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Ritajanice
Born-Again
@marks, we can all do that.
Including you...that was my opinion, I spoke what I believed..nothing wrong in that...all my spirit questions never get answered...
Nothing nasty in what I said....I spoke the truth..we need to know Jesus in our heart/ spirit..
You make me laff...you have been downright rude to a poster on a thread...then end with................” much love.”.........then you have the cheek to say to me....saying “ my lovely” isn’t helping me....do you think your “ much love” on every post helps you, especially when you’ve just had........ “ barnyard “......with a member ..........seriously..it cracks me up.lol
Anyway moving on......
Including you...that was my opinion, I spoke what I believed..nothing wrong in that...all my spirit questions never get answered...
Nothing nasty in what I said....I spoke the truth..we need to know Jesus in our heart/ spirit..
You make me laff...you have been downright rude to a poster on a thread...then end with................” much love.”.........then you have the cheek to say to me....saying “ my lovely” isn’t helping me....do you think your “ much love” on every post helps you, especially when you’ve just had........ “ barnyard “......with a member ..........seriously..it cracks me up.lol
Anyway moving on......
ChristisGod
Well-Known Member
then you like adam have this sin nature still and do not have this " God connection" just like adam. You cannot have your cake and eat it too.
And no one was born again in the OT yet all those sinners had a walking talking relationship with God.
ChristisGod
Well-Known Member
Interesting that I was a calvinist for decades and taught calvinism. I'm no longer a calvinist and oppose their doctrines. I take issue with everyone who espouses tulip, calvinist determinism, calvinist predestination, calvinist sovereignty, calvinist regeneration just to name a few.Interesting. You suddenly appear in this thread and take issue with RitaJanice.
Hmmm
Those words are not used in the Bible. Plain and simple. Your paraphrase added them. These things are important to know. God gave us His Book for a reason. We should know what it says.
And yes, yes, yes, of course, the Holy Spirit gives us understanding. Isn't it important to listen to Him speak, including in the Bible? And not by cherry picking interpretive translations that happen to match our views?
Much love!
ChristisGod
Well-Known Member
Ritajanice
Born-Again
I had a sin nature very much so, of course I never knew I had a sin nature, how could I know that without Spirit revelation..
Once I became Born Again, my sin was no more, even though I’m a sinner..God see no sin in me...why, because I have been Born Of God’s seed...a Born Again doesn’t sin because they have been Born Of God’s seed.
You must have Gods witness His Living Holy Spirit witnessing that truth to your heart/spirit.
You couldn’t understand any of what I posted in your own human understanding, as it’s spirit talk.
ChristisGod
Well-Known Member
As both you and I know God delivers from evil and does not cause evil, sin. God temps no man to sin. God is Good, not sinful or the cause of sin as some would falsely accuse God of being. These passages are proof we are correct about God and Calvinism is wrong
James 1:13
When tempted, no one should say, "God is tempting me." For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He tempt anyone.
1 Chronicles 4:10
And Jabez called on the God of Israel, saying, Oh that thou wouldest bless me indeed, and enlarge my coast, and that thine hand might be with me, and that thou wouldest keep me from evil, that it may not grieve me! And God granted him that which he requested.
Psalm 121:7,8
The LORD shall preserve thee from all evil: he shall preserve thy soul…
Jeremiah 15:21
And I will deliver thee out of the hand of the wicked, and I will redeem thee out of the hand of the terrible.
Jeremiah 7:31
They have built the high places of Topheth in the Valley of Hinnom so they could burn their sons and daughters in the fire--something I never commanded, nor did it even enter My mind.
Jeremiah 19:5
They have built the high places of Baal to burn their children in the fire as offerings to Baal—something I did not command or mention, nor did it enter my mind.
Jeremiah 32:35
They have built the high places of Baal in the Valley of Hinnom to make their sons and daughters pass through the fire to Molech--something I never commanded them, nor had it ever entered My mind, that they should commit such an abomination and cause Judah to sin
Now Read calvin below:
“But it is quite frivolous refuge to say that God otiosely permits them, when Scripture shows Him not only willing but the author of them.” Concerning the Eternal Predestination of God page 176
“But the objection is not yet resolved, that if all things are done by the will of God, and men contrive nothing except by His will and ordination, then God is the author of all evils.” Concerning the Eternal Predestination of God, p.179
Did you read that God is the author. Yikes
The Famous Calvinist John Piper who gets it from the WCF says the following about evil taken from desiring god website :
"Ephesians 1:11 goes even further by declaring that God in Christ “works all things according to the counsel of his will.” Here the Greek word for “works” is energeø, which indicates that God not merely carries all of the universe’s objects and events to their appointed ends but that he actually brings about all things in accordance with his will. In other words, it isn’t just that God manages to turn the evil aspects of our world to good for those who love him; it is rather that he himself brings about these evil aspects for his glory (see Exodus 9:13-16; John 9:3) and his people’s good (see Hebrews 12:3-11; James 1:2-4).
This includes — as incredible and as unacceptable as it may currently seem — God’s having even brought about the Nazis’ brutality at Birkenau and Auschwitz as well as the terrible killings of Dennis Rader and even the sexual abuse of a young child: “The LORD has made everything for its own purpose, even the wicked for the day of evil” (Proverbs 16:4, NASB). “When times are good, be happy; but when times are bad, consider: God has made the one as well as the other” (Ecclesiastes 7:14, NIV)." www.desiringgod.org/message...ds-gracious-hand-in-the-hurts-others-do-to-us
hope this helps !!!
Your personal insults aside, the reason why it's an inaccurate translation is because it translates words as something they are not. "Spiritually dead" does not appear there. It has nothing to do with someone's understanding or lack thereof of death.
Looking at every place the word is used in the NT in particular will give you a more clear understanding of this passage I think.
Much love!
Ritajanice
Born-Again
Lovely, I am led through scripture by the Spirit...I don’t need to read the word every minute of the day..I am Spirit led..now if spiritual isn’t biblical so what...I’ve already been corrected on it and I was thankful for that correction...so let’s move on sweet pea...
They are not as important to me,I am corrected by the Spirit.....
We should know what it says?
Do you actually think you know everything that Gods word has to say?
I think not my lovely, no more than I do.
Show me my cherry picking and show me that I’m in error when I say we need to know Jesus in our spirit?
My advice to you is this...pray for heart/spirit revelation...more of it?...
ChristisGod
Well-Known Member
nor is the opposite that babies are automatically saved.
So you believe there is another way a person can get to heaven other than what Jesus said in John 3:3
Ritajanice
Born-Again
This makes no sense whatsoever....as I said you need to pray for more heart/ spirit revelation..
Quoting scripture doesn’t make you Born Again.
I actually wonder what point you are trying to make posting the scripture that you do @marks .
Do you not understand that we are Born Again in our spirit and have been chosen for Gods purpose and plan...what point are you trying to get across with all the scripture that you post @marks ?
Then what do you believe. You just said no to Muslim and Hindy children going to heaven. so which particular set of children amke it and which don't in light of all the Scriptures I posted?
ChristisGod
Well-Known Member
Total depravity/inability exposed below. Man actually has total ability. Just the opposite of the false premise of tulip.
How many times must God say something before the calvinist will believe Gods word and commands ?
The Parable of the sower refutes tulip
Matthew 13- The Parable of the Sower
1The same day went Jesus out of the house, and sat by the sea side.
2 And great multitudes were gathered together unto him, so that he went into a ship, and sat; and the whole multitude stood on the shore.
3 And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow;
4 And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up:
5 Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth:
6 And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away.
7 And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them:
8 But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.
9 Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.
17 For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.
18 Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower.
19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.
20 But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it;
21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.
22 He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.
23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.
T- man can choose to hear, see and receive the gospel
U- all can choose to believe and receive as demonstrated in the parable of the 4 soils
L- all soils received the seed without exception
I- 3 soils resisted all but 1 soil remained faithful and did not resist
P- 3/4 soils ( minds/hearts )did not preserver in the faith
1- Only something alive can be choked. You cannot choke the dead. And as we can see they all had life to begin with in each soil.
2- Only something alive can be scorched by the Sun and withered.
3- Only someone alive can receive the word in the heart and have it snatched away
4- Only someone alive can receive the word with Joy and endure for a while
Luke 14:23 And the master said to the servant, ‘Go out to the highways and hedges and compel (αναγκασον) people to come in, that my house may be filled. 24 For I tell you, none of those men who were invited shall taste my banquet.’” The Greek word αναγκασον is to urge or compel, not irresistibly draw.
There are 4 major Calvinist pillars that fall with the Parable of the Wedding Feast which is connected to the Parable of the Sower above.
hope this helps !!!
Total ABILITY
James 4:10
Humble yourselves before the Lord, and he will exalt you.1 Peter 5:6
Humble yourselves, therefore, under the mighty hand of God so that at the proper time he may exalt you,James 4:6
But he gives more grace. Therefore it says, “God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.”2 Chronicles 7:14
If my people who are called by my name humble themselves, and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and heal their land.Daniel 10:12
Then he said to me, “Fear not, Daniel, for from the first day that you set your heart to understand and humbled yourself before your God, your words have been heard, and I have come because of your words.1 Kings 21:29
“Have you seen how Ahab has humbled himself before me? Because he has humbled himself before me, I will not bring the disaster in his days; but in his son's days I will bring the disaster upon his house.”1 Peter 5:5
Likewise, you who are younger, be subject to the elders. Clothe yourselves, all of you, with humility toward one another, for “God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.”Zephaniah 2:3
Seek the Lord, all you humble of the land, who do his just commands; seek righteousness; seek humility; perhaps you may be hidden on the day of the anger of the Lord.Micah 6:8
He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the Lord require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?Psalm 25:9
He leads the humble in what is right, and teaches the humble his way.Proverbs 11:2
When pride comes, then comes disgrace, but with the humble is wisdom.Proverbs 3:34
Toward the scorners he is scornful, but to the humble he gives favor.Matthew 23:12
Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.How many times must God say something before the calvinist will believe Gods word and commands ?
The Parable of the sower refutes tulip
Matthew 13- The Parable of the Sower
1The same day went Jesus out of the house, and sat by the sea side.
2 And great multitudes were gathered together unto him, so that he went into a ship, and sat; and the whole multitude stood on the shore.
3 And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow;
4 And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up:
5 Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth:
6 And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away.
7 And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them:
8 But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.
9 Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.
17 For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.
18 Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower.
19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.
20 But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it;
21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.
22 He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.
23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.
T- man can choose to hear, see and receive the gospel
U- all can choose to believe and receive as demonstrated in the parable of the 4 soils
L- all soils received the seed without exception
I- 3 soils resisted all but 1 soil remained faithful and did not resist
P- 3/4 soils ( minds/hearts )did not preserver in the faith
1- Only something alive can be choked. You cannot choke the dead. And as we can see they all had life to begin with in each soil.
2- Only something alive can be scorched by the Sun and withered.
3- Only someone alive can receive the word in the heart and have it snatched away
4- Only someone alive can receive the word with Joy and endure for a while
Luke 14:23 And the master said to the servant, ‘Go out to the highways and hedges and compel (αναγκασον) people to come in, that my house may be filled. 24 For I tell you, none of those men who were invited shall taste my banquet.’” The Greek word αναγκασον is to urge or compel, not irresistibly draw.
There are 4 major Calvinist pillars that fall with the Parable of the Wedding Feast which is connected to the Parable of the Sower above.
- Monergism (Total Depravity),
- Preservation of Saints (many called by God but few chosen by God),
- Irresistible Grace (many called by God but few chosen by God),
- and even Limited Atonement because as many as could possibly be found were invited
hope this helps !!!
Ritajanice
Born-Again
marks...is your spirit Born Again...what’s with this obsession you have over being precise in the word.
Your precise in the written word is not the precise in my understanding of the written word.
Show me my errors and taking scripture out of text and we can then discuss..in the Spirit Marks.
There was no direct reference to Adam or Eve, however there was this.
So here's a question . . . are you thinking that Adam and Eve were unable to speak with God, but their children were able to?
Much love!
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