Is the following your understanding of the body of sin?
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Close--he is wrong in wanting to say that the "sinful nature" is the inner person, because he doesn't realize that Paul's argument is the reason the Jewish believer is free from the Law is because they PHYSICALLY DIE ("you died to the Law through the body of Christ", "I've been crucified with Christ"). Paul is hinging his argument that they are "not under Law but under Grace" on the assumption that they have DIED.
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Remember the Law says defiled earthenware cannot be purged, but must be destroyed, whereas metallic vessels can be purged--the inner man can be purged, but the outer man, formed from the dust, must be destroyed.
@GodsGrace "The circumcision made without hands" refers to the anti-type to circumcision, the removal of the body of sin, which happened through dying with Christ--the death of the outward man, the body.
In post 1441 I linked to an article on the Body of Sin.
Below is an article on the Sin Nature.
Could you take the time to read it and then tell me the difference between the two?
There was a member on another forum and I think he believed as you do and we (those on the thread)
couldn't understand what he meant. He might have meant what you're talking about.
Do you think it's the same thing?
What do you think is the difference?
If you feel you don't want to take the time to do this...
OK - no worries.
What is the sin nature? | GotQuestions.org
What is the sin nature? What does it mean that we all have a sin nature?
www.gotquestions.org
1. I responded to the article, and why I disagreed, in #1442.In post 1441 I linked to an article on the Body of Sin.
Below is an article on the Sin Nature.
Could you take the time to read it and then tell me the difference between the two?
There was a member on another forum and I think he believed as you do and we (those on the thread)
couldn't understand what he meant. He might have meant what you're talking about.
Do you think it's the same thing?
What do you think is the difference?
If you feel you don't want to take the time to do this...
OK - no worries.
What is the sin nature? | GotQuestions.org
What is the sin nature? What does it mean that we all have a sin nature?www.gotquestions.org
2. The "Got Questions" article :
"We don’t lose our sin nature once we receive Christ. The Bible says that sin remains in us and that a struggle with that old nature will continue as long as we are in this world. Paul bemoaned his own personal struggle in Romans 7:15–25. But we have help in the battle—divine help. The Spirit of God takes up residence in each believer and supplies the power we need to overcome the pull of the sin nature within us. “No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God’s seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God” (1 John 3:9)."
a. The body of sin is the sin nature, and it is "brought to nothing" as we behold Christ, just as the serpents lost their power as the Israelites looked to the Bronze Serpent.
b. Romans 7 was Paul before Christ:
i. "when we WERE in the flesh" : past tense
ii. "in the flesh" : Christians are "not in the flesh but in the spirit" (8:9), so it doesn't describe Paul's Christian life
iii. In Ro 7, Paul couldn't do the good of the Law, because his flesh didn't possess any good wherewith he might do the good, but, as a Christian, because there is good "in Christ", and Paul is "in Christ", he keeps the Law (8:4)
iv. sin killed him : Paul was not killed by sin as a Christian
v. he was a captive : Paul as a Christian was not a captive but set free (8:2)
c. No one born of God makes a practice of sinning : John wrote against the Gnostics, and many of his statements there are specific to that discussion. The Gnostics thought the material world was made by an evil god, and was evil, so as long as they lived they would continue in gross sins, AND for that reason Jesus could never have been made flesh (because flesh is evil).
Hi GracePeace
I was just shutting down but did see your above post.
Sounds like you think it's the same:
Body of Sin
Sin Nature
Will reply tomorrow morning.
'night.
K
Yeah "body of sin", the outer man in which there is Sin's Law, should be the "sin nature" that was done away with when we died with Christ.
That other member kept saying that it's the flesh that sins.
I kept asking him WHY the flesh sins, but I couldn't get a straight answer.
(or I didn't understand him).
Maybe some things are just too nuanced....
I can correct your theology in a few short sentences, with Grammar, but it would be a futile exercise.
J.
That user is incorrect.
Sin is defined as "slavery".
Who is being "enslaved"?
The inward man. Spiritual slavery.
That's why our salvation was typed by the Jews' salvation from slavery.
Ours by the blood of the Lamb, theirs by the blood of lambs.
What happens is Sin in the outward man enslaves our inward man.
Once the person dies, the body can do nothing.
Sin works its works in the inward man, forces the spirit to do deeds.
One deed Paul mentions was coveting.
With his mind, he agreed with the Law against coveting.
Sin has its own Law, though, and works that Law in the inward man.
It warred against his inward man, producing works contrary to his mind.
It took him captive, and enslaved him. It killed him.
Through Christ, we are brought back to life and freed.
As a result of Adam's sin, we inherit tainted/defiled flesh.
Sin's Law is in the flesh, and Sin works its own works in our inward members before we are saved.
I like the fact that you've really studied this and understand it well.
This would get into the dicotomy or tricotomy of man but I don't know if you care to go there.
Just quick:
Man is made up of BODY, SOUL, SPIRIT.
The soul will affect the body.
The spirit affects the soul.
In the OT and the NT the soul is called THE HEART.
Once our spirit is made alive by being born again,,,
it then affects the soul which is our mind, will, emotions, etc.
However, we will not be totally sin-free until our death and when we will receive our glorified bodies that will be unable to sin.
Until our new birth....our soul is dead and is enslaved to satan (Romans 6:16)
After our new birth....our spirit will have an affect on our soul and it will be somewhat transformed....
Romans 12:1
I think that if we have a good grasp on this...
it helps us to understand our nature, sin, our spirit in Christ, etc.
So, to me, the "sin nature" is "the body of sin", "the outer man".
Labels are a problem. OSAS assumes life is a static pass or fail done at any point in life.
It is devoid of love, relationship or transformation of the heart and soul.
It only works in a safe caring society where insecurity dominates in peoples minds and their lives are simple and mundane.
Once you live in a sinful, chaotic society it is simply absurd and rubbish.
I would describe it as the biggest religious con trick, like splashing oneself with something and everything is ok.
Jesus condemned the religious leaders for attempting this with John the Baptist.
The immature think the reflection in the mirror is what counts, not realising though our bodies are fallen,
in Christ we can choose to love and train our emotions to respond appropriately, because we know our weaknesses
and strengths and can choose to respond appropriately though we hurt, are upset and do not understand, but know
the King of Kings and His love working through us to others through forgiveness.
God bless you
I used to think that way--and I really wish it were that simple--but I've seen FGTs with real grace (and many without it), so I have changed my mind.
I've seen it with FGTs--they tend to have no control or interest in controlling their behavior or words, but it's by no means a rule.
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