The 144,000 before God at the end.

[No Pre-TB]

Again, you guys are arriving at your doctrine via omission.
They are gathered last.
No way around it.

It’s not my doctrine as I created it, It was Paul’s.

 

[amigo de christo]

@amigo de christo @marks @Brakelite @L3astAm0ngManyB13ss3d @No Pre-TB @covenantee @St. SteVen
@Fullness of the Gentiles @Nancy

i have been falsely accused of being anti-semtic a couple of times here on CBF and this is hurtful and completely false

My wife is Jewish TWICE Over = She is 100% Jewish from both of her Jewish parents and She is SAVED by the Blood of Messiah JESUS
Since the woman determines the SEED, my children were born Jewish according to the seed of their Jewish Mother
My rabbi friends, who i see weekly also agree that my home and heart is warmly open to the Jewish People.
First picture is with my son putting on tefillin.
Second picture is with Samuel and myself as we open up the Bible and discuss JESUS
Third picture is with Asher and Samuel who weekly visit my home.
If you love the Jewish people, please keep Asher and Samuel in prayer and myself as well that God may open the Scriptures to them to SEE their MESSIAH = YESHUA Ha-MOSHIACH

If we love the jews , we dont lie to them . THEY TOO MUST BELIEVE ON JESUS CHRIST or they too will be damned .
You are not anti semetic my friend . THEY accuse us of much just cause we dont follow THEIR RELIGIOUS TRADITIONS .
I refuse too follow men . I say again and again i say before all , I REFUSE TO FOLLOW MEN .
Teach the bible and not acryonms or the precepts of men . Teach the bible .
Yep .

 

[amigo de christo]

@amigo de christo @marks @Brakelite @L3astAm0ngManyB13ss3d @No Pre-TB @covenantee @St. SteVen
@Fullness of the Gentiles @Nancy

i have been falsely accused of being anti-semtic a couple of times here on CBF and this is hurtful and completely false

My wife is Jewish TWICE Over = She is 100% Jewish from both of her Jewish parents and She is SAVED by the Blood of Messiah JESUS
Since the woman determines the SEED, my children were born Jewish according to the seed of their Jewish Mother
My rabbi friends, who i see weekly also agree that my home and heart is warmly open to the Jewish People.
First picture is with my son putting on tefillin.
Second picture is with Samuel and myself as we open up the Bible and discuss JESUS
Third picture is with Asher and Samuel who weekly visit my home.
If you love the Jewish people, please keep Asher and Samuel in prayer and myself as well that God may open the Scriptures to them to SEE their MESSIAH = YESHUA Ha-MOSHIACH

Never let men lie to us . TRUE JERUSALEM is above . THE HOLY CELIESTIAL CITY OF GOD and of the LAMB .
Access in , IS ONLY THROUGH JESUS CHRIST .
Now many under the precepts of men say , OH but the jews BELIEVE GOD .
DO they all really beleive GOD . I know abraham did . I know paul , peter , james , john , jude
did . THEY BELIEVED GOD . THEY BELIEVED JESUS .
IF JESUS SAID IT , GOD SAID IT . THEY BELIEVED , WE BELEIVE . Its that simple .
Any man that believeth not JESUS CHRIST , DOES NOT BELEIVE GOD . And that is A FACT .

 

[David in NJ]

If we love the jews , we dont lie to them . THEY TOO MUST BELIEVE ON JESUS CHRIST or they too will be damned .
You are not anti semetic my friend . THEY accuse us of much just cause we dont follow THEIR RELIGIOUS TRADITIONS .
I refuse too follow men . I say again and again i say before all , I REFUSE TO FOLLOW MEN .
Teach the bible and not acryonms or the precepts of men . Teach the bible .
Yep .

YES, and i tell these rabbis that YESHUA is their MESSIAH and that HE alone died for our sins that we might live unto God.

 

[David in NJ]

Never let men lie to us . TRUE JERUSALEM is above . THE HOLY CELIESTIAL CITY OF GOD and of the LAMB .
Access in , IS ONLY THROUGH JESUS CHRIST .
Now many under the precepts of men say , OH but the jews BELIEVE GOD .
DO they all really beleive GOD . I know abraham did . I know paul , peter , james , john , jude
did . THEY BELIEVED GOD . THEY BELIEVED JESUS .
IF JESUS SAID IT , GOD SAID IT . THEY BELIEVED , WE BELEIVE . Its that simple .
Any man that believeth not JESUS CHRIST , DOES NOT BELEIVE GOD . And that is A FACT .

My son in the picture is waiting for us to go to Vermont in August where he wants to be baptized.

Keep Daniel in your prayers that God will also baptize Dan in the Holy Spirit.

 

[amigo de christo]

YES, and i tell these rabbis that YESHUA is their MESSIAH and that HE alone died for our sins that we might live unto God.

Did you know that many jews do not even hear Torah , moses or the prophets .
its true . Sure they can quoate torah and etc
BUT TORAH ITSELF POINTS TO CHRIST JESUS . THE PROMISES POINT TO JESUS CHRIST , the PROPHETS POINT TOO JESUS CHRIST .
IF they hear not MOSES , they will not be persauded though ONE ROSE FROM THE DEAD .
THE LAW IS A SCHOOL MASTER . TO LEAD US TO THE ONE AND THE ONLY MESSIAH CHRIST JESUS .
And that be A FACT . But many are not his sheep . HIS SHEEP HEAR HIS VOICE and i tell us all , ANOTHER THEY WILL NOT FOLLOW .
WE STICKING TO THE BIBLE MY FRIEND . Too many have learned the precepts of men and this has only led
them farther and farther from the TRUTH .

 

[David in NJ]

Did you know that many jews do not even hear Torah , moses or the prophets .
its true . Sure they can quoate torah and etc
BUT TORAH ITSELF POINTS TO CHRIST JESUS . THE PROMISES POINT TO JESUS CHRIST , the PROPHETS POINT TOO JESUS CHRIST .
IF they hear not MOSES , they will not be persauded though ONE ROSE FROM THE DEAD .
THE LAW IS A SCHOOL MASTER . TO LEAD US TO THE ONE AND THE ONLY MESSIAH CHRIST JESUS .
And that be A FACT . But many are not his sheep . HIS SHEEP HEAR HIS VOICE and i tell us all , ANOTHER THEY WILL NOT FOLLOW .
WE STICKING TO THE BIBLE MY FRIEND . Too many have learned the precepts of men and this has only led
them farther and farther from the TRUTH .

These Jewish men say to me that we must listen to the "oral tradition".

i tell them that they must believe God at His Word

 

[amigo de christo]

My son in the picture is waiting for us to go to Vermont in August where he wants to be baptized.

Keep Daniel in your prayers that God will also baptize Dan in the Holy Spirit.

Beware of the abrham faith accords . ABRAHAM would have had NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS LIE .
Making the claim that the jews , the muslims and the christains worship the same GOD .
Making cliams that just because the mulsims claim they hold to moses and the law , Means they serve the same GOD we do .
ITS A LIE my friend .
UNBELIEVERS in the CHRIST OF GOD , BELIEVE NOT GOD . and that is A FACT .
IF a man does not recieve the TESTIMONY OF GOD which HE gave of HIS SON , THEY ARE CALLING GOD A LIAR .
And john , a jew , KNEW THAT AND WROTE THAT .
We got us a mess going on right now in the middle of christendom itself as well as the world .
A dark unifying spirit is fast gathering the tribes of all nations , religoins , secular and all UNDER A LIE FOR UNITY .
This lamb WONT BE HEEDING IT OR THEM .

 

[amigo de christo]

These Jewish men say to me that we must listen to the "oral tradition".

i tell them that they must believe God at His Word

Yeah , and where exactly does this oral tradition of theirs come from . TORAH , the prophets
OR from men . EXACTLY .
ROME DID the same thing too . OH they too have thier own books and doctrines which they too try and pass off
as the DOCTRINES OF GOD .
IN other words , they simply worship GOD in vain , and through the precepts of men . But believe me , THAT MAKES IT VAIN .
and the lambs , WELL , they heed no such men or their doctrines or traditions .

 

[amigo de christo]

These Jewish men say to me that we must listen to the "oral tradition".

i tell them that they must believe God at His Word

Many claim to know the words of GOD . they can even quoate some torah and prophets .
But do you know how i KNOW THEY DONT know the Words of GOD in SPIRIT and in TRUTH .
CAUSE THEY DENY THE WORD OF GOD , CHRIST JESUS and the testimony of the FATHER and the teachings of CHRIST .
THEY DONT KNOW THE WORD at all. BUT LAMBS DO .

 

[amigo de christo]

POINT to CHRIST JESUS till the last breath david . Offer this world NO FALSE HOPE in its dead end religoins .
WE POINT TO JESUS CHRIST .

 

[amigo de christo]

Put those hands UP , Its LORD praising time again .

 

[David in NJ]

POINT to CHRIST JESUS till the last breath david . Offer this world NO FALSE HOPE in its dead end religoins .
WE POINT TO JESUS CHRIST .

Speaking of JESUS, did you see Post #216 ?

 

[Keraz]

The evidence in Scripture that Rev ch7 144K is symbolic of the Body of Christ is overwhelming.

The 144K are selected out of the great multitude of Christians. Jesus is revealed to them, 1 Thess 1:10, as described in Revelation 14:1-7
The angel flying over the earth shouting is just an allegory for them.

Calling them 'Jews', shows a serious lack of understanding and a bias toward the false teaching of a 'rapture to heaven' of the Church.

 

[amigo de christo]

Speaking of JESUS, did you see Post #216 ?

Have you ever wondered why manessah was listed and not Dan .

 

[David in NJ]

Have you ever wondered why manessah was listed and not Dan .

The names of the twelve tribes and their order in Rev ch7 speaks loud and clear of the Body of Christ.

Dan was intentionally left out of Revelation ch7

This is why - "Dan shall judge his people, as one of the tribes of Israel" (Genesis 49:16)."

It is only Christ who judges His People so Dan was left out because Rev ch 7 is not speaking of Jews.

This is why Rev 7:1-8 shows us the Body of Christ symbolically and then 7:9-10 shows us the literal Body of Christ

QUESTION for you: Why did the LORD reveal His Body as the 12 Tribes?

 

[The Light]

The names of the twelve tribes and their order in Rev ch7 speaks loud and clear of the Body of Christ.

Dan was intentionally left out of Revelation ch7

This is why - "Dan shall judge his people, as one of the tribes of Israel" (Genesis 49:16)."

It is only Christ who judges His People so Dan was left out because Rev ch 7 is not speaking of Jews.

This is why Rev 7:1-8 shows us the Body of Christ symbolically and then 7:9-10 shows us the literal Body of Christ

QUESTION for you: Why did the LORD reveal His Body as the 12 Tribes?

Let's see...........make something up to fit our doctrine .............or go with the scripture. I think I'll stick with what is written........as usual.

 

[David in NJ]

Let's see...........make something up to fit our doctrine .............or go with the scripture. I think I'll stick with what is written........as usual.

Why is Judah the first tribe listed in Revelation ch7?

 

[Brakelite]

The announcement of the number of those who are sealed marks the completion of the sealing. This event takes place at the same time as the mark of the beast is accepted by apostates. The 144,000 cannot be a literal number of the saved, nor a literal number of Jewish evangelists... The church is God's vehicle for missionary work, and national Israel is one part of the mission field.
John hears that their number is 144,000 from the 12 tribes of Israel. The reference here is not to a literal number but to what it signifies. The number 144,000 consists of 12 times 12 times 1,000. Twelve is a symbol of God’s people: the tribes of Israel and the church built upon the foundation of the Twelve Apostles (Eph. 2:20). Thus, the number 144,000 stands for the totality of God’s end-time people: “All Israel” (Jews and Gentiles) who are ready for Christ’s return and who will be translated without seeing death (Rom. 11:26, 1 Cor. 15:51–53).

The 12 tribes listed in Revelation 7 are, obviously, not literal, because the 12 tribes of Israel, encompassing both the Northern and Southern Kingdoms, are not in existence today. The 10 tribes of the Northern Kingdom were taken into captivity during the Assyrian conquest (2 Kings 17:6–23), where they became integrated with other nations. Thus, the 12 tribes do not constitute Judaism today.

Also, the list of the 12 tribes in Revelation 7 is like no other found in Scripture (compare Num. 1:5–15, Ezek. 48:1–29). Judah is listed as the first tribe (Rev. 7:5) instead of Reuben (compare with Num. 1:15). Also, the tribes of Dan and Ephraim, included in the lists of Numbers 1 and Ezekiel 48, are omitted from the list in Revelation 7, while Levi and Joseph are included instead (Rev. 7:7, 8). The obvious reason for the exclusion of Ephraim, and apparently Dan, from the list in Revelation 7 is that in the Old Testament these two tribes are apostate and idolatrous (1 Kings 12:29, 30; Hos. 4:17).

The list of the tribes in Revelation 7 is not historical but spiritual. The absence of Dan and Ephraim from the list suggests that the unfaithfulness of these two tribes will have no place among God’s sealed people. Also, the church in the New Testament is referred to as the 12 tribes of Israel (James 1:1). The 12 tribes in Revelation 7 stand for the entire people of God who endure to the end, both Jews and Gentiles.
Revelation 14:4, 5 is a description of the 144,000 that aligns with God’s last day people, who “keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus” (Rev. 14:12). Although they experienced the fullness of Satan’s wrath in the final crisis, they have remained firm because of their close relationship with Jesus.
Sexual immorality is a symbol of unfaithfulness to God. Revelation 17:5 talks about the end-time harlot Babylon and her daughters, with whom all the people of the world will commit fornication (see also Rev. 18:3). However, the 144,000 will remain loyal to Christ and resist the defiling relationships with Babylon and the apostate churches. The 144,000 “follow the Lamb wherever He goes” (Rev. 14:4, NKJV).

The 144,000 are further described as the ones who have been “redeemed from among men” as “firstfruits to God and to the Lamb” (Rev. 14:4, NKJV). In ancient Israel, the firstfruits were the best fruits of the harvest offered to God (Num. 18:12). The word “firstfruits” can refer to saved people as distinct from those in the world (James 1:18), but in Revelation the 144,000 are clearly a special group because they will be translated without seeing death (1 Cor. 15:50–52). Thus, they are the firstfruits of the larger harvest of the saved through all the ages (see Rev. 14:14–16).

 

[amigo de christo]

The names of the twelve tribes and their order in Rev ch7 speaks loud and clear of the Body of Christ.

Dan was intentionally left out of Revelation ch7

This is why - "Dan shall judge his people, as one of the tribes of Israel" (Genesis 49:16)."

It is only Christ who judges His People so Dan was left out because Rev ch 7 is not speaking of Jews.

This is why Rev 7:1-8 shows us the Body of Christ symbolically and then 7:9-10 shows us the literal Body of Christ

QUESTION for you: Why did the LORD reveal His Body as the 12 Tribes?

The twelve sons came from jacob who was later named israel .
And yet paul , when writing to the galations uses some real peculiar langauge . He says and the ISRAEL OF GOD .
True ISRAEL , IS OF JESUS CHRIST . and that be a fact . Its not what most want to hear .
But the ISRAEL OF GOD , are those whose faith IS IN JESUS CHRIST .