Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

[CTK]

Who is God and Magog? If you find they represent those dead in Christ and have been resurrected, then they are destroyed by fire (20:7-9), and then Satan, who was also brought out of the abyss would be sent to the lake of fire and never heard of again.

And it that is true (which I believe represents "today's accepted interpretation," this will required these same folks to be resurrected once again to stand before the GWTJ where they will be sent to the lake of fire.

This means the dead in Christ would have to be resurrected twice and die 3 times.... I have alot of difficutly with this...

When I attempted to complete an outline of these events prior to preparing a narrative on this chapter, the sequence of events made no sense to me.....

The only way I can see these events happening without these multiple resurrections is if the definition of Gog and Magog do NOT represent those dead in Christ and were resurrected and destroyed by fire..... but they represent the fallen angels associated with Satan. Thus, they and Satan were brought out of the abyss, and the fallen angels (Gog and Magog) were destroyed by fire, Satan was thrown into the lake of fire never to be heard of again, and then the dead in Christ were resurrected to be present in the GWTJ..

Any thoughts?

 

[Truth7t7]

Who is God and Magog? If you find they represent those dead in Christ and have been resurrected, then they are destroyed by fire (20:7-9), and then Satan, who was also brought out of the abyss would be sent to the lake of fire and never heard of again.

And it that is true (which I believe represents "today's accepted interpretation," this will required these same folks to be resurrected once again to stand before the GWTJ where they will be sent to the lake of fire.

This means the dead in Christ would have to be resurrected twice and die 3 times.... I have alot of difficutly with this...

When I attempted to complete an outline of these events prior to preparing a narrative on this chapter, the sequence of events made no sense to me.....

The only way I can see these events happening without these multiple resurrections is if the definition of Gog and Magog do NOT represent those dead in Christ and were resurrected and destroyed by fire..... but they represent the fallen angels associated with Satan. Thus, they and Satan were brought out of the abyss, and the fallen angels (Gog and Magog) were destroyed by fire, Satan was thrown into the lake of fire never to be heard of again, and then the dead in Christ were resurrected to be present in the GWTJ..

Any thoughts?

Many falsely believe and teach that the book of Revelation is seen in chronological order this claim is "False", the book is seen in parallel teachings of same exact events

The book of Revelation is in parallel teachings of same events, chapter 16, 19, 20 same final battle in gathering the Nation's, parallel teachings, same event

Parallel Teachings Of (The End) Below

When the 7th angel sounds in verse 15 below it's (The End)

Revelation 11:15KJV
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Below when the 7th vial is poured out its (The End)

Revelation 16:16-17KJV
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

Parallel Teachings Of The Final Judgement Below

Revelation 11:18KJV
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Revelation 20:11-15KJV
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their
Works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

 

[Truth7t7]

Who is God and Magog? If you find they represent those dead in Christ and have been resurrected, then they are destroyed by fire (20:7-9), and then Satan, who was also brought out of the abyss would be sent to the lake of fire and never heard of again.

And it that is true (which I believe represents "today's accepted interpretation," this will required these same folks to be resurrected once again to stand before the GWTJ where they will be sent to the lake of fire.

This means the dead in Christ would have to be resurrected twice and die 3 times.... I have alot of difficutly with this...

When I attempted to complete an outline of these events prior to preparing a narrative on this chapter, the sequence of events made no sense to me.....

The only way I can see these events happening without these multiple resurrections is if the definition of Gog and Magog do NOT represent those dead in Christ and were resurrected and destroyed by fire..... but they represent the fallen angels associated with Satan. Thus, they and Satan were brought out of the abyss, and the fallen angels (Gog and Magog) were destroyed by fire, Satan was thrown into the lake of fire never to be heard of again, and then the dead in Christ were resurrected to be present in the GWTJ..

Any thoughts?

Satan Is Currently Bound For 1,000 Years Explained​

Satan is "Currently" bound from "One Specific Purpose", And One Only?

"Deceive The Nations" To Battle

The Non-Literal 1,000 Years (Revelation) 20:1-6 Are Taking Place Now In The Lords Spiritual, And Will Cease At The Future Second Coming

If A Tribulation Saint Were To Die One Day Before The Second Coming, He Enters Into The Non-Literal 1,000 Year Reign

Many That Promote Millennialism Falsely Teach, Satan Cant Be Presently Bound Because Evil Exist In The World?

Satan Is Presently Bound As Is Clearly Seen In (Revelation) 20:7-8 Below That Interprets (Deceive The Nations) Is To Battle, Not General Evil In The World Presently.

Satan Is Loosed At The End Of The Tribulation When The 6th Vial Is Poured Out As Seen In (Revelation) 16:12, The Deception Is Devils In False Miracles Going Forth To The Kings Of The Earth, To Gather Them To The Final Battle

(Revelation) 20:1-9KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

(Revelation) 16:12-14 & (Revelation) 20:7-8 Same Deception In Gathering The Nations To The Very Same Final Battle In "Parallel" Teachings Of The Same Event

(Revelation) 16:12-17KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

 

[Galgal]

Gog from the land of Magog in the 37th chapter of the book of the prophet Ezekiel, as well as in Revelation, is an allegorical image of those people, religions and states that encroach on the promises of God, which are given to the Jewish people, given to Israel. God's Word, presented in the form of dry bones lying on the surface of religion, comes to life and becomes Israel. Human traditions of religions, the human word, on the contrary, dies, having fought with another human word or tradition. The mutual conflict of human words destroys them, this is shown as the self-destruction of Gog in the prophecy of Ezekiel. In Revelation it is shown a little differently: fire from heaven destroys those who, not being the legitimate heirs of God, try to appropriate the promises of the Bible.

A striking example is the theory of substitution. Or another example is an attempt to present European countries as "the tribes of Israel". Or another example - the messianic claims of Russian Orthodoxy, which consider all Jews before Jesus Christ to be Orthodox, and consider Judaism to be a breakaway sect. All such beliefs will burn in the fire of Judgment. The entire Christian religion, which considers itself the true heir of God and Christ, will be destroyed. The Bible was written by Jews, for Jews, and whoever wants to have the promises of the Jews must be a Jew himself (and not an American, not a Russian, not a Protestant, not an Orthodox, etc.). This is the essence of the vision of Gog from the land of Magog.

 

[CTK]

Satan Is Currently Bound For 1,000 Years Explained​

Satan is "Currently" bound from "One Specific Purpose", And One Only?

"Deceive The Nations" To Battle

The Non-Literal 1,000 Years (Revelation) 20:1-6 Are Taking Place Now In The Lords Spiritual, And Will Cease At The Future Second Coming

If A Tribulation Saint Were To Die One Day Before The Second Coming, He Enters Into The Non-Literal 1,000 Year Reign

Many That Promote Millennialism Falsely Teach, Satan Cant Be Presently Bound Because Evil Exist In The World?

Satan Is Presently Bound As Is Clearly Seen In (Revelation) 20:7-8 Below That Interprets (Deceive The Nations) Is To Battle, Not General Evil In The World Presently.

Satan Is Loosed At The End Of The Tribulation When The 6th Vial Is Poured Out As Seen In (Revelation) 16:12, The Deception Is Devils In False Miracles Going Forth To The Kings Of The Earth, To Gather Them To The Final Battle

(Revelation) 20:1-9KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

(Revelation) 16:12-14 & (Revelation) 20:7-8 Same Deception In Gathering The Nations To The Very Same Final Battle In "Parallel" Teachings Of The Same Event

(Revelation) 16:12-17KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

I agree with you that there is much repetition in Revelation - you properly call it parallelism. This is so evident in the Book of Daniel and this is also why today's accepted interpretations on Daniel are grossly incorrect since they are viewed as being in chronological order.

But in this case, where these verses are within the same scene and maybe providing a greater level of detail to the big picture verses in chapter 16, these few do seem to contradict each other.... There is not much at all written about who Gog and Magog are.... many interpret them as those who have rejected Christ but I am not sure - even if they might be providing further details of events found earlier in Revelation. This is the first time these guys are mentioned in Revelation and also, there is nothing (I believe) in Revelation up to this chapter that reveals what God will do with those fallen angels.....

 

[Douggg]

Gog and Magog of Revelation 20:8 is referring to the same nations making up the Gog/Magog event nations of Ezekiel 38-39 a thousand years earlier.

My comment in brackets. The reason I say including is because in the verse "which are in the four quarters of the earth" seems to indicate a larger number of nations than just the Gog and Magog nations of Ezekiel 38-39.

Revelation 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, [including] Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

 

[CTK]

Gog from the land of Magog in the 37th chapter of the book of the prophet Ezekiel, as well as in Revelation, is an allegorical image of those people, religions and states that encroach on the promises of God, which are given to the Jewish people, given to Israel. God's Word, presented in the form of dry bones lying on the surface of religion, comes to life and becomes Israel. Human traditions of religions, the human word, on the contrary, dies, having fought with another human word or tradition. The mutual conflict of human words destroys them, this is shown as the self-destruction of Gog in the prophecy of Ezekiel. In Revelation it is shown a little differently: fire from heaven destroys those who, not being the legitimate heirs of God, try to appropriate the promises of the Bible.

A striking example is the theory of substitution. Or another example is an attempt to present European countries as "the tribes of Israel". Or another example - the messianic claims of Russian Orthodoxy, which consider all Jews before Jesus Christ to be Orthodox, and consider Judaism to be a breakaway sect. All such beliefs will burn in the fire of Judgment. The entire Christian religion, which considers itself the true heir of God and Christ, will be destroyed. The Bible was written by Jews, for Jews, and whoever wants to have the promises of the Jews must be a Jew himself (and not an American, not a Russian, not a Protestant, not an Orthodox, etc.). This is the essence of the vision of Gog from the land of Magog.

Well, I don't know all about that, but I can tell you the NT is not written for the Jews, all peoples must be Jews, the entire Christian church is destroyed..... I do remember a verse in the NT, saying there is no longer Jew or Greek, slave or........And I think I also remember a verse or two about the Good News being preached to the Gentiles.....


So, I will return to the verses in Ezekiel to see if they define the terms Gog and Magog...... but I am certainly confused how you could possibly interpret the Scriptures as you discribed above... but, everyone is entitiled to their own veiws...

 

[Truth7t7]

This is the first time these guys are mentioned in Revelation and also, there is nothing (I believe) in Revelation up to this chapter that reveals what God will do with those fallen angels.....

Nothing in Revelation Chapter 20 mentions "Fallen Angels" as you falsely claim, as you try to construct a completely false doctrine not found in scripture "Wrong"

As is clearly seen the worlds "Nations" are Gog/Magog, simple, clear, easy to understand, and before your eyes in Revelation 20:8 below

"THE NATIONS"

Revelation 20:7-9KJV
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

(Revelation) 16:12-14 & (Revelation) 20:7-8 Same Deception In Gathering The Nations To The Very Same Final Battle In "Parallel" Teachings Of The Same Event

(Revelation) 16:12-17KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

 

[CTK]

Nothing in Revelation Chapter 20 mentions "Fallen Angels" as you falsely claim, as you try to construct a completely false doctrine not found in scripture "Wrong"

As is clearly seen the worlds "Nations" are Gog/Magog, simple, clear, easy to understand, and before your eyes in Revelation 20:8 below

"THE NATIONS"

Revelation 20:7-9KJV
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

(Revelation) 16:12-14 & (Revelation) 20:7-8 Same Deception In Gathering The Nations To The Very Same Final Battle In "Parallel" Teachings Of The Same Event

(Revelation) 16:12-17KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

I have no problem with what you are saying and I have not claimed the fallen angels DO represent Gog and Magog… so put your gun back in your holster and recognize that I am pursuing this issue, hence, I posed this to the site.

Now, if Gog and Magog do represent nations and peoples who have rejected God, THEN, I see a problem - and that problem is they would seem to have to be resurrected 2 times and be destroyed 3 times….. which makes no sense at all, and God always makes sense!

And as I mentioned earlier, this does not seem to be addressed by a “retelling” of a passage in an earlier verse - say, chapter 16, because it is not found there and this 2 times resurrection of the dead in Christ doesn’t work ..

So, if you have something to add or consider- great!

 

[Galgal]

Well, I don't know all about that, but I can tell you the NT is not written for the Jews, all peoples must be Jews, the entire Christian church is destroyed..... I do remember a verse in the NT, saying there is no longer Jew or Greek, slave or........And I think I also remember a verse or two about the Good News being preached to the Gentiles.....


So, I will return to the verses in Ezekiel to see if they define the terms Gog and Magog...... but I am certainly confused how you could possibly interpret the Scriptures as you discribed above... but, everyone is entitiled to their own veiws...

But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. (Matthew 15:24)

This word remains in force. There are sheep of the house of Judah, the Jews, and there are sheep of the "lost tribes of Israel", who are Jews from within. The nations must cast out of themselves into Israel the tribes of the Northern Kingdom that they swallowed, this is the goal of Jesus Christ. The Kingdom of Heaven is a net that catches everyone, but the non-kosher will be thrown out, and the clean will be gathered in Israel.

 

[CTK]

But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. (Matthew 15:24)

This word remains in force. There are sheep of the house of Judah, the Jews, and there are sheep of the "lost tribes of Israel", who are Jews from within. The nations must cast out of themselves into Israel the tribes of the Northern Kingdom that they swallowed, this is the goal of Jesus Christ. The Kingdom of Heaven is a net that catches everyone, but the non-kosher will be thrown out, and the clean will be gathered in Israel.

Well, this is getting off the topic but you are correct, He was sent to the house of Israel - that is not in doubt, but within His plan of salvation, He also knew His people would reject Him. Thus, this was His plan to bring the Gentiles into salvation should they accept Him as their Lord and Savior --- and that applies to the Jews as well, since everyone one must decide if Jesus was the Messiah and went to the cross and was resurrected.... No Jew or Greek...Salvation will always have come through the Jews, but not in the way they expected.... Kosher or non-Kosher is of no consequence at all. It is all about placing one's faith and trust in the Messiah... we are all the same.

 

[grafted branch]

Who is God and Magog? If you find they represent those dead in Christ and have been resurrected, then they are destroyed by fire (20:7-9), and then Satan, who was also brought out of the abyss would be sent to the lake of fire and never heard of again.

And it that is true (which I believe represents "today's accepted interpretation," this will required these same folks to be resurrected once again to stand before the GWTJ where they will be sent to the lake of fire.

This means the dead in Christ would have to be resurrected twice and die 3 times.... I have alot of difficutly with this...

When I attempted to complete an outline of these events prior to preparing a narrative on this chapter, the sequence of events made no sense to me.....

The only way I can see these events happening without these multiple resurrections is if the definition of Gog and Magog do NOT represent those dead in Christ and were resurrected and destroyed by fire..... but they represent the fallen angels associated with Satan. Thus, they and Satan were brought out of the abyss, and the fallen angels (Gog and Magog) were destroyed by fire, Satan was thrown into the lake of fire never to be heard of again, and then the dead in Christ were resurrected to be present in the GWTJ..

Any thoughts?

When researching Gog and Magog there is a reference to Gog prior to Ezekiel and it isn’t easily found.

Numbers 24:7 (KJV) He shall pour the water out of his buckets, and his seed shall be in many waters, and his king shall be higher than Agag, and his kingdom shall be exalted.

Numbers 24:7 (LXX) There shall come a man out of his seed, and he shall rule over many nations; and the kingdom of Gog shall be exalted, and his kingdom shall be increased.

Agag and Gog are one and the same. Apparently there are some LXX manuscripts that use the word “Gogite” instead of “Agagite” in Esther 3:1 and Esther 9:24 (Lewis B. Paton, A Critical and Exegetical Commentary on the Book of Esther, page 194).

What this means is that Haman in the book of Esther could very well be the Gog that Ezekiel is referring to in Ezekiel 38 - 39, while the Revelation 20 Gog/Magog is in some way a repeat of a historical Gog/Magog event.

I don’t want to make a long post about how the book of Esther can show the fulfillment of Ezekiel 38-39 unless you’re interested in looking at that view, so if you have any questions on that let me know or you can also do a search on the internet and see all the details.

 

[Douggg]

The Gog/Magog nations of Ezekiel 38-39 are currently modern day muslim nations. .

Magog - Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan (former Soviet Union states)

Meshech - western Turkey
Gomer - northern Turkey
Tubal - eastern Turkey
Togarmah - south eastern Turkey

Persia - Iran

Ethiopia (Cush in some translations) - Sudan

Put - Libya

 

[Douggg]

@Truth7t7

In Ezekiel 39, following the Gog/Magog event are...

1. seven months to bury the dead of Gog's army.
2. seven years of burning the weapons instead of wood from the forests of Israel.
3. then another big battle in verses 17-20.
4. then Jesus returning to this earth in verses 21-29.

So, in the Revelation 20 text, what happens after the Revelation 20:8 event ? Any of those 4 things I listed from Ezekiel 39 ? If not, the Gog-Magog listing in Revelation 20:8 is not the Gog/Magog event of Ezekiel 38-39.

Revelation 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

 

[Douggg]

When researching Gog and Magog there is a reference to Gog prior to Ezekiel and it isn’t easily found.

Numbers 24:7 (KJV) He shall pour the water out of his buckets, and his seed shall be in many waters, and his king shall be higher than Agag, and his kingdom shall be exalted.

Numbers 24:7 (LXX) There shall come a man out of his seed, and he shall rule over many nations; and the kingdom of Gog shall be exalted, and his kingdom shall be increased.

Agag and Gog are one and the same. Apparently there are some LXX manuscripts that use the word “Gogite” instead of “Agagite” in Esther 3:1 and Esther 9:24 (Lewis B. Paton, A Critical and Exegetical Commentary on the Book of Esther, page 194).

What this means is that Haman in the book of Esther could very well be the Gog that Ezekiel is referring to in Ezekiel 38 - 39, while the Revelation 20 Gog/Magog is in some way a repeat of a historical Gog/Magog event.

I don’t want to make a long post about how the book of Esther can show the fulfillment of Ezekiel 38-39 unless you’re interested in looking at that view, so if you have any questions on that let me know or you can also do a search on the internet and see all the details.

Gog/Magog of Ezekiel 38-39 takes place "in the latter years" Ezekiel 38:8 and "in the latter days" Ezekiel 38:16.

 

[Truth7t7]

@Truth7t7

In Ezekiel 39, following the Gog/Magog event are...

1. seven months to bury the dead of Gog's army.
2. seven years of burning the weapons instead of wood from the forests of Israel.
3. then another big battle in verses 17-20.
4. then Jesus returning to this earth in verses 21-29.

So, in the Revelation 20 text, what happens after the Revelation 20:8 event ? Any of those 4 things I listed from Ezekiel 39 ? If not, the Gog-Magog listing in Revelation 20:8 is not the Gog/Magog event of Ezekiel 38-39.

Revelation 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

The battle seen in Ezekiel chapter 39 was fought "Long Ago" with wooden weapons Spears, Bows, Arrows, Shields, that were burnt in the fires of Israel thousands of years ago

Douggg the battle Gog/Magog is nothing more than the battle of Armageddon taught in a repeated parallel teaching

The battle below was fought long ago with wooden weapons of warfare

Ezekiel 39:9-10KJV
9 And they that dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the handstaves, and the spears, and they shall burn them with fire seven years:
10 So that they shall take no wood out of the field, neither cut down any out of the forests; for they shall burn the weapons with fire: and they shall spoil those that spoiled them, and rob those that robbed them, saith the Lord God.

Revelation 20:7-9KJV
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

(Revelation) 16:12-14 & (Revelation) 20:7-8 Same Deception In Gathering The Nations To The Very Same Final Battle In "Parallel" Teachings Of The Same Event

(Revelation) 16:12-17KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

 

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The battle seen in Ezekiel chapter 39 was fought "Long Ago" with wooden weapons Spears, Bows, Arrows, Shields, that were burnt in the fires of Israel thousands of years ago

Douggg the battle Gog/Magog is nothing more than the battle of Armageddon taught in a repeated parallel teaching

The battle below was fought long ago with wooden weapons of warfare

Ezekiel 39:9-10KJV
9 And they that dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the handstaves, and the spears, and they shall burn them with fire seven years:
10 So that they shall take no wood out of the field, neither cut down any out of the forests; for they shall burn the weapons with fire: and they shall spoil those that spoiled them, and rob those that robbed them, saith the Lord God.

Revelation 20:7-9KJV
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

(Revelation) 16:12-14 & (Revelation) 20:7-8 Same Deception In Gathering The Nations To The Very Same Final Battle In "Parallel" Teachings Of The Same Event

(Revelation) 16:12-17KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

There are no wooden weapons in Ezekiel.
Wood isn't mentioned at all.

 

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Satan Is Currently Bound For 1,000 Years Explained​

Satan is "Currently" bound from "One Specific Purpose", And One Only?

"Deceive The Nations" To Battle

The Non-Literal 1,000 Years (Revelation) 20:1-6 Are Taking Place Now In The Lords Spiritual, And Will Cease At The Future Second Coming

If A Tribulation Saint Were To Die One Day Before The Second Coming, He Enters Into The Non-Literal 1,000 Year Reign

Many That Promote Millennialism Falsely Teach, Satan Cant Be Presently Bound Because Evil Exist In The World?

Satan Is Presently Bound As Is Clearly Seen In (Revelation) 20:7-8 Below That Interprets (Deceive The Nations) Is To Battle, Not General Evil In The World Presently.

Satan Is Loosed At The End Of The Tribulation When The 6th Vial Is Poured Out As Seen In (Revelation) 16:12, The Deception Is Devils In False Miracles Going Forth To The Kings Of The Earth, To Gather Them To The Final Battle

(Revelation) 20:1-9KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

(Revelation) 16:12-14 & (Revelation) 20:7-8 Same Deception In Gathering The Nations To The Very Same Final Battle In "Parallel" Teachings Of The Same Event

(Revelation) 16:12-17KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

Nations have been battling for 1000s of years and are currently battling now.

It would be a lie for anyone to say there are no battling nations .

 

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Who is God and Magog? If you find they represent those dead in Christ and have been resurrected, then they are destroyed by fire (20:7-9), and then Satan, who was also brought out of the abyss would be sent to the lake of fire and never heard of again.

And it that is true (which I believe represents "today's accepted interpretation," this will required these same folks to be resurrected once again to stand before the GWTJ where they will be sent to the lake of fire.

This means the dead in Christ would have to be resurrected twice and die 3 times.... I have alot of difficutly with this...

When I attempted to complete an outline of these events prior to preparing a narrative on this chapter, the sequence of events made no sense to me.....

The only way I can see these events happening without these multiple resurrections is if the definition of Gog and Magog do NOT represent those dead in Christ and were resurrected and destroyed by fire..... but they represent the fallen angels associated with Satan. Thus, they and Satan were brought out of the abyss, and the fallen angels (Gog and Magog) were destroyed by fire, Satan was thrown into the lake of fire never to be heard of again, and then the dead in Christ were resurrected to be present in the GWTJ..

Any thoughts?

In simple translation Gog means "Mountain", and Magog means "Land of the Mountain."

The "Mountain" is God, and the land is the earth or world. Meaning, the war of Gog and Magog, is between God and this world. Which is waged by the "dividing of light from the darkness"--told from the beginning--in past tense.

 

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The only people resurected in revelation 20 are the saints who died for their testimony of Jesus.
They are 144000 of the tribes of Israel who are the first fruits of the ground.
These resurected saints do not suffer a second death.

Gog and the nations outside the promised land are mortals who invade the promised land after the 1000 years(Sabbath day).

These exact same events are in ezekiel 37-39.
Israel is resurected and Christ reigns in Ezekiel 37.
Gog and the nations invade in Ezekiel 38 and fire comes down from heaven and destroys Gog in Ezekiel 38 also.