5:8). The 2/3 have been cut off, the 1/3rd has been brought through the fire and purified. Satan knows the time is short. The wrath of satan is revealed in those cut off to inhabit the earth. Woe unto those people, for they will die in their sins. This symbolism can be seen in passages such as Matthew chapter 8 as Jesus comes upon "2" men possessed with devils and heals them (They are illustrative of the church before we are saved). And we read:

Matthew 8:29-31

• "And, behold, they cried out, saying, what have we to do with thee, Jesus, Thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?
  
  
• and there was a good way off from them a herd of many swine feeding. So the Devils besought Him, saying, If thou cast us out, suffer us to go away into the herd of swine.
  
  
• and He said unto them, Go, and when they were come out, they went into the herd of swine; and behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and perished in the waters."

This is a spiritual picture! A careful demonstration of what happens when Satan is cast out. It's Glorious for the two men who are set free, but it's woe to those of the swine of the earth who he is allowed to go into. Do already forget that the swine and dogs are symbolic of those opposed to the gospel, as in the scripture, "Cast not your pearls before swine"? Humm? Woe unto these, because Satan inhabits them with wrath, and they perish in the sea! Get it? And please note that the devils say to Jesus in Matthew 8:29, "Have you come to torment us before the time?" You see, they know what time it is. This is what Revelation 12:12 is illustrating when it says Satan knows that he hath but a short time, and it's woe to the inhabitors of the sea!

Selah!

Revelation 6​

6 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.
2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

Stop it, you got this all wrong. The white horse is NOT Satan. It is Jesus Christ who has gone forth and conquered/overcome Satan, where were are more than conquerors in Christ. Think about it in Matthew 12, if Christ had not conquered and spoiled strong man (Satan)'s house, and Satan wasn't bound 2,000 years ago, then all of us are STILL HELD in captivity, still in spiritual bondage to him, and were NEVER made free or translated into Christ's kingdom. That cannot be. Read carefully:

Matthew 12:28-29

1. "But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.
2. Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house."

Christ did cast out devils by the Spirit of God therefore the promised Kingdom of God has ALREADY come. In Christ's parable detailing this mystery, the strong man here is Satan, his house is the captivity wherein he held the elect in servitude or bondage, his goods were those elect, to spoil them mean to take them by conquest, and CLEARLY Christ says this couldn't happen "unless" He first bound the strong man." i.e., this deliverance of the captivity couldn't happen before Satan was bound. Only then could we (the spoil, his captives) be freed from our captivity to the bondage of sin. Selah.

Therefore Christ was the white horse who went forth conquering and spoiling His People through the testimony of the Saints (church) since the Cross.

 

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We teach that Armageddon and Gog and Magog
Happen at the same time,

They don't. Arm happens BEFORE the Mill, God and Magog happens AFTER the Mill.

 

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Satan is a spirit being that works through men. He was not a supernatural being that God created. We all had Satan's spirit within us since we were born, before some of us was born again when the Holy Spirit replaced him in our heart. Jesus said:

Matthew 12:28-29

• "But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.
• Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house."

Clearly, Christ has equated the casting out of devils with the salvation of the Kingdom of God. Christ spoiled (or seized by right of conquest) Satan's goods by first binding him. We, the Elect, are those goods--the spoil of His conquest. We were Satan's "possessions" or the captivity because we were his children of disobedience, which Christ seized by the right of conquest that we would be delivered out of his grip and translated into the Kingdom of Heaven. In the spiritual sense (as Christ was saying), the Kingdom of heaven had come for us because Satan was cast out (Matthew 12:28). We are loosed or set free from Satan's captivity, his bondage, his slavery, through the promised work of Christ--as it is written:

Hebrews 2:14-15

• "Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
• And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage."

We were in possession of spirit called Satan, not free, but in captivity as his slaves, and Christ came to set us free. To be possessed by the devil means that Satan would have come back to once again be our Master where he has us under his dominion, power (Colossians 1:13) and control. This possession is evidenced by our servitude to him. And that cannot be for someone who was truly saved.

Luke 4:6-8

• "And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.
• If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine.
• And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve."

We either serve God, or the Devil as our master, but not both. If we are possessed by the Spirit of God, then we will be the Temple of God worshiping God. If we are possessed by the spirit of Satan, the spirit of the antichrist, then we will be worshiping Satan which is YOUR spirit (before you were born again and filled with the Holy Spirit).



You don't get it. Satan, a spirit, that rules in men will be cast out of the kingdom of heaven, the congregation of Israel, so that the Salvation gospel can come to men. In other words, Satan will no longer deceive those within the congregation UNTIL the building of the church with all Elect being sealed, then Satan will be loosened to deceive again. It is not about a supernatural physically fell from a literal heaven. You are looking in the wrong place and with the wrong doctrine about Satan being created as an "archangel" first, before his fall.

I understand that Satan is a spirit that works in all the children of disobedience. But Satan is also an angel being one of the sons of God. And Yes God created ALL things, even the angels.

Again Revelation 12 is not talking about the casting out of Satan from individuals, but it is showing the timing of when Satan and the evil angels were cast out of heaven down to the earth.

Revelation 12:9
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

The reason you will not agree with the “timing” of when Satan was cast down to earth is because it throws a wrench in the “timing” of the Amil false doctrine.

All false doctrines have to dismiss certain parts of scripture in order to uphold a false belief or idea.

 

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This notion that the thousand year reign of Christ on earth has already started, and that Satan is bound right now is FALSE doctrine. BEWARE!

Just take a look around at the world and tell me, is sin reigning or is Righteousness reigning on earth right now?

There is your answer.

 

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Do I have this right?

Hamon-gog, the battle of Ezekiel 39 occurs at the 7th Trump, before the Millennium.

Armageddon also happens at the 7th trump (Vials are poured out). Revelation 16:17 — "It is done."

Gog and Magog takes place after the Millennium (Revelation 20:7-9).