The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

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brightfame52

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It makes men alive to God ! 2

Now what people have failed to understand is that all what Christ came here to do by His Birth, Life and Death, and Resurrection, this was not for Himself as an Individual private person, no it was He as a Covenant Head and Sponsor , in other words it was an engagement in fulfilling for others their required obligations to God in Keeping His Law as well as reparation for the violations of His Law they have already incurred, to pay their due to God's Justice ! This was not for all mankind, but for a chosen people given Him by Father in Eternity Past Jn 17:2

2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

Now knowing this Paul writes to the Romans, to all that be at Rome Called Rom 1:7, and for all whom Christ died, because of their representative Union with Him in the Eternal Purpose of God and Election, that what they were by nature [Eph 2:2-3] has been Crucified with Christ, at the same time together with Him, for the purpose that the body of sin might be destroyed, in other words, that was their death, in the death of deaths, our destruction because of our sins.

God's Law and Justice has been completely Satisfied for them, He made an end of our sins Daniel 9:24

24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Its to the End that they might now be made alive to God, never to serve sin again. Also verse "7 For he that is dead is freed from sin."

Rom 6:7

7 For he that is dead is freed from sin. This word freed in the original means Justified also it means:


I.to render righteous or such he ought to be


II.to show, exhibit, evince, one to be righteous, such as he is and wishes himself to be considered


III.to declare, pronounce, one to be just, righteous, or such as he ought to be

BTW He that is dead in the verse simply means he that Christ died for, for all died with Him when He died as their representative 2 Cor 5:14

14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:

And by that, they were Justified Rom 6:7 This proves that those Christ died for are Justified by His Death alone, without their believing act, that shall come later !

Their Justification by His Death alone is a Legal reality.

And it is because of the complete destruction of our body of sin, all the sins we would ever commit against God in our bodies, we are now made alive to serve God, and not to serve sin again Rom 6:6

6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

Now understand, we do serve sin when we seek Justification by our works, our doings, That's what Jesus meant to the very religious Pharisees here Jn 8:34

Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

So Rom 6 is all an legal reality that Paul is teaching because of our death with Christ ! Who and what we are in Adam as pertaining to our constant sinning in the flesh, even now, that has been destroyed, there is no more destruction from the Lord due to it ! 19
 

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Salvation is available for EVERY sinner who REPENTS of their sins and BELIEVES in the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ!

The Death that Jesus Christ suffered on the cross, is for the ENTIRE HUMAN RACE, even for Judas who betrayed Him!

So called "Reformed" theology has TWISTED these Great Bible Truths, into FANCIFUL human IDEAS, that DISTORT the True Gospel Message!
 

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Salvation is available for EVERY sinner who REPENTS of their sins and BELIEVES in the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ!

The Death that Jesus Christ suffered on the cross, is for the ENTIRE HUMAN RACE, even for Judas who betrayed Him!

So called "Reformed" theology has TWISTED these Great Bible Truths, into FANCIFUL human IDEAS, that DISTORT the True Gospel Message!
This is works salvation and a false gospel, dishonoring to Christ !
 

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No its the truth, its works salvation doctrine, which is rubbish

WHAT does Jesus say in Mark 1:15?

"and saying, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand. REPENT, and BELIEVE in the Gospel.”

And to make it 100% clear what He means by REPENT, He says in Luke 24:47

"and that repentance for forgiveness of sins would be proclaimed in His Name to all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem"

Peter clearly understood exactly what Jesus means, when in his first sermon, after those listening to his Gospel Message, we read in Acts 2:37;

" When they heard this, they came under deep conviction and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles: “Brothers, what must we DO?”

Notice what they say here, "what must we DO?"

Peter does not respond with the FALSE "Reformed" teaching, of "faith only"; but is very clear

"REPENT,” Peter said to them, “and be baptized, each of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit" (verse 38)

THIS is the ONLY Gospel Message that can save ALL sinners. Anything else is FALSE!

ALL of your reasoning and arguments are AGAINST the Infallible, Inspired Holy Bible!

End of!
 

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WHAT does Jesus say in Mark 1:15?

"and saying, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand. REPENT, and BELIEVE in the Gospel.”

And to make it 100% clear what He means by REPENT, He says in Luke 24:47

"and that repentance for forgiveness of sins would be proclaimed in His Name to all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem"

Peter clearly understood exactly what Jesus means, when in his first sermon, after those listening to his Gospel Message, we read in Acts 2:37;

" When they heard this, they came under deep conviction and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles: “Brothers, what must we DO?”

Notice what they say here, "what must we DO?"

Peter does not respond with the FALSE "Reformed" teaching, of "faith only"; but is very clear

"REPENT,” Peter said to them, “and be baptized, each of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit" (verse 38)

THIS is the ONLY Gospel Message that can save ALL sinners. Anything else is FALSE!

ALL of your reasoning and arguments are AGAINST the Infallible, Inspired Holy Bible!

End of!
You still condition salvation on man, thats works salvation and its cursed friend
 

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You still condition salvation on man, thats works salvation and its cursed friend

God Himself CONDITIONS His salvation to all sinners, which is REPENTANCE from sins and FAITH in Jesus Christ.

"Works" salvation is when we do "good deeds" and claim these as "merits" as do the RCC.

Neither REPENTANCE or FAITH are "works" in this sense, but are nonetheless what we are told by Almighty God to DO!

You "reformed" cannot grasp these Great Bible Truths! It is a blindness, as do the RCC have on the very same issue!
 

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God Himself CONDITIONS His salvation to all sinners, which is REPENTANCE from sins and FAITH in Jesus Christ.

"Works" salvation is when we do "good deeds" and claim these as "merits" as do the RCC.

Neither REPENTANCE or FAITH are "works" in this sense, but are nonetheless what we are told by Almighty God to DO!

You "reformed" cannot grasp these Great Bible Truths! It is a blindness, as do the RCC have on the very same issue!
You still condition salvation on man, thats works salvation and its cursed friend
 

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You just can't grasp it!
Isaiah 26, Tells us God performs our works in us. And only because of the Lord do we make mention of His name.

12 Lord, You will establish peace for us,
For You have also done all our works [g]in us.

13 O Lord our God, masters besides You
Have had dominion over us;
But by You only we make mention of Your name.

14 They are dead, they will not live;
They are deceased, they will not rise.
Therefore You have punished and destroyed them,
And made all their memory to perish.
 

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Isaiah 26, Tells us God performs our works in us. And only because of the Lord do we make mention of His name.

12 Lord, You will establish peace for us,
For You have also done all our works [g]in us.

13 O Lord our God, masters besides You
Have had dominion over us;
But by You only we make mention of Your name.

14 They are dead, they will not live;
They are deceased, they will not rise.
Therefore You have punished and destroyed them,
And made all their memory to perish.

This means that God does the believeing and repenting for sinners!
 

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A New Covenant​

7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. 8 Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord.

10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 11 None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them. 12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins [b]and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”

13 In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

The New Covenant functions differently, it is not based on the work of man or his obedience to God, it goes much much deeper, man is fundamentally changed into a new creation, only after that can they believe and be saved. Nothing in the above requires a man to change himself, God makes the change for the man. Only then is God their God and they His people.
 

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It means God changes men's hearts.

if by this you mean, that God "enables" the hearts of the "elect", in order that they believe in Him, then this is totally unbiblical, as it makes these no more than programmed machines!

Prior to a sinner believing in Jesus Christ, they are CONVICTED by the Holy Spirit, as Jesus says in John 16:8-10, and what happened when those who heard Peter preach in Acts chapter 2, where it say, "they were pierced to the hear" (v.37), which is exactly what Jesus means in John 16.

The sinner must respond to the inward call of the Holy Spirit, which they are free to reject, as we read in Acts 7, where Stephen says in verse 51, "You stiff-necked people, uncircumcised in heart and ears, you always resist (ἀντιπίπτω, lit, oppose) the Holy Spirit. As your fathers did, so do you"

Reformed theology has removed FREE WILL from sinners, which is also against the Bible. Jesus tells the Jews who wanted to murder Him, "You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me, yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life" (John 5:39-40). Note what Jesus here says to them, they REFUSED to go to Jesus for eternal life! They made the CHOICE to REJECT Jesus Christ as their Messiah, and Saviour. This is plain in the entire Bible.
 

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A New Covenant​

7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. 8 Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord.

10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 11 None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them. 12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins [b]and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”

13 In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

The New Covenant functions differently, it is not based on the work of man or his obedience to God, it goes much much deeper, man is fundamentally changed into a new creation, only after that can they believe and be saved. Nothing in the above requires a man to change himself, God makes the change for the man. Only then is God their God and they His people.

Indeed, this is AFTER a sinner is born-again, and NOT before!
 
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Life out of Death !

1 Cor 15:36

36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:

Many today in false religion, and in their opposition to the True Religion from above, and in their attack against the saving death of Christ, they do say, that its not the death of Christ that saves anyone, but that its His Life, and then ignorantly point to Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

To give support to their deceit; however nowhere in this text does it state " The death of Christ saves no one " that is fabricated but yes it does state clearly, that "we shall be saved by His Life " Yet it never states or imply that the death of Christ does not save anyone, but it does say some where reconciled to God, while being enemies, by the Death of Christ, and such a statement as "that the death of Christ does not save anyone" is a most horrible blasphemy, and can only proceed from a corrupt and depraved heart !

Now the blessed fact of the matter is, that Christ's death, blood does save them He died for Rev 5:9 To be redeemed unto God by His Blood is a testimony to that, and Christ's Resurrection from the dead is another evidence to that fact. His Resurrection from the dead is living proof that the giving of His Life for a ransom Matt 20:28, destroys death and gives life , which resurrection is a proof of. Its as of the same result as put forth here in our text 1 Cor 15:36; because without His Death, there is no quickening from the dead, no reproduction. If Christ's Death did not save us out of death, in that it abolished death, then there would not have been any resurrection, for His Death destroyed the power of the devil, not His Resurrection, that was evidence or testification of what His Death done or accomplished.

There would have not been any quickening from the dead as Per Eph 2:5, hence we were saved by His Grace, the Grace of Him Tasting Death !20
 

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To bear fruit unto God , as Repentance/Faith

One of the purposes of Christ's Death, which He does accomplish, it is so that those He died for will bear fruit unto God . Rom 7:1-4

Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?

2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.

3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.

4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that[in order that] ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

The Death of Christ, for all whom He died, has caused them to be dead or separated/loosed from the Law, they have no legal obligation to law for life, cannot be condemned by the law, are redeemed from its curse Gal 3:13, it has no dominion/power over them, but its for a purpose, not merely to be in limbo or unproductive, but in order that they can be married or joined to Christ, by New Birth and bring fruit unto God !

Now one of those fruits unto God is Repentance, Paul preached it here Acts 20:21

21 Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

That Repentance is a Fruit unto God is seen here in the words of the Baptist Matt 3:7-8

7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?

8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet or befitting,corresponding for repentance:

John knew that not all had been made meet for repentance, and He knew some have Matt 3:1-2

In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea,

2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

He knew that God had specially prepared or made meet to bring forth repentance.

And this was one of the designs and accomplishments of the Death of Christ, for if it did not effect this, it would have failed the Divine Purpose. That's why it says after He being Exalted, it was for this Acts 5:31

31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

And Acts 11:18

18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

That's how Christ's Death, Him being lifted up, bears fruit Jn 12:24

24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

Repentance unto God Acts 20:21 is part of that Fruit that Christ's dying as a Corn of Wheat brings forth !

That's why He commanded His Messengers to Preach Repentance in His Name Lk 24:47

47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

It was to bring into manifestation His Fruit bearing Death. Everytime a sinner repents, its Joy in Heaven Lk 15:7,10

7 I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.

Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth.

That's Christ's Joy, witnessing the fruit of His Death Heb 12:1-2

2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

Remember the prophecy Isa 53:11

11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

That word satisfied means fulfilled ,delighted , joyous !

Is this the Christ you know and Serve ? The Christ I serve and the one Scripture witnesses to, He bears fruit unto God because of His Death. His Death severed those He died for from the Law, that they should be joined to Him, then bring fruit unto God. Notice also the fruit is after being joined or married to Him by the New birth by the Spirit , For Faith and repentance are Christ's bearing fruit unto God and we know Faith is a Fruit of the Spirit Gal 5:22! 20
 
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