OSAS : Gnostic Heresy
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For what credit is it if you sin and are mistreated and endure it? But if you do good and suffer and so endure, this finds favor with God
1 Pe 2:20.
It's a journey Taken!
I see this with a religious mate of mine, he claimes OSAS !
But his angle is, that because he believes in a god ? of the Bible ? his own understanding ? or what he demands it says ? but he is a person who loves to Sin and does not care less what he does in reality, for he is coming from a BS! OSAS angle ! it's all Oh i believe ? but only because of that, that he wants or demands to others that he is Saved ! regardless ? because the price has been payed in full ?
So because he believes in a god ? then one is Saved = OSAS ?
But he does not have the Holy Spirit in fact and is only religious Bible peddling lines demanding type ? like them who came trying to twist words with Jesus so as to get him out of their hair ? or killed !
For he does not have Grace in fact !
He wants to kill people and believes that he can do so, regardless who he kills. he can kill anyone with no regard, child etc etc for no reason whatsoever, and he demands that he is going to Heaven, because of his understanding regarding OSAS !
Sould much like they who wanted to kill Jesus ?
Now he is just like Islam religion is based on fundamentalism a god that is god's of man, like a wild beast religious idiot with no understanding in regards the Holy Spirit in fact ! sure the have a spirit ? like Jezebel ! and others !
But when one is Saved you abide in Christ Jesus and you do as he ! Jesus never killed anyone ! Jesus pointed out who one is that does kill is of !
My mate rejects Christ Jesus, but he has another Jesus ! like the so called Jews peddle ? and such Jews are not worthy of God in fact ? he follows the Jews for Jesus Mob ! such are looking to another Jesus in fact, for they truly have no real regard for Christ Jesus that came 2000 years ago in fact, for if they truly did, then they would be Christians ! not Jews for Jesus ?
The Jews for Jesus Mob are a carnal religious Mob that do nor have Grace in fact !
for if one does have Grace ! then the fact is that only God gives you Grace in fact and it comes because of Christ Jesus ! for you know him and he knows you !
The Devil himself believes in God ! that's a fact ! and the Devil himself believes in Christ Jesus in fact ! because he was talking to him ? and Jesus pointed out the OT to the Devil and the Devil himself was totaly exposed !
So the Devil does regard the Bible in fact ! but the Devil him self does not abide in Christ Jesus ! nor does Christ Jesus abiden in the Devil in fact.
So the same with my mate ! for he is all about the 2ed coming ! for people who look only for the 2ed coming are Lost in fact, for why would one want to bring that about ? wishing Hellfire on everyone ! but are total outright cowards in thinking that they will be taken out ? and they themselves will not reap what they have sown for creating the Hellfire !
They will be burnt up for they have reaped what they have sown in fact ! that's God Law !
For if they were truly Saved then they would abide in Christ Jesus now and be fulfilled in the Holy Spirit, knowing that they are truly Saved OSAS.
Why would one push like hell for the Second Coming ? for if we are already Saved and you can not be truly Saved twice in fact, can you ! and if the Second Coming comes todays etc what does it matter, if we are Saved and if we get killed during the Hellfire ? we will be Saved and go to Heaven and if we come through the otherside of the Hellfire nothing has changed in us regarding Christ Jesus, for we were save before hand but on the other side after the Hellfire, all will be Saved in fact ! for all the deceptions and delusions will be exposed of this world ! but it will not be a easy time for anyone to live, because all will be flat on your arse, your ego will not exist for their only one task and that is to look to Christ Jesus and do his will ! Jesus will not be here in the flesh tho, nor did that have much regard when he came the first time in fact, for Jesus said the key is the Holy Spirit ! he is as is the Holy Spirit in fact and God are united as One in fact. all 3 exist and what of who reject the Holy Spirit, such is not forgiven ! for the Holy Spirit is the Key ?
No one can doubt the Holy Spirit ! as it was so in the begining. One may not believe in a God Man Jesus said or the Father ? for they could not get their head around that ? for they are carnal religious ! and the lights only truly come on when the Holy Spirit comes on you, then it all comes to light in fact.
There is a song called, I saw the Light by Johnny Cash ! i love that song, for it is so true.
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It's a foolish and unlearned question.
Firstly, who is to know if a person commits an unforgivable sin and not only blasphemes the HS put entirely walks away from Christ crucifying him once again?
It's ignorant questions like this which make OSAS an abhorrent doctrine!
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Only by your perspective.
The unforgivable sin was a specific sin committed by the Pharisees only. Today, no one commits that particular sin!!
It makes it an abhorrent doctrine because you don't understand Bible doctrines and its interpretations!!
Since you elected to evade my simple question I'll assume you don't know the answer.
Here's the answer....
Christ went to the cross to save His people from their sins (Matthew 1:21). How many sins....ALL. For "The wages of sin (singular) is death!!"
We read in John 10:26-30:
26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any [man] pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave [them] me, is greater than all; and no [man] is able to pluck [them] out of my Father’s hand.
30 I and [my] Father are one.
Seems to me with the passages above, God had confirmed the doctrine of Once Saved Always Saved!!!
To God Be The Glory
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BlessedPeace
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Yes.Yeah, I've actually been around folks before they say stuff like this and just to make a point... sometimes I'll play along.
And say stuff like, "After church, I'm going to go to the bar and get drunk!"
And then just dare them... double dawg dare them to say I should not do that, or that there is something wrong with doing that.
Cause if they do, then I throw their false doctrine right back at them and say ... "well, I'm saved anyway since all my future sins have already been forgiven ya know so it's all good!"
Or, if one really ants to raise the stakes, tell them, "I gotta leave church early because I've got to go meet up with my crack dealer to score some crack rock"
One can have some fun doing this to make the point that what they are saying is complete ignorance!
They normally say that one will lose some rewards if they live in sin and sound all alarmed about that as though in their view being a believer is all about them getting rewards like that's what it's all about.
Rewards.
Jesus came to get us to heaven.
Not to get us rewards....
!!
Jesus did not redeem our sins JunChosen.
He redeemed US.
Do you know what redeemed means?
You posted John 10:26-30.
You claim it proves one can never forfeit their salvation.
Where does it state this?
Eternally Grateful
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Where is his faith? FDid he repent?
I see no evidence he did either.
I am taken to this passage.
Jude 3 Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints. 4 For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into licentiousness' and deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ.
Sadly I feel very few have seen the light. Like you said, Gods true children have the HS. they abide. Not because they have to. But because they are.
OSAS is just a term, I am coming to hate the term, but at the same time, those fighting against the term, also fight against eternal security in CHRIST.
As you can see. someone said they have security as long as THEY do something..
The confusing part which saddens me, is how they they say they have security in Christ. when it is truly in themselves.
Its the opposite of your friend, who has no faith in God. and turns Gods grace into licentiousness (A license to sin) and thinks he will meet Jesus on God terms.
there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth from both sides.
Eternally Grateful
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People commit that sin all the time, we see it in here
Jesus told them they were in danger of comitting the unpardonable sin. which means they still had hope. their hope was not lost. I am sure a few of them repented (we know Saul did. and wrote half the NT)
Eternally Grateful
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It means to purchase. or to buy.
Jesus purchased us with his blood
Its odd he would purchase us then once we receive him, throw us back out like wasted trash.
He bought us with a price. I do nto think he plans on letting us get away, we are his cherished prize.
I printed it out and reread it.
Do you want to go over it sentence by sentence?
I'm willing.
He plainly stated that fellowship is lost NOT salvation.
Where in the NT did Jesus teach about fellowship???
Didn't He teach about salvation, being born again, getting into heaven?
The Prodigal Son was found AGAIN.
This means he was
FOUND
LOST
FOUND ...... AGAIN.
Luke 15
In Luke 8:13 we read that some BELIEVE FOR A WHILE.....
Now that's JESUS speaking....if you want to live your life in some
kind of delusion, I can't help that.
But could you at least not proclaim that we could LIVE A LIFE OF SIN
and still be saved....
OR
Could you post somewhere in the NT where this is taught?
Thanks.
1. I'm waiting for a reply from the other poster.
I know you know what redeem means.
2. Everything always goes back to OSAS.
Titus 2:14-15
14who gave Himself for us to redeem us from every lawless deed, and to purify for Himself a people for His own possession, zealous for good deeds.
15These things speak and exhort and reprove with all authority. Let no one disregard you.
Why would Paul write a letter SPECIFICALLY teaching a Godly life if it were not important?
Why would he say we should be zealous for good deeds if it's just simply that we WANT to do them?
Titus 1:16
16They profess to know God, but by their deeds they deny Him, being detestable and disobedient and worthless for any good deed.
Paul is speaking about UNBELIEVERS above.
It sounds like the type of person some members on here speak about but call them CHRISTIAN BELIEVERS.
Can't be both.
We're warned because we MUST behave as Jesus wants us to....
or we will fall out of grace.
2 Timothy 2:12
If we endure, we shall also reign with Him.
If we deny Him, He also will deny us.
Paul is stating that he endures for the sake of the chosen (us) that they may also OBTAIN SALVATION....
How...
By following what he said right after that
2 Timothy 2:12
OSAS is a gnostic heresy, as the OP has stated.
It is not biblical and never has been until the Reformation.
And works are a necessity for salvation.
Eternally Grateful
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Sure. feel free
He was correct.
The prodigal son NEVER stopped being the son. He still had his fathers blood in his veins, I am saddened you did not quite get the whole jist of the parable.
PS. I was a prodigal son for 5 years. I never stopped being the son. In fact, I was chastened quite often, and it was Gods chastening that brought me to my knees and back to him.
I left God because of something the church did to me, God never left me
BELIEVE
Believing is not the same as faith..
I am not the one who is delsusional my good friend.
WE CAN NOT LIVE A LIFE OF SIN.
Could you please at least confess that you are bearing false witness against me an apologize? It would be one thing if I had not told you this before. But I have told you multiple times, I have even posted the passages which proves what I said. so the fact you keep insisting I said something I have NEVER claimed.
I think I deserve at least an appology
all I can do is shake my head
here I will post this
1 John 2: 3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1 John 3:
4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. 5 And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. 6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.
7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.
lets review.
whoever sins (habitually, or lives in sin) has never known or seen God. they have never been saved
Whoever is born of God can not sin (habitually or live in sin) because they have been born of God..
once again, a child of God can not live in sin. you want to falsely accuse me again of saying I believe they can.. I will post this over and over until you repent.
You want to say others believe this, feel free. but never say I have said this again!!
No Jun.
You don't understand or maybe I don't and you could help me out here.
You posted John 10:26-30
You said that this proved salvation cannot be lost.
You said it proves OSAS.
Could you please show me WHERE in John 10:26-30
or Matthew 1:21
or anywhere in the NT where it's stated that it is not possible for a person to lose salvation.
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