The 144,000 before God at the end.

[amigo de christo]

Why is Judah the first tribe listed in Revelation ch7?

All i know is according to that lineage the GLORIOUS LORD JESUS CAME .
KING of kings and LORD of lords . From Judah , from the lineage of King david .
A ruler was to be born who would rule the KINGDOM without END . THAT KING IS JESUS
and now its TIME TO RAISE THOSE HANDS AGAIN and praise the glorious LORD .

 

[marks]

i have been falsely accused of being anti-semtic a couple of times here on CBF and this is hurtful and completely false

It's never crossed my mind concerning you, no worries!!

Much love!

 

[David in NJ]

It's never crossed my mind concerning you, no worries!!

Much love!

Thank You Brother

 

[David in NJ]

All i know is according to that lineage the GLORIOUS LORD JESUS CAME .
KING of kings and LORD of lords . From Judah , from the lineage of King david .
A ruler was to be born who would rule the KINGDOM without END . THAT KING IS JESUS
and now its TIME TO RAISE THOSE HANDS AGAIN and praise the glorious LORD .

This is why Judah is mentioned first.

Where did Eve come from?

 

[amigo de christo]

This is why Judah is mentioned first.

Where did Eve come from?

Adam slept and GOD brought forth the woman from the man .
SOUND FAMILIAR . Adam , his own wife , his BRIDE , came forth from his own body .
NOW THINK JESUS CHRIST and THE BRIDE , the church .
And lift those hands and praise the LORD . She shall be called woman for she came out of the man .

 

[David in NJ]

This is why Judah is mentioned first.

Adam slept and GOD brought forth the woman from the man .
SOUND FAMILIAR . Adam , his own wife , his BRIDE , came forth from his own body .
NOW THINK JESUS CHRIST and THE BRIDE , the church .
And lift those hands and praise the LORD . She shall be called woman for she came out of the man .

HalleluYAH

From Genesis to Revelation

 

[The Light]

Why is Judah the first tribe listed in Revelation ch7?

Many men of this earth would likely incorrectly conclude that it has to do with the Lion of the tribe of Judah, but the true answer is given by Paul in writings of 1st Corinthians.

 

[The Light]

The announcement of the number of those who are sealed marks the completion of the sealing. This event takes place at the same time as the mark of the beast is accepted by apostates. The 144,000 cannot be a literal number of the saved, nor a literal number of Jewish evangelists... The church is God's vehicle for missionary work, and national Israel is one part of the mission field.
John hears that their number is 144,000 from the 12 tribes of Israel. The reference here is not to a literal number but to what it signifies. The number 144,000 consists of 12 times 12 times 1,000. Twelve is a symbol of God’s people: the tribes of Israel and the church built upon the foundation of the Twelve Apostles (Eph. 2:20). Thus, the number 144,000 stands for the totality of God’s end-time people: “All Israel” (Jews and Gentiles) who are ready for Christ’s return and who will be translated without seeing death (Rom. 11:26, 1 Cor. 15:51–53).

It never occurs to many of you that these 144,000 are exactly what God says they are.

There is no chance to understand scripture when you don't accept what it says.

The 144,000 are first fruits of the second harvest.

 

[David in NJ]

Many men of this earth would likely incorrectly conclude that it has to do with the Lion of the tribe of Judah, but the true answer is given by Paul in writings of 1st Corinthians.

1 Corinthians chapter???

 

[The Light]

1 Corinthians chapter???

2

 

[David in NJ]

2

thank you

 

[David in NJ]

Many men of this earth would likely incorrectly conclude that it has to do with the Lion of the tribe of Judah, but the true answer is given by Paul in writings of 1st Corinthians.

1 Corinthians chapter 2 confirms there is a mystery in Revelation chapter 7
Only those who have their spiritual senses trained by the Holy Spirit can SEE = Five Wise Virgins

But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory,

But as it is written:

“Eye has not seen, nor ear heard,
Nor have entered into the heart of man
The things which God has prepared for those who love Him.”

But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God. For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God.
Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God.

 

[Brakelite]

The twelve sons came from jacob who was later named israel .
And yet paul , when writing to the galations uses some real peculiar langauge . He says and the ISRAEL OF GOD .
True ISRAEL , IS OF JESUS CHRIST . and that be a fact . Its not what most want to hear .
But the ISRAEL OF GOD , are those whose faith IS IN JESUS CHRIST .

I would take that even further. Jacob was named Israel because he had overcome. Jesus is the true Israel for the same reason. Those who joined the nation or were born into the nation of Israel were called Israelites, those who join Jesus are spiritual Israelites.
It wasn’t until Jesus came on the scene in person that the title “Israel” in it’s truest spiritual sense and power could be rightly bestowed. And Mathew in particular showed this time and time again how Jesus was the fulfillment of the OT prophecies which may have originally applied to the nation, but now, according to Mathew’s inspired writings, applied in fact to Jesus. Examples are Hosea 11:1 ; Isaiah 41:8, 42:1-3.
Paul followed the same idea and reasoning by paralleling Col 1:15 with Ex 4:22, Gal 3:16 with Isaiah 41:8 and elsewhere.

Jesus Himself proclaimed Himself as the true vine, in fulfilment of Ps 80:8 which applied to the nation.
So now the mantle and authority once bestowed upon the nation has been given to Jesus. Jesus is the essence of true Israel. He only has the right to bear the name for He only has prevailed with sin and overcome. Jesus walked over the same ground that Israel walked, but came through victorious. In His temptations in the wilderness, it was appetite that came under particular scrutiny.

What Paul does in Romans and other writers in the NT however is extend that idea and show how the name Israel also now applies to Jesus’ descendants, just as it did to Jacob’s descendants. Peter also showed this when he compared the church to Exodus 19:6.(1 Peter 2:9).
So as Paul says, immediately after saying that Jesus is the ‘seed’ of Abraham, Gentile converts in Galatia were now also Abraham’s seed because they are Christ’s. They are also heirs according to the promise.
This is not ‘replacement ‘ theology. It is merely a revelation of who true Israel always was and who Israel is now. Spiritual Israel is the logical progression of his purposes. It is those people, of whatever nation kindred tongue and people, who by faith in the mercy grace and power of God overcome sin and receive Christ’s righteousness and forgiveness as a gift and are willing to share that gift with the lost. True Israel was always exclusively those who “as princes had power with God and men and prevailed”.

Thus the unfulfilled covenant that Jeremiah speaks of and repeated in hebrews, “I will place My laws in their hearts and in their minds I will write them” applies to the church, not a resurgent nation. All Israel will be saved, but the descendants of Jesus, not flesh and blood descendants of Jacob.

 

[David in NJ]

I would take that even further. Jacob was named Israel because he had overcome. Jesus is the true Israel for the same reason. Those who joined the main of Israel were called Israelites, those who join Jesus are spiritual Israelites.
It wasn’t until Jesus came on the scene in person that the title “Israel” in it’s truest spiritual sense and power could be rightly bestowed. And Mathew in particular showed this time and time again how Jesus was the fulfillment of the OT prophecies which may have originally applied to the nation, but now, according to Mathew’s inspired writings, applied in fact to Jesus. Examples are Hosea 11:1 ; Isaiah 41:8,42:1-3 .
Paul followed the same idea and reasoning by paralleling Col 1:15 with Ex 4:22, Gal 3:16 with Isaiah 41:8 and elsewhere.

Jesus Himself proclaimed Himself as the true vine, in fulfilment of Ps 80:8 which applied to the nation.
So now the mantle and authority once bestowed upon the nation has been given to Jesus. Jesus is the essence of true Israel. He only has the right to bear the name for He only has prevailed with sin and overcome. Jesus walked over the same ground that Israel walked, but came through victorious. In His temptations in the wilderness, it was appetite that came under particular scrutiny.

What Paul does in Romans and other writers in the NT however is extend that idea and show how the name Israel also now applies to Jesus’ descendants, just as it did to Jacob’s descendants. Peter also showed this when he compared the church to Exodus 19:6.(1 Peter 2:9).
So as Paul says, immediately after saying that Jesus is the ‘seed’ of Abraham, Gentile converts in Galatia were now also Abraham’s seed because they are Christ’s. They are also heirs according to the promise.
This is not ‘replacement ‘ theology. It is merely a revelation of who true Israel always was and who Israel is now. Spiritual Israel is the logical progression of his purposes. It is those people, of whatever nation kindred tongue and people, who by faith in the mercy grace and power of God overcome sin and receive Christ’s righteousness and forgiveness as a gift and are willing to share that gift with the lost. True Israel was always exclusively those who “as princes had power with God and men and prevailed”.

Thus the unfulfilled covenant that Jeremiah speaks of and repeated in hebrews, “I will place My laws in their hearts and in their minds I will write them” applies to the church, not a resurgent nation. All Israel will be saved, but the descendants of Jesus, not flesh and blood descendants of Jacob.

Genesis to Revelation = the ISRAEL of God = "not by might nor by power but by My Spirit says the LORD"

HalelluYAH

 

[David in NJ]

I would take that even further. Jacob was named Israel because he had overcome. Jesus is the true Israel for the same reason. Those who joined the main of Israel were called Israelites, those who join Jesus are spiritual Israelites.
It wasn’t until Jesus came on the scene in person that the title “Israel” in it’s truest spiritual sense and power could be rightly bestowed. And Mathew in particular showed this time and time again how Jesus was the fulfillment of the OT prophecies which may have originally applied to the nation, but now, according to Mathew’s inspired writings, applied in fact to Jesus. Examples are Hosea 11:1 ; Isaiah 41:8,42:1-3 .
Paul followed the same idea and reasoning by paralleling Col 1:15 with Ex 4:22, Gal 3:16 with Isaiah 41:8 and elsewhere.

Jesus Himself proclaimed Himself as the true vine, in fulfilment of Ps 80:8 which applied to the nation.
So now the mantle and authority once bestowed upon the nation has been given to Jesus. Jesus is the essence of true Israel. He only has the right to bear the name for He only has prevailed with sin and overcome. Jesus walked over the same ground that Israel walked, but came through victorious. In His temptations in the wilderness, it was appetite that came under particular scrutiny.

What Paul does in Romans and other writers in the NT however is extend that idea and show how the name Israel also now applies to Jesus’ descendants, just as it did to Jacob’s descendants. Peter also showed this when he compared the church to Exodus 19:6.(1 Peter 2:9).
So as Paul says, immediately after saying that Jesus is the ‘seed’ of Abraham, Gentile converts in Galatia were now also Abraham’s seed because they are Christ’s. They are also heirs according to the promise.
This is not ‘replacement ‘ theology. It is merely a revelation of who true Israel always was and who Israel is now. Spiritual Israel is the logical progression of his purposes. It is those people, of whatever nation kindred tongue and people, who by faith in the mercy grace and power of God overcome sin and receive Christ’s righteousness and forgiveness as a gift and are willing to share that gift with the lost. True Israel was always exclusively those who “as princes had power with God and men and prevailed”.

Thus the unfulfilled covenant that Jeremiah speaks of and repeated in hebrews, “I will place My laws in their hearts and in their minds I will write them” applies to the church, not a resurgent nation. All Israel will be saved, but the descendants of Jesus, not flesh and blood descendants of Jacob.

This is why the Tribe of Judah is 1st in Rev ch7

 

[David in NJ]

I would take that even further. Jacob was named Israel because he had overcome. Jesus is the true Israel for the same reason. Those who joined the nation or were born into the nation of Israel were called Israelites, those who join Jesus are spiritual Israelites.
It wasn’t until Jesus came on the scene in person that the title “Israel” in it’s truest spiritual sense and power could be rightly bestowed. And Mathew in particular showed this time and time again how Jesus was the fulfillment of the OT prophecies which may have originally applied to the nation, but now, according to Mathew’s inspired writings, applied in fact to Jesus. Examples are Hosea 11:1 ; Isaiah 41:8, 42:1-3.
Paul followed the same idea and reasoning by paralleling Col 1:15 with Ex 4:22, Gal 3:16 with Isaiah 41:8 and elsewhere.

Jesus Himself proclaimed Himself as the true vine, in fulfilment of Ps 80:8 which applied to the nation.
So now the mantle and authority once bestowed upon the nation has been given to Jesus. Jesus is the essence of true Israel. He only has the right to bear the name for He only has prevailed with sin and overcome. Jesus walked over the same ground that Israel walked, but came through victorious. In His temptations in the wilderness, it was appetite that came under particular scrutiny.

What Paul does in Romans and other writers in the NT however is extend that idea and show how the name Israel also now applies to Jesus’ descendants, just as it did to Jacob’s descendants. Peter also showed this when he compared the church to Exodus 19:6.(1 Peter 2:9).
So as Paul says, immediately after saying that Jesus is the ‘seed’ of Abraham, Gentile converts in Galatia were now also Abraham’s seed because they are Christ’s. They are also heirs according to the promise.
This is not ‘replacement ‘ theology. It is merely a revelation of who true Israel always was and who Israel is now. Spiritual Israel is the logical progression of his purposes. It is those people, of whatever nation kindred tongue and people, who by faith in the mercy grace and power of God overcome sin and receive Christ’s righteousness and forgiveness as a gift and are willing to share that gift with the lost. True Israel was always exclusively those who “as princes had power with God and men and prevailed”.

Thus the unfulfilled covenant that Jeremiah speaks of and repeated in hebrews, “I will place My laws in their hearts and in their minds I will write them” applies to the church, not a resurgent nation. All Israel will be saved, but the descendants of Jesus, not flesh and blood descendants of Jacob.

Brakelite says: "This is not ‘replacement ‘ theology. It is merely a revelation of who true Israel always was and who Israel is now. Spiritual Israel is the logical progression of his purposes. It is those people, of whatever nation kindred tongue and people, who by faith in the mercy grace and power of God overcome sin and receive Christ’s righteousness and forgiveness as a gift and are willing to share that gift with the lost. True Israel was always exclusively those who “as princes had power with God and men and prevailed”.

This is exactly why Revelation ch7 is setup the way it is:
a.) Rev 7:1-8 The Israel of God
b.) Rev 7:9-2 Those who make up the Israel of God

JESUS promised = "The TWO shall become ONE" = Christ and His Bride/Church

 

[David in NJ]

I would take that even further. Jacob was named Israel because he had overcome. Jesus is the true Israel for the same reason. Those who joined the nation or were born into the nation of Israel were called Israelites, those who join Jesus are spiritual Israelites.
It wasn’t until Jesus came on the scene in person that the title “Israel” in it’s truest spiritual sense and power could be rightly bestowed. And Mathew in particular showed this time and time again how Jesus was the fulfillment of the OT prophecies which may have originally applied to the nation, but now, according to Mathew’s inspired writings, applied in fact to Jesus. Examples are Hosea 11:1 ; Isaiah 41:8, 42:1-3.
Paul followed the same idea and reasoning by paralleling Col 1:15 with Ex 4:22, Gal 3:16 with Isaiah 41:8 and elsewhere.

Jesus Himself proclaimed Himself as the true vine, in fulfilment of Ps 80:8 which applied to the nation.
So now the mantle and authority once bestowed upon the nation has been given to Jesus. Jesus is the essence of true Israel. He only has the right to bear the name for He only has prevailed with sin and overcome. Jesus walked over the same ground that Israel walked, but came through victorious. In His temptations in the wilderness, it was appetite that came under particular scrutiny.

What Paul does in Romans and other writers in the NT however is extend that idea and show how the name Israel also now applies to Jesus’ descendants, just as it did to Jacob’s descendants. Peter also showed this when he compared the church to Exodus 19:6.(1 Peter 2:9).
So as Paul says, immediately after saying that Jesus is the ‘seed’ of Abraham, Gentile converts in Galatia were now also Abraham’s seed because they are Christ’s. They are also heirs according to the promise.
This is not ‘replacement ‘ theology. It is merely a revelation of who true Israel always was and who Israel is now. Spiritual Israel is the logical progression of his purposes. It is those people, of whatever nation kindred tongue and people, who by faith in the mercy grace and power of God overcome sin and receive Christ’s righteousness and forgiveness as a gift and are willing to share that gift with the lost. True Israel was always exclusively those who “as princes had power with God and men and prevailed”.

Thus the unfulfilled covenant that Jeremiah speaks of and repeated in hebrews, “I will place My laws in their hearts and in their minds I will write them” applies to the church, not a resurgent nation. All Israel will be saved, but the descendants of Jesus, not flesh and blood descendants of Jacob.

Good Night and thank you for this excellent Post

 

[David in NJ]

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Good Night Brother

 

[amigo de christo]

It's never crossed my mind concerning you, no worries!!

Much love!

It be Lord praising time in the building and round the world .

 

[brightfame52]

The 144,000 before God at the end.​

Thats the Church, the Body of Christ, the Lambs Wife Eph 5:25-27

25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.