Spiritual Israelite
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Ah, I figured out who you are now. You used to call yourself "Fullness of the Gentiles". You made this same argument several times back then. I wondered why you said at one point that you had told me something before when I didn't even remember ever talking to you before about that particular topic.Copy @Stewardofthemystery
It's the common fallacy of all Amillennialists to believe that being born (gennao) of the Spirit constitutes a "resurrection" of the human spirit of an individual - the spirit "that was dead".
There is a long list of verses in the New Testament that speak of "resurrection" using one of four Greek words meaning rising again from death. Not one of those verses is talking about the so-called "resurrection from the dead" of the human spirit. Each one of them is talking about the rising again from death of the human body.
When did the individual's spirit die so that it could rise again from death?
The individual's human spirit did not die prior to the time when the Spirit, who breathes where He desires, breathed (eternal) life into the individual when he or she was born of the Spirit. Life does not come before birth in the case of created humans.
"The first man is from the earth, made of dust; the second man is from heaven. The first man, Adam, became a living person; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
Now Christ has been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead also came through a man. For just as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive." -- 1 Corinthians 15:47, 45; 20-22.
Romans 8:10-11:
"If Christ's Spirit is in you,
(1) your body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit (of Christ) is your life [zoe] because of (Christ's) righteousness.
(2) Moreover, if the Spirit of the one who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, the one who raised Christ from the dead will also quicken [zōopoiéō] your mortal bodies through his Spirit who lives in you.".
zōopoiéō: God’s Spirit quickening, i.e making alive, giving or imparting (eternal) life.
Paul does not contradict himself, but says exactly the same thing again in his letter to the Ephesians:
"God, who is rich in mercy, for His great love with which He loved us, even us being dead (the body being dead) in sins,
(1) He has syzōopoiéō (quickened together with) Christ, (by grace ye are saved);
(2) and has raised us up together (synegeírō)
and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus" (Ephesians 2:4-6).
anástasis, égersis; anístēmi; egeírō
A standing up again, i.e. (literally) a resurrection from death.
Without exception, in each and every verse or passage in the New Testament where the above words are used, they are talking about, and referring to, the resurrection of the body (the body that died, which is the seed of the spiritual, but tangible, body that we have the assurance of, will be raised.
The reason why paul could say that we are seated together with Christ in the heavenly places is because the word synegeírō (raised with Christ) is referring to the resurrection of the body, not of the human spirit.
Our human spirit is quickened by the Spirit of Christ and through the quickening of the Spirit of Christ when we are BORN of the Spirit.
syzōopoiéō: Used in reference to being quickened, i.e made alive again together with Christ by the Spirit of Christ.
synegeírō: Refers to being raised up together with Christ (see below the table).
I can dig out all the verses Amillennialists use to falsely assert that being born of the Spirit is the same as "resurrection" of the dead human spirit.
It remains a false theology which Amillnenniasts must (and therefore will) adhere to in order to maintain the false premise - the foundation of sand - needed for their Amillnnialist sandcastle which they have erected on the sea's side of the high tide mark.
But this is enough for now because experience has taught me that regardless of what the very scriptures that you think talk about a "resurrection" of the human spirit ACTUALLY say, you will merely keep giving them the false Amillennialist interpretations needed to keep the false theology afloat.
If you recall, I and some other Amils, have a bit different understanding of the first resurrection as we believe it refers specifically to Christ's bodily resurrection. Scripture teaches that His resurrection was the first bodily resurrection unto bodily immortality.
1 Corinthians 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
Acts 26:23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.
And, of course, we all spiritually have part in His resurrection.
Colossians 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;