It’s not a matter of personal concern for me. I always ask honest questions not to pierce (πειράζω) but to test (δοκιμάζω), as 1 Thessalonians 5:21 advises: "But test everything; hold fast what is good." It seems you may lack the discernment to see that my questions were sincere. Thus, yes, I am disappointed.
OSAS : Gnostic Heresy
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Eternally Grateful
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Not really, A cult is a cult. call it what it is
It is a cult.
See, you walked right into it. You give credit to the church, not God.
See, I trust God would keep his word. and he has, inspite of the roman church and its many heresies
Eternally Grateful
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Eternally Grateful
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lol.. again, call a spade a spade. the catholic church is a cult.. It is the greatest cult in the history of mankind next to the jewish nation which was destroyed in 70 AD for the final time before it repents.
The catholic church is to the body of Christ as the pharisee and saducee religious system was to the elect of the OT.
Eternally Grateful
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They were still in adam, meaning they were still dead
Thats up to God..,
They were still dead.. In adam all die.
someone brought it up. Not me
Taken
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AGREED.
Some of these threads are head-lined as an intent to instigate a gas-lighting debate…
* In such…one saying belief IN OSAS…is false..
* Then “supposedly” the same claimant “dictating” an others beliefs…regarding broadening OSAS…to “include” what it does “not include…” (such as example…”as a free ticket to sin!” )
* Then “proposing” the other defend what they have NOT claimed.
Salvation IS a gift Offering from the Lord God….bought and paid for BY the Lord God…FOR Every man to TAKE, RECEIVE, POSSESS the Gift…..or IGNORE, REJECT, FORFEIT the GIFT….thus LOSE the Gift they could have HAD.
The Lord Gods GIFT of Salvation is not some wishy washy MINDFUL GIFT Offering to be toyed with AS IF…..(a three year old is being offered a gift from their daddy of a plate of oysters and the kids says mmm, I like that and takes a BITE and spits it out and says I don’t want that Gift…take it back.)
The Lord God OFFERS…His Word…any man can TAKE and RECEIVE His WORD…and Receive Gods GIFT of FAITH…FOR…”TASTING” His WORD….
and Absolutely that man CAN choose to REJECT Gods Word and SPIT Gods WORD out of his mouth…
That is called “Falling from faith”….
That is NOT called “having received Salvation and then LOSING Salvation”!
ONCE a man HAS RECEIVED the Lord Gods Gift of Salvation….It’s is a PERMANENT FOR EVER Gift that individual has Received.
An individual who freely Chooses to Receive Gods Gift of SALVATION….has Freely Chosen to GIVE HIS OWN BODILY LIFE UNTO DEATH in order to RECEIVE his Gift of Salvation…
REALLY….?? People who REJECT Salvation is a gift offering from God…God only gives to individuals ONCE…..is…
REALLY a fluke that men can bodily die giving their dead body to the Lord God….then “change their mind”….and resume living in their Dead Body? LOL
Itty bitty problem….The man giving his body unto death in order to receive his Gift of salvation has NOTHING whatsoever to DO with that mans “CARNAL MIND’S thoughts”….
God IS SPIRIT….Gods offering of a mans SOULS’ SALVATION is Spiritual.
Communication between a man and God IS spiritual….NOT MINDFULLY CARNAL.
Anti-OSAS….if you look closely is attempted to be argued from the others MINDFUL understanding….and corrupted fail on its face….regarding a Spiritual Event.
God Bless you.
Glory to God,
Taken
But he was RESPONSIBLE.
I'd say that's much worse.
Romans 5:12
Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned—
1 Corinthians 15:22
For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.
I would also remind you that God made the Edenic Covenant with Adam....not with Eve.
Taken
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What’s the issue here? Are you trying to go beyond the boundaries set by Scripture? Are you now shifting the blame back to Adam? You’re quoting texts about imputation, guilt, and Original Sin, but at the same time, you deny that this sin is inherent in infants? I don't see consistency in your biblical interpretation; instead, it seems more like an emotional appeal.
And no, baptism does not remove the stain of sin from infants—this is where I disagree with the Catholic Church.
Romans 5:12 (Lexham Bible):
"Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned."
Ezekiel 18:20 (Lexham Bible):
"The person who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son."
1 Peter 3:21 (Lexham Bible):
"Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ."
These scriptures emphasize the consequences of sin and the significance of baptism, but they don’t support the idea that baptism removes original sin from infants.
Rom 5:12 Therefore, just as through one Adam (one man, humanity, Adam), Chet (Sin) entered into the Olam Hazeh and, through Chet (Sin), entered Mavet (Death); and so Mavet (Death) passed through to kol B'nei Adam (all Mankind, all the sons of Adam), because all sinned.
Rom 5:13 For before (the epoch of) the Torah (Law), Chet (Sin, Chet Kadmon, original sin) was in HaOlam (HaZeh, the world). But Chet (Sin) is not accounted, recorded [to make charges for death penalties] in the absence of Torah [i.e., no Law, no violation, death penalty].
1Co 15:21 For als (since) through an Adam (Man) came mavet (Gn 2:17), also through an Adam (Man, Moshiach) came the Techiyas HaMesim.
1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die (Gn 3:19), so also in Moshiach all will be made alive.
1Co 15:23 But each one in his own order: the Bikkurim, Moshiach; afterward, the ones of Moshiach at the Bias HaMoshiach;
Rom 5:12
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I can push back-question is, can you take it?
this discussion should stop or you should start a new thread.
I NEVER even said infants HAVE original sin.
As to Adam...
YOU made the comment that it was Eve that was deceived.
I SAID.
That what ADAM did was what caused the fall of man....
NOT what Eve did.
I posted 2 verses to prove this...
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I also stated that God made the Edenic Covenant with Adam, not with Eve.
Only a pleasure-man! I'm drained with all the "missiles"-my helmet askew, lost my shield somewhere in the battle, slipped on my cobble shoe and in need of a helping paw.
Ever read Pilgrims Progress?
A Battle Unseen
In the shadows where the silence breathes,
A battle rages, though none perceives.
Not with swords or shields of old,
But in the heart where faith takes hold.
The night is dark, the whispers loud,
The enemy moves beneath the shroud.
He casts his doubts, he sows his fear,
But the warrior’s heart will not adhere.
Armor gleams, though not of steel,
But truth and righteousness reveal.
The shield of faith, unyielding, strong,
Deflects the lies that don't belong.
A sword is drawn, the Spirit’s word,
Sharper than any weapon heard.
It cuts through lies, reveals the light,
Dispelling darkness with its might.
The battle’s fierce, the wounds are deep,
But angels guard while soldiers sleep.
Prayers rise like incense sweet,
A cry for strength, a call to meet.
In this war, not flesh and bone,
But powers and forces unknown.
Yet victory is not of man,
But by the blood of the Lamb’s own hand.
Stand firm, O soldier, do not fear,
The Lord of Hosts is always near.
Though battles come, and storms assail,
In Christ alone, we shall prevail.
For every tear, for every pain,
There’s a crown of life to gain.
And when the final trumpet sounds,
We’ll rise in glory, heaven-bound.
So fight the fight, endure the race,
With eyes fixed on the Savior’s face.
For in this battle, though it’s long,
His strength will make the weak heart strong.
Shalom
Johann.
Eternally Grateful
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Yes
Because Adam knew what he did, He willfully sinned
Eve was decieved..
yet both were guilty..
Tag me if you have anything edifying to discuss-you and I have nothing in common but Churchianity-at the momento.
And now you read into the text in the Genesis narrative.
Fino ad allora!
Cara sorella, combatti con fede,
anche quando la notte è buia e fredda.
Nel cuore tuo la luce splende,
con forza e amore, il male si arrende.
Fino ad allora, mantieni la via,
che porta al cielo, alla pace e alla vita.
Le tempeste passeranno, il sole sorgerà,
e nel Signore, la vittoria sarà.
Non temere le ombre, né i giorni pesanti,
perché Dio è con te in ogni istante.
La Sua grazia ti copre, il Suo amore ti guida,
e con Lui, ogni paura svanisce, si dissipa.
Quindi, cara sorella, resta forte e sicura,
finché quel giorno splenderà, pieno di luce pura.
E fino ad allora, preghiamo unite,
finché il cielo ci accolga, anime benedette.
J.
Eternally Grateful
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Eternally Grateful
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How many millions did the roman catholic church kill. Not only as heretics, but babies of nuns who had to be born in secret?
I think that is far worse than anything that happened at johnstown
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