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Ritajanice
Born-Again
ChristisGod
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Predestination is Corperate, not individual. Notice it's always plural we, us are in Christ. Christ is the Elect One whom believers are placed in once they come to repentance and faith. See Ephesians below.
In him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will, 12 in order that we, who were the first to put our hope in Christ, might be for the praise of his glory. 13 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.
In him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will, 12 in order that we, who were the first to put our hope in Christ, might be for the praise of his glory. 13 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
But we aren’t living in the garden of Eden like Adam and Eve.
We inherited their sin...therefore our spirit needs to be made Alive in Christ.
That can only happen if God wills us to become Born Again via His Spirit.
ChristisGod
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was Adam dead after he sinned yes or no ?
according to you he was already spiritually dead once he sinned.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
When Adam sinned he lost that spirit communion with God.
Even though God spoke with them after they sinned.
What happened to them?
What did God bestow upon them?
We inherited that sin.
And until God decides to bring us out of sin we will remain in it.
We must be Born Again to see the Kingdom Of God.
Our spirit must be Born Again..a Living Spirit birth.
God is fair to all, he sets up the circumstances to allow for all men to seek Himself.
Everyone who believes in Christ without exception, God's promise to them is eternal life.
Except, God also has said, no one seeks for God.
The truth is this shows they are not lovers of God, they love the lusts of the flesh, the world and speak as the world speaks.
Everyone then is guilty of their own sin and worthy of eternal destruction as they don't seek Him, do not 'grope' for Him, do not want to keep God in their conscience, they continually refuse Him and what He commands all mankind to do, which is believe in His Son.
They are just as Romans 1 describes.
They do that as they are all of an evil mind from their youth.
Not naturally are all men sons of God.
They naturally are sons of destruction, sons of Satan having the devil as their father.
Only once you are born again, only then do you have God as your Father, as you are then of God, and not of the world any longer.
Genesis 8
Then the Lord said in His heart, “I will never again curse the ground for man’s sake, although the imagination of man’s heart is evil from his youth; nor will I again destroy every living thing as I have done.
22 “While the earth remains,
Seedtime and harvest,
Cold and heat,
Winter and summer,
And day and night
Shall not cease.”
Since no one seeks for God, God goes and gets the ones He already decided will have eternal life. Notice v14, v17.
God is visiting the gentiles to take out of them His people and God makes it possible for the rest of Mankind to seek Him, but it specifically mentions 'the Gentiles who are called by My Name', and we know that not all gentiles are of them that are called. Scriptures tell us some are called, but not all are called.
Acts 15, try reading this from my perspective and see in here some of these truths.
12 Then all the multitude kept silent and listened to Barnabas and Paul declaring how many miracles and wonders God had worked through them among the Gentiles. 13 And after they had [c]become silent, James answered, saying, “Men and brethren, listen to me: 14 Simon has declared how God at the first visited the Gentiles to take out of them a people for His name. 15 And with this the words of the prophets agree, just as it is written:
16 ‘After this I will return
And will rebuild the tabernacle of David, which has fallen down;
I will rebuild its ruins,
And I will set it up;
17 So that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord,
Even all the Gentiles who are called by My name,
Says the [d]Lord who does all these things.’
18 [e]“Known to God from eternity are all His works. 19 Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to God, 20 but that we write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols, from [f]sexual immorality, from things strangled, and from blood. 21 For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”
Example of them that are called, only the called receive the eternal inheritance of eternal life.
Hebrews 9
14 how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without [a]spot to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? 15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
Romans 1 and that calling. This was recognized by the apostles as a marker for those who are the called, that they love God and Christ and believe in His Son, being obedient to the message of the gospel. They are beloved of God, not just because they believed, but because God foreknew them before their births and elected His beloved to be saved.
Romans 1
1 Paul, a bondservant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated to the gospel of God 2 which He promised before through His prophets in the Holy Scriptures, 3 concerning His Son Jesus Christ our Lord, who [a]was born of the seed of David according to the flesh, 4 and declared to be the Son of God with power according to the Spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead. 5 Through Him we have received grace and apostleship for obedience to the faith among all nations for His name, 6 among whom you also are the called of Jesus Christ;
7 To all who are in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints:
Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
ChristisGod
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no he did not as God was still talking with adam in the garden after he sinned. according to calvinism he would of been spiritually dead and could not understand God, communicate with Him much less be in His presence.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
Sorry disagree...they lost that spirit bond/ communion with God...he banned them from his presence..
Subsequently, God banished Adam and Eve from the Garden of Eden, condemned Adam to work in order to get what he needed to live and condemned Eve to give birth in pain, and placed cherubim to guard the entrance, so that Adam and Eve would never eat from the "tree of life".
But why, "in hope"? Whose hope? False hope? Do you understand what I'm asking you?
Much love!
ChristisGod
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ChristisGod
Well-Known Member
Scripture on that please. I think that's not correct.
Genesis 4:16 KJV
And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.
This passage concerns Cain in particular, just the same, where was this "presence of the LORD"?
Genesis 4:3-6 KJV
3) And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD.
4) And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:
5) But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.
6) And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?
It appears there was a place where they bring their offering to God, and He would speak with them.
Much love!
BlessedPeace
Well-Known Member
Ritajanice
Born-Again
That’s your opinion love...he banned them from communion with him..
Going out of his presence....doesn’t mean they couldn’t be seen by God, no one said that.
They lost that spirit connection with God and we inherited their sin.
We have no connection with God not until we are Born Again.
I’ve just voiced my opinion and it disagrees with your opinion.
1 John 4 and the love of God manifested towards us is why we believed and not the others.
All these teachings from John are directed only to the church of Christ, not the world.
People who have applied this to the unbelieving world, seem to not notice there is no true love of men for men or men for God.
There is only strife, competition, the rat race, hatred and dislike, sexual lust, unnatural urges, and lording over others considered inferior and disposable in the fallen world.
Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: [d]adultery, [e]fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, [f]murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
1 John 4 is written for and to the church of believers and not the unbelieving world
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7 Beloved, let us love one another, for love is of God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God. 8 He who does not love does not know God, for God is love. 9 In this the love of God was manifested toward us, that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through Him. 10 In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins. 11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another.
All these teachings from John are directed only to the church of Christ, not the world.
People who have applied this to the unbelieving world, seem to not notice there is no true love of men for men or men for God.
There is only strife, competition, the rat race, hatred and dislike, sexual lust, unnatural urges, and lording over others considered inferior and disposable in the fallen world.
Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: [d]adultery, [e]fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, [f]murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
1 John 4 is written for and to the church of believers and not the unbelieving world
.
7 Beloved, let us love one another, for love is of God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God. 8 He who does not love does not know God, for God is love. 9 In this the love of God was manifested toward us, that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through Him. 10 In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins. 11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another.
Seeing God Through Love
12 No one has seen God at any time. If we love one another, God abides in us, and His love has been perfected in us. 13 By this we know that we abide in Him, and He in us, because He has given us of His Spirit. 14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son as Savior of the world. 15 Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God. 16 And we have known and believed the love that God has for us. God is love, and he who abides in love abides in God, and God in him.The Consummation of Love
17 Love has been perfected among us in this: that we may have boldness in the day of judgment; because as He is, so are we in this world. 18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves torment. But he who fears has not been made perfect in love. 19 We love [c]Him because He first loved us.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
I don’t need to post scripture..I voiced my opinion.
Look the scripture up on what happened to Adam and Eve once they ate from that tree.
What’s that scripture you posted got to do with Adam and Eve?
Is this some sort of scripture competition @marks ?
BlessedPeace
Well-Known Member
Interesting. You suddenly appear in this thread and take issue with RitaJanice.
Hmmm
Those God saves, are not of this world, they are of God, in truth they never were of the world, as God foreknew them as His people.
You did not choose God, Christ chose you.
John 15
16 You did not choose Me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit, and that your fruit should remain, that whatever you ask the Father in My name He may give you. 17 These things I command you, that you love one another.
19 If you were of the world, the world would love its own.
Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.
You did not choose God, Christ chose you.
John 15
16 You did not choose Me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit, and that your fruit should remain, that whatever you ask the Father in My name He may give you. 17 These things I command you, that you love one another.
The World’s Hatred
18 “If the world hates you, you know that it hated Me before it hated you.19 If you were of the world, the world would love its own.
Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
Hallelujah!!!..and Praise The Lord!!
Remember Jesus!!!
Look what was thrown at him....Rejoice in it and receive all the stones in Gods Love!!
Never retaliate in a nasty way....stay calm and let the Spirit lead.
That is what I’m being taught.
Love!...Love!!....Love!!
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