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[Eternally Grateful]

@Eternally Grateful see what I mean - Rita doesnt know the Lord Jesus Christ, or what he went through because she has false teaching in her.

In the days when he was in the flesh, he offered prayers and supplications with loud cries and tears to the one who was able to save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverence. Hebrews 5:7

So when was he saved?

(did you see this is another verse which shows you Christ was under condemnation of death - death had dominion over him!)

F2F

He never sinned, so he did not need saved.

When my sin was placed on him, he died.

But then he rose again, and he said it is finished.. If this is what you mean?

God could have saved him from death. He could have called and a million angels would have been sent.

But Jesus loved us so much, he refused and suffered

 

[Eternally Grateful]

In your own opinion..

according to the word..

 

[Ritajanice]

according to the word..

Post it then?

Post my error?

According to your word, which is non valid.

 

[Scott Downey]

KJ21
But because of Him are ye in Christ Jesus, who from God is made unto us wisdom and righteousness, and sanctification and redemption,
ASV
But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who was made unto us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption:
AMP
But it is from Him that you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God [revealing His plan of salvation], and righteousness [making us acceptable to God], and sanctification [making us holy and setting us apart for God], and redemption [providing our ransom from the penalty for sin],
AMPC
But it is from Him that you have your life in Christ Jesus, Whom God made our Wisdom from God, [revealed to us a knowledge of the divine plan of salvation previously hidden, manifesting itself as] our Righteousness [thus making us upright and putting us in right standing with God], and our Consecration [making us pure and holy], and our Redemption [providing our ransom from eternal penalty for sin].
BRG
But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
CSB
It is from him that you are in Christ Jesus, who became wisdom from God for us—our righteousness, sanctification, and redemption—
CEB
It is because of God that you are in Christ Jesus. He became wisdom from God for us. This means that he made us righteous and holy, and he delivered us.
CJB
It is his doing that you are united with the Messiah Yeshua. He has become wisdom for us from God, and righteousness and holiness and redemption as well!
CEV
You are God's children. He sent Christ Jesus to save us and to make us wise, acceptable, and holy.
DARBY
But of him are *ye* in Christ Jesus, who has been made to us wisdom from God, and righteousness, and holiness, and redemption;
DLNT
But by Him you are in Christ Jesus, Who became wisdom to us from God— both righteousness and holiness, and redemption—
DRA
But of him are you in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and justice, and sanctification, and redemption:
ERV
It is God who has made you part of Christ Jesus. And Christ has become for us wisdom from God. He is the reason we are right with God and pure enough to be in his presence. Christ is the one who set us free from sin.
EASY
It is because of God's work that you now belong to Christ Jesus. As a result of Christ's death on the cross, we share in God's wise plan. Because we belong to Christ, God makes us right with himself. He makes us his own special people. He makes us free from the power of sin.
EHV
But because of him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us the wisdom from God, namely, our righteousness and sanctification and redemption.
ESV
And because of him you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, righteousness and sanctification and redemption,

GW
You are partners with Christ Jesus because of God. Jesus has become our wisdom sent from God, our approval, our holiness, and our ransom from sin.
GNT
But God has brought you into union with Christ Jesus, and God has made Christ to be our wisdom. By him we are put right with God; we become God's holy people and are set free.
HCSB
But it is from Him that you are in Christ Jesus, who became God-given wisdom for us—our righteousness, sanctification, and redemption,
ICB
It is God who has made you part of Christ Jesus. Christ has become wisdom for us from God. Christ is the reason we are right with God and have freedom from sin; Christ is the reason we are holy.
ISV
It is because of God that you are in union with the Messiah Jesus, who for us has become wisdom from God, as well as our righteousness, sanctification, and redemption.
PHILLIPS
For look at your own calling as Christians, my brothers. You don’t see among you many of the wise (according to this world’s judgment) nor many of the ruling class, nor many from the noblest families. But God has chosen what the world calls foolish to shame the wise; he has chosen what the world calls weak to shame the strong. He has chosen things of little strength and small repute, yes and even things which have no real existence to explode the pretensions of the things that are—that no man may boast in the presence of God. Yet from this same God you have received your standing in Jesus Christ, and he has become for us the true wisdom, a matter, in practice, of being made righteous and holy, in fact, of being redeemed. And this makes us see the truth of scripture: ‘He who glories, let him glory in the Lord.
JUB
But of him ye are reborn in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom and righteousness and sanctification and redemption,
KJV
But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
AKJV
But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
LSB
But by His doing you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption,
LEB
But from him you are in Christ Jesus, who became wisdom to us from God, and righteousness and sanctification and redemption,
TLB
For it is from God alone that you have your life through Christ Jesus. He showed us God’s plan of salvation; he was the one who made us acceptable to God; he made us pure and holy and gave himself to purchase our salvation.
MSG
Take a good look, friends, at who you were when you got called into this life. I don’t see many of “the brightest and the best” among you, not many influential, not many from high-society families. Isn’t it obvious that God deliberately chose men and women that the culture overlooks and exploits and abuses, chose these “nobodies” to expose the hollow pretensions of the “somebodies”? That makes it quite clear that none of you can get by with blowing your own horn before God. Everything that we have—right thinking and right living, a clean slate and a fresh start—comes from God by way of Jesus Christ. That’s why we have the saying, “If you’re going to blow a horn, blow a trumpet for God.”
MEV
But because of Him you are in Christ Jesus, whom God made unto us wisdom, righteousness, sanctification, and redemption.
MOUNCE
But you are of him in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification and redemption,
NOG
You are partners with Christ Yeshua because of God. Yeshua has become our wisdom sent from God, our approval, our holiness, and our ransom from sin.
NABRE
It is due to him that you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God, as well as righteousness, sanctification, and redemption,
NASB
But it is due to Him that you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption,
NASB1995
But by His doing you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption,
NCB
It is through him that you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom of God, as well as righteousness, sanctification, and redemption.
NCV
Because of God you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God. In Christ we are put right with God, and have been made holy, and have been set free from sin.
NET
He is the reason you have a relationship with Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification and redemption,
NIRV
Because of what God has done, you belong to Christ Jesus. He has become God’s wisdom for us. He makes us right with God. He makes us holy and sets us free.
NIV
It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God—that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption.
NIVUK
It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God – that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption.
NKJV
But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God—and righteousness and sanctification and redemption—
NLV
God Himself made the way so you can have new life through Christ Jesus. God gave us Christ to be our wisdom. Christ made us right with God and set us apart for God and made us holy. Christ bought us with His blood and made us free from our sins.
NLT
God has united you with Christ Jesus. For our benefit God made him to be wisdom itself. Christ made us right with God; he made us pure and holy, and he freed us from sin.
NMB
And to him you belong in Christ Jesus, who by God is made wisdom to us, and also righteousness and sanctifying and redemption,
NRSVA
He is the source of your life in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification and redemption,
NRSVACE
He is the source of your life in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification and redemption,
NRSVCE
He is the source of your life in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification and redemption,
NRSVUE
In contrast, God is why you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification and redemption,
NTFE
Who and what you now are is a gift from God in Messiah Jesus, who has become for us God’s wisdom—and righteousness, sanctification and redemption as well;
OJB
But you are of Hashem in Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach Yehoshua who became to us chochmah (wisdom) from Hashem, our Tzidkanut (Righteousness) and our Kedushah (Holiness) and our Geulah LaOlam (Redemption to the world), [Jer 23:5,6; 33:16]
RGT
But you are of Him in Christ Jesus, Who, out of God, is made wisdom and righteousness to us, and sanctification, and redemption.
RSV
He is the source of your life in Christ Jesus, whom God made our wisdom, our righteousness and sanctification and redemption;

 

[Ritajanice]

God could have saved him from death. He could have called and a million angels would have been sent.

But Jesus loved us so much, he refused and suffered

Jesus was predestined to die on that cross in body....it was all part of God’s plan from the beginning....he did not die in Spirit if he had done that he would have ceased to have been God.

When Jesus was 12, the Bible says, His parents discovered Him in the Temple, “sitting among the teachers, listening to them and asking them questions” (Luke 2:46). No, God did not die or cease to exist when Jesus was put to death on the cross. He was truly God in human form — fully God, and yet also fully man.

 

[Scott Downey]

New Revised Standard Version Updated Edition

26 Consider your own call, brothers and sisters: not many of you were wise by human standards,[e] not many were powerful, not many were of noble birth. 27 But God chose what is foolish in the world to shame the wise; God chose what is weak in the world to shame the strong; 28 God chose what is low and despised in the world, things that are not, to abolish things that are, 29 so that no one[f] might boast in the presence of God. 30 In contrast, God is why you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification and redemption, 31 in order that, as it is written, “Let the one who boasts, boast in[g] the Lord.”

 

[face2face]

Jesus was God in the flesh.....unfortunately you are the false teacher by saying that Jesus needed saving, completely and utterly false and unbiblical.

Jesus never died spiritually on that cross, if he had he would have ceased to be God...His body died not his Spirit..he was resurrected and had a spiritual body..

It’s his spirit that we are Born Again of @face2face not his body.

Wow insane (spiritually speaking) that you can read the Bible and not realise his salvation is yours. I mean you have just removed him from being the firstfruits of them the are dead (asleep). Even his own words in Revelation 1 states he was dead and now lives for evermore. The ramifications of what you believe place you outside of the body of Christ - staggering.

6:4 Therefore we have been buried with him through baptism into death, in order that just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too may live a new life Rom 6:4.

All of Romans 6 holds nothing for you if you dont believe Jesus Christ died and was saved of His Father.

F2F

 

[face2face]

He never sinned, so he did not need saved.

Now you are getting real close!

 

[Ritajanice]

Wow insane (spiritually speaking) that you can read the Bible and not realise his salvation is yours. I mean you have just removed him from being the firstfruits of them the are dead (asleep). Even his own words in Revelation 1 states he was dead and now lives for evermore. The ramifications of what you believe place you outside of the body of Christ - staggering.

This is just your own opinion..nothing Biblical here, just human understanding being posted.

6:4 Therefore we have been buried with him through baptism into death, in order that just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too may live a new life Rom 6:4.

So tell me @face2face where or how do you know this truth?

Just by reading your Bible?

All of Romans 6 holds nothing for you if you dont believe Jesus Christ died and was saved of His Father.

You wouldn’t know that Jesus died and was resurrected..without being Born Of The Spirit.

You need the Spirit to witness that truth to your heart/spirit ....

Jesus is known in our spirit..not by reading scripture as you do in your own human understanding

F2F

That is not how we are Born Again...we have been brought from death into His life by the power of His witness God’s Living Holy Spirit...when he makes us Born Of The Spirit.

Not by reading into scripture what you believe...your spiritual understanding and spiritual knowledge is nowhere to be found in your posts...just your own human understanding of God’s word...

You need God’s witness His Living Holy Spirit to understand God’s written word..he leads us through scripture and brings it to our understanding in our spirit.

 

[face2face]

@Eternally Grateful

If the wages of sin is death Romans 6:23 and we have shown he was held under deaths dominion, until he was crucified and raised...

Then we understand this....

but we see Jesus, who was made lower than the angels for a little while, now crowned with glory and honor because he suffered (tasted) death, so that by God’s grace he would experience (tasted) death on behalf of everyone. Heb 2:9.

What did Jesus need saving from?

Answer: The affects of sin in his body (not his!); death working in his members which is why Christ was raised up in the line of Adam (Jesus is called the second Adam!).

Read this very carefully!!!!

2:14 Therefore, since the children (you) share in flesh and blood, he (Jesus) likewise shared in their humanity, so that through death he could destroy the one who holds the power of death (that is, the devil = sin personified Romans 6:23! - sin has the power of death!), 2:15 and set free those who were held in slavery all their lives by their fear of death. 2:16 For surely his concern is not for angels, but he is concerned for Abraham’s descendants. 2:17 Therefore he had to be made like his brothers and sisters in every respect, so that he could become a merciful and faithful high priest in things relating to God, to make atonement for the sins of the people. Heb 2:14–18.

All of this teaching is completely and utterly lost on Rita - she has zero understanding of what Paul is teaching and she may never.

What God did in the body of Christ on the Cross was the most profound victory this earth has ever seen!

However, the moment you make Christ God its all lost!

F2F

 

[Ritajanice]

All of this teaching is completely and utterly lost on Rita - she has zero understanding of what Paul is teaching and she may never.

The Law cannot save us because it cannot change the sinful human heart(Rom. 8:3-4). But God, being gracious and merciful, sent his Son to become a human and take the punishment that we deserve. Christ bore the wrath of God on the cross on our behalf, satisfying God's justice and paying the price for our sin.

What God did in the body of Christ on the Cross was the most profound victory this earth has ever seen!

I’m afraid all of your teachings are manmade religion.and they need to be exposed ..it doesn’t come from the Spirit of God.

How could you possibly know in your human understanding that Jesus died on a cross?

So I ask you again

Where and how do you know that Jesus died and was resurrected?

Just by reading your Bible?

 

[face2face]

He never sinned, so he did not need saved.

When my sin was placed on him, he died.

But then he rose again, and he said it is finished.. If this is what you mean?

God could have saved him from death. He could have called and a million angels would have been sent.

But Jesus loved us so much, he refused and suffered

And please remember I asked you "how" your sins were represented in his body.

8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. 8:2 For the law of the life-giving Spirit in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and death. 8:3 For God achieved what the law could not do because it was weakened through the flesh. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and concerning sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, Ro 8:1–3.

Everything God did in Christ was to abolish the law of sin which leads to death!

How did He do this?

He raised up a son in the line of Adam who had our condemned nature with all the temptations we have but he through obeidence overcame the nature and was unjustly put to death on the Cross...which is why the grave could not hold him!

Although he was a son, he learned obedience through what he suffered. Hebrews 5:8

He suffered the affects of sin in his body like no other, though still being sinless

Death no longer has dominion over him!

F2F

 

[Scott Downey]

Wow insane (spiritually speaking) that you can read the Bible and not realise his salvation is yours. I mean you have just removed him from being the firstfruits of them the are dead (asleep). Even his own words in Revelation 1 states he was dead and now lives for evermore. The ramifications of what you believe place you outside of the body of Christ - staggering.

6:4 Therefore we have been buried with him through baptism into death, in order that just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too may live a new life Rom 6:4.

All of Romans 6 holds nothing for you if you dont believe Jesus Christ died and was saved of His Father.

F2F

Your thinking is Jesus also needed saving then?

 

[Ritajanice]

Commentary.

First, we need to define sin nature. The “nature” of a person or object is commonly thought of as its essential qualities or attributes; that which makes it what it is. Therefore if something has a “sin nature” sin is a defining attribute of that thing.

Hebrews 4:15 tells us Jesus is “without sin.” Since He is without sin, sin cannot be one of His essential qualities or attributes. You cannot have a sin nature, and be without sin. Christ’s nature is not sinful. Hebrews also tells us about Jesus’ pure nature. He is “holy, innocent, unstained, separated from sinners, and exalted above the heavens” (Hebrews 7:26).

Part of the misunderstanding is that a human nature is synonymous with a sin nature, or that one must have a sin nature to be genuinely tempted. Both points are wrong. The proof is Adam was fully human, and though he had no sin nature he was genuinely tempted. So the Last Adam, Jesus, had no sin nature and was genuinely tempted, the difference being that Adam sinned and Jesus didn’t.

There have always been cults, such as the Christadelphians, that teach Jesus had a sin nature. However, some mainstream Christians see the sin nature of Jesus as necessary because He was “like us in every respect,” a “real man” and “tempted in all ways like us,” as Hebrews says (Heb. 2:17-18; 4:15). So how could these verses be true if He didn’t have a sin nature?

Some argue that the sin nature is passed on to a child through the father, not the mother. They point out that we are all said to have sinned in Adam, not in Eve (Romans 5:12), even though Eve sinned first. Humans have 23 pairs of chromosomes: one member of each pair inherited from the mother and the other from the father. This suggests that when the Holy Spirit overshadowed Mary (Luke 1:35), and Jesus was conceived in His mother, God miraculously supplied the other 23 chromosomes to make the matched pair with Mary’s. These would normally have come from a human father.

If it is true that the sin nature is passed on by the father (there is no biblical proof of this, it is only a supposition based on the human race sinning in Adam), in the case of Jesus there was no human father to pass it on. This might be (we can’t be sure, but it’s possible) what allowed Him to be the only human being conceived since Adam and Eve’s fall not to have a sin nature.

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

That is NOT what God’s word says...we are Born Of The Spirit...our spirit is Born Again...you is not eternal...our spirit has been set free from eternal damnation.

Me my body will be going back into the ground..my spirit has eternal life as it’s Born Again.

Our spirit is dead and alienated from God..we need to be Born Again...Spirit gives birth to spirit.

Why then ???

Eccl 12:7 then the dust will return to the earth as it was, and the spirit will return to God who gave it.

This is not a born again experience. Yet the human spirit lives.

Matt 10:28 “Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell

The human soul is not his spirit. It is the spirit that goes back forever to God.

Any bolding, color or size changes are mine for emphasis

What is the human spirit? | GotQuestions.org

What is the human spirit? What does the Bible say about the nature of the human spirit? How is the human spirit related to the body and soul?

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The human spirit is the incorporeal part of man. The Bible says that the human spirit is the very breath of Almighty God and was breathed into man at the beginning of God’s creation: “Then the LORD God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being” (Genesis 2:7). It is the human spirit that gives us a consciousness of self and other remarkable, though limited, “God-like” qualities. The human spirit includes our intellect, emotions, fears, passions, and creativity. It is this spirit that provides us the unique ability to comprehend and understand (Job 32:8, 18).

( There is a short video in the link)

The words spirit and breath are translations of the Hebrew word neshamah and the Greek word pneuma. The words mean “strong wind, blast, or inspiration.” Neshamah is the source of life that vitalizes humanity (Job 33:4). It is the intangible, unseen human spirit that governs man’s mental and emotional existence. The apostle Paul said, “Who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man’s spirit within him?” (1 Corinthians 2:11). Upon death the “spirit returns back to God who gave it” (Ecclesiastes 12:7; see also Job 34:14-15; Psalm 104:29-30).

Every human being has a spirit, and it is distinct from the “spirit,” or life, of animals. God made man differently from the animals in that He created us “in the image of God” (Genesis 1:26-27). Therefore, man is able to think, feel, love, design, create, and enjoy music, humor, and art. And it is because of the human spirit that we have a “free will” that no other creature on earth has.

The human spirit was damaged in the fall. When Adam sinned, his ability to fellowship with God was broken; he did not die physically that day, but he died spiritually. Ever since, the human spirit has borne the effects of the fall. Before salvation, a person is characterized as spiritually “dead” (Ephesians 2:1-5; Colossians 2:13). A relationship with Christ revitalizes our spirits and renews us day by day (2 Corinthians 4:16).

Interestingly, just as the human spirit was divinely breathed into the first man, so the Holy Spirit was breathed into the first disciples in John 20:22: “And with that [Jesus] breathed on them and said, ‘Receive the Holy Spirit’” (Acts 2:38). Adam was made alive by the breath of God, and we, as “new creations” in Christ, are made spiritually alive by the “Breath of God,” the Holy Spirit (2 Corinthians 5:17; John 3:3; Romans 6:4). Upon our acceptance of Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit of God joins with our own spirit in ways we cannot comprehend. The apostle John said, “This is how we know that we live in Him and He in us: He has given us of His Spirit” (1 John 4:13).

When we allow the Spirit of God to lead our lives, the “Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children” (Romans 8:16). As children of God, we are no longer led by our own spirit but by God’s Spirit, who leads us to eternal life.

NOW: An explanation of difference between our human spirits and our human souls.

What is the difference between the soul and spirit of humanity? | GotQuestions.org

What is the difference between the soul and spirit of humanity? Is the spirit part of the soul, or are the two entirely separate?

www.gotquestions.org

The soul and the spirit are the two primary immaterial parts ascribed to humanity in Scripture. Discerning the precise differences between the two can be confusing. The word spirit refers only to the immaterial facet of humanity. Human beings have a spirit, but we are not spirits. However, in Scripture, only believers are said to be spiritually alive (1 Corinthians 2:11; Hebrews 4:12; James 2:26); unbelievers are spiritually dead (Ephesians 2:1–5; Colossians 2:13). In Paul’s writing, the spiritual is pivotal to the life of the believer (1 Corinthians 2:14; 3:1; Ephesians 1:3; 5:19; Colossians 1:9; 3:16). The spirit is the element in humanity that gives us the ability to have an intimate relationship with God. The word spirit refers to the immaterial part of humanity that “connects” with God, who Himself is spirit (John 4:24).

(Another short video in the link)

The word soul can refer to both the immaterial and material aspects of humanity. Humans have a spirit but are souls. In its most basic sense, the word soul means “life”; beyond this essential meaning, the Bible speaks of the soul in many contexts. One of these is in relation to humanity’s basic selfishness (e.g., Luke 12:19). Human beings have a sinful nature, and our souls are tainted with sin. The soul, as the life essence of the body, is removed at the time of physical death (Genesis 35:18). The soul, as with the spirit, is the center of many spiritual and emotional experiences (Job 30:25; Psalm 43:5; Jeremiah 13:17). The word soul can refer to the whole person, whether alive on earth or in the afterlife (see Revelation 6:9).

The soul and the spirit are connected, but separable (Hebrews 4:12). The soul is the essence of humanity’s being; it is who we are. The spirit is the immaterial part of humanity that connects with God.

 

[face2face]

@Eternally Grateful

Where did God condemn sin? In the body of the Lord Jesus Christ!
How did God do it? By raising him up in the Line of Adam, Abraham and David having our nature
Why did He decide to do it in His Son's Body? For all that is in the world—the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride of life—is not from the Father but is from the world. And Christ overcame the World!

15:54 Now when this perishable puts on the imperishable, and this mortal puts on immortality, then the saying that is written will happen, “Death has been swallowed up in victory.” 15:55 “Where, O death, is your victory? Where, O death, is your sting?” 15:56 The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. 15:57 But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ!

Death where is your sting? your victory?

Maybe now you are seeing the importance of this subject of sin & death?

F2F

 

[Ritajanice]

Why then ???

Eccl 12:7 then the dust will return to the earth as it was, and the spirit will return to God who gave it.

This is not a born again experience. Yet the human spirit lives.

Matt 10:28 “Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell

The human soul is not his spirit. It is the spirit that goes back forever to God.

Any bolding, color or size changes are mine for emphasis

What is the human spirit? | GotQuestions.org

What is the human spirit? What does the Bible say about the nature of the human spirit? How is the human spirit related to the body and soul?

www.gotquestions.org

NOW: An explanation of difference between our human spirits and our human souls.

What is the difference between the soul and spirit of humanity? | GotQuestions.org

What is the difference between the soul and spirit of humanity? Is the spirit part of the soul, or are the two entirely separate?

www.gotquestions.org

Sorry your post makes no sense to my spirit.

I’ve already explained how our spirit is Born Again....scroll back and you will read how we need God’s witness His Living Holy Spirit....to make our spirit Born Again.

If you’re still thinking in the natural man/ woman, then you won’t understand what I’m saying in the Spirit.

We can only understand Spirit gives birth to spirit....in our spirit...because that is where we have been Born Again.” In our spirit and only our spirit “

 

[face2face]

Your thinking is Jesus also needed saving then?

Absolutely otherwise how are you saved? You have no firstfruits! It would also mean you are still in condemnation.

Or do you not know that as many as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? Rom 6:3.

You can't enter Christ without entering his life, death and resurrection.

In the days of his flesh, Jesus offered up prayers and supplications, with loud cries and tears, to him (God) who was able to save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverence. Hebrews 5:7

I mean we are reading the same text, right?

I could show you so many passages which teach you the Lord required saving from death (not sin!) DEATH

This is the crux of the entire story!

F2F

 

[Ritajanice]

Absolutely otherwise how are you saved

We are saved from eternal damnation by becoming Born Again just as Gods word says.

You must be Born Again to see the Kingdom Of God?

It’s because of Jesus death and resurrection that we can become Born Of The Spirit.

Without the Spirit you are none of His just as his word says.

1 Corinthians 12:3New King James Version (NKJV) Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit

Knowledge of scripture does not make your spirit Born Again.

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

You wouldn’t know that Jesus died and was resurrected..without being Born Of The Spirit.

I knew when I was first being taught the truth.... From my parents and my Sundays schools.... around the age of six, or a little before.

You need the Spirit to witness that truth to your heart/spirit ....

That's cool with me. The first bible verse I remember having committed to memory was " For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.".

A long time before you all were learning or having thoughts on the subject according to most testimonies.