Once Saved, Always Saved?

[Ferris Bueller]

And are you thinking that Nicodemas had been baptized by John, but Jesus was telling him that wasn't enough?

Yes!
Baptism into Moses and the law births a natural man, a slave to sin and one who does not inherit the blessing. You must be born again, from above, by the Spirit to see and enter into the kingdom.

 

[kcnalp]

No, you do not have to prove anything to me.
But since you are AGAINST the Lord Gods Gift of Salvation being Given ONCE and FOREVER kept unto that man, by the Power of God IN that man...

Perhaps you could elaborate on YOUR BELIEF...
DID you Receive Gods Gift of Salvation?
IF so, HOW/WHY did you Receive His Gift of Salvation?

A Satanic lie!

 

[kcnalp]

WHY are you making claims FOR other men, that they have a license to sin?

LOL, are you so naive to not know, natural born men ARE born in sin...
Natural birth, is not a license....LOL

OSAS is truly a license to sin. There must be a reason you are defending the OSAS license to sin.

 

[kcnalp]

Nope...
Many men, like yourself, claim BELIEF, Believe in this, Believe in that, Follow along in what they Believe, “THEN CHANGE THEIR MINDS”, and Believe something else.

Gods Gift of Salvation is not given a man, while a man is alive in his flesh, for what he BELIEVES in his mind. Who cares? The mind is naturally subject to change. You think God cares what your MIND thinks? Or what you say, by your Minds thoughts?

Pay attention to what God thinks of your Carnal Minds thoughts...

Rom 8:
[7] Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

You think God cares what CONFESSIONS you make to Him with your MINDS THOUGHTS....Newsflash...God does not Hear a sinful mans MINDS THOUGHTS CONFESSIONS OF ANYTHING!

You think MEN are impressed with your MINDS Thoughts Confessions?
Some men are impressed and fooled.
Other men KNOW Gods WAY, and are neither impressed or fooled.
And God Himself IS not fooled by a mans MINDFUL Confession of Belief.
As a matter of FACT...God EXPRESSLY REQUIRES a man HEARTS thoughts Confession of BELIEF, and then CHECKS “IF” a mans Confession IS or IS NOT, the mans HEARTS thoughts.

Nothing new, from OLD days to this...
Jer 17:
[10] I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.

Rom 10:
[9] That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Yep, you even quoted Rom 10:9.....yet made NO INFERENCE, NO DECLARATION, you believed IN YOUR HEART...

You give yourself away, AS IF, claiming belief is sufficient....when SCRIPTURE EXPRESSLY reveals “BELIEF in one’s HEART”....is the “IF” caveat, requirement.

Ya, your claims are suspect and are your accusations.

You forgot. OSAS is not in the Bible.

 

[kcnalp]

All scripture.

But it is obvious that you do not know that, nor know the truth, because my whole post was full of scripture...and you did not see it. His sheep hear His voice--but you do not. Your claim is without any authority.

So give us some OSAS Scripture. Don't have any?

 

[kcnalp]

Well, I guess he *IS* blind .....did anybody else see the clear Biblical Verse that I provide? Yeah, I thought so....Did you also note that he had no answer or any Scripture to refute the undeniable Truth contained in the verse?

AGAIN, no answer, no surprise ! ONLY personal attacks. Another confused , Bible- Ignorant “ Poor Student of the Word”...... God warns about these types .....He warns us to “ show yourself approved” lest we have to “ stand ashamed” .....kcnalp should be ashamed.....He is a “ poor student Of the Word”....proving it by his inability to refute a clear Bible Verse that a child could understand.....

No OSAS in Scripture!

 

[ScottA]

So give us some OSAS Scripture. Don't have any?

Well...better take them one at a time--you've let a hundred go by and now you mock.

But here's one:

My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand. John 10:29
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[kcnalp]

Well...better take them one at a time--you've let a hundred go by and now you mock.

But here's one:

My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand. John 10:29
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That doesn't say we can't forsake God! No OSAS in the Bible! OSASers are trying to convince each other!

 

[ScottA]

That doesn't say we can't forsake God!

You read it wrong-- It says "no one", not "we", --"no one."

 

[kcnalp]

You read it wrong-- It says "no one", not "we", --"no one."

I appreciate you saying I can never forsake God, but you have ZERO Scripture.

 

[Taken]

A Satanic lie!

you are AGAINST the Lord Gods Gift of Salvation being Given ONCE and FOREVER kept unto that man, by the Power of God IN that man...

No, not a lie. You are against the Lord Gods Gift of Salvation being GIVEN ONCE AND FOREVER. AND you repeatedly say so!
OWN IT!

 

[Taken]

OSAS is truly a license to sin. There must be a reason you are defending the OSAS license to sin.

I stand with the TRUTH.
I don’t say OSAS is a license to sin...<—- that is YOUR WORDS.
I don’t stand with YOUR WORDS.
YOUR WORDS are not the TRUTH.
The TRUTH IS GODS WORD! Duh!

Matt 28:
[20] Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I (“Jesus”) am with you (“me”) alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

John 14:
[17] Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye “I” know him; for he dwelleth with you “me”, and shall be in you “me.”


* It is CORRUPT MEN WHO contour up LIES and ATTEMPT to put THEIR LIES in another’s mouth, such AS YOU DO.
* It is CORRUPT MEN WHO REJECT Gods SALVATION “IN” a man “SAVES” that man “ONCE” and “FOREVER”, such AS YOU DO.

John 14:
[17] Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

It AFFECTS ME, not one iota, that YOU REJECT Gods “RECEIVED” Gift of SALVATION IS PERMANENT.
It AFFECTS ME, not one iota, that YOU PREACH “AGAINST” God’s Word, God’s Works, God’s Making, a man SAVED ONCE (IN Me), (IS IN ME), and FOREVER. (ALWAYS, EVEN TO THE END OF THE WORLD!)

YES! I will TRUST Gods WORD “OVER” your word, and your teaching, EVERY TIME!

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

You forgot. OSAS is not in the Bible.

Wisdom is not TAUGHT.
Wisdom is the quality of being Wise.
Christ IS the Wisdom. (1 Cor 1:24)
A man LACKING Wisdom Concerning Godly things, LACKS Christ “IN” him.

You have not revealed (by your fruit), that you have WISDOM IN YOU.

OSAS is an acronym, which stands for the words...
ONCE - which means “something has occurred ONE time”.
SAV-ED - which mean “the past tense of Salvation HAS occurred”.
ALWAYS - which means “Never ending”.
SAV-ED - which means “the Salvation that occurred shall NEVER cease”.

* Salvation IS Gods GIFT, He BOUGHT and Paid FOR......FOR EVERY MAN.
* Gods GIFTS are NOT forced upon ANY man.
* ANY MAN, “who” DESIRES to “HAVE” Gods GIFT....MUST Reach out and TAKE His GIFT.
* ONCE a man TAKES Gods Gift, that GIFT IS RECEIVED unto that man...
ALWAY, even unto the end of the world...!! (Matt 28:20)

God gave ALL of MANKIND the LESSON of Him GIVING the GIFT of ETERNAL LIFE......WAY BACK IN THE Scriptures regarding Adam IN the Garden of EDEN....and that Gods Provisions IS ONE THING....and a man TAKING is another thing!

YOUR LACK of wisdom and understanding, only affects YOU.

IF you studied the Scriptures, YOU should have DISCOVERED; Wisdom and Understanding of Godly things, IS ONLY by and through Gods Power “IN” a man, and that “POWER”, IS Christ. (1 Cor 1:24)

YOUR preaching AGAINST OSAS, is the essentially, YOUR preaching AGAINST Gods Word, Wisdom, Power.

A man is EXPRESSLY Made SAVED, by the BAPTISM of Gods Holy Spirit, ENTERING, “IN” a man.
Once Gods Spirit ENTERS “IN” a man, that man “IS” Forever and Alway “WITH” the Lord God Almighty...and Once and Forever the Lord God Almighty “IS” “WITH” that man.

* You give ZERO Scriptural references TO SUPPORT YOUR PREACHING OF Gods Holy Spirit Entering “IN” a man, and then “EXITING” that man.

I do NOT agree with YOUR preaching, YOUR words, and find you trying to stuff your words;

(@kcnalp ”OSAS is a license to sin” )

in an others mouth, juvenile and lame, and seen for what it is, juvenile and lame.

Scripture;
1 John 3:
[9] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Obviously you are not wise to the fact: Becoming Baptized WITH and IN the Holy Spirit; MAKES THE MAN BORN OF GOD, and FREES that man from the possibility of EVER AGAIN committing SIN!

 

[Taken]

That doesn't say we can't forsake God! No OSAS in the Bible! OSASers are trying to convince each other!

Of course YOU can Forsake God.
I said I knew NOT IF you were Sav-ED.
I heard your response, your claim. You said you BELIEVE.
So what? You can STOP Believing ANY TIME.

Your claim is COMPLETELY different than MY CLAIM.
MY CLAIM is “I AM CONVERTED IN Christ”.

BIG “SPECIFIC” DIFFERENCE.
“YOU BELIEVE”...that is by YOUR POWER IN YOU, to keep your Belief.
“I am CONVERTED IN CHRIST”...that is by GODS POWER IN ME, to keep my Belief.

Your power IN you, is up against, greater powers OF THIS WORLD...Evil spirits that cunningly can trick you and Wicked men who sit in governing power seats Dictating you must do this and that!!!
(OPEN your ears....men sitting in government positions, kings, presidents, governors, mayors, etc,. Dictating YOU MUST do this and that...Employers, Teachers, Scientists, Doctors, store clerks, on and on .... Dictating YOU MUST do this and that....and IF you REFUSE....negative consequences!!
Men can not work, travel, openly speak, buy, sell...!!! And may even be rounded up and forcibly in-prisoned!) Don’t believe it?
OPEN YOUR EYES! It is happening NOW, WORLD WIDE!

My power IN me, IS Gods POWER IN me, by which there IS NO power Greater than Gods POWER.

1 John 4:
[4] Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

 

[Taken]

I appreciate you saying I can never forsake God, but you have ZERO Scripture.

YOU are confused. NO one is speaking FOR YOU, or making claims FOR YOU.

 

[Taken]

That doesn't say we can't forsake God! No OSAS in the Bible! OSASers are trying to convince each other!

No.
Men who KNOW and UNDERSTAND and BELIEVE OSAS, are not trying to convince each other! They ARE ALEADY “in agreement” with each other!

They are “ALREADY” brothers “IN” Christ forever!

 

[praise_yeshua]

OSAS is truly a license to sin. There must be a reason you are defending the OSAS license to sin.

So you've ceased from sin?

 

[Taken]

So give us some OSAS Scripture. Don't have any?

Why?
You don’t recognize The UMPTEEN times you have been given Scripture that applies to a man Converted IN Christ, saved ONCE and forever.
The Spirit of God forever, always, with that man.
God will NEVER Leave that man.
That man is FOREVER with God.
You repeatedly DEFY the TRUTH.
Nothing whatsoever IS Greater or more POWERFUL than GOD’S SPIRIT “IN” a man, which is EXACTLY what KEEPS a “Baptized IN GODS SPIRIT SAVED and CONVERTED man “SAVED once and forever”!!!

Not complicated!

Believing is ONE thing...that a man does...and that man “feels good about himself”.
A man SAYING to other men, he believes is ONE thing....that men do....and other men “may believe that man is on the right path”.

A man “HEARTFULLY CONFESSING TO GOD” that he BELIEVES “IN HIS HEART”, IN God, IN Jesus IS the Christ.....is a completely DIFFERENT thing...
And gets a completely DIFFERENT response...FROM GOD....NOT men!
THAT “Response”, comes from God.
“THAT specific Confession of a man” gets Gods ATTENTION, FOR God to LOOK in that mans HEART, to see “IF” his Confession BE TRUE...
AND “IF” that mans HEARTFUL CONFESSION “IS” True...
* Gods Response “IS” to forgive that man FOR HAVING “HAD” Disbelief.
* Gods Response “IS” to forgive that man FOR HAVING corrupted his SOUL, being IN that mans CORRUPT flesh.
* Gods Response “IS” HIS WORKS of Baptism and Conversion;
*Restoring the mans soul...back to very good, Saving the Life in that soul, FOREVER WITH Gods Life.
*Circumcising the mans Heart...cutting off a mans OLD natural truth, and giving the man HIS Spirit of Truth.
*Quickening the mans spirit...from natural mans born seed, to spiritual, Born again of Gods Seed;
*Covering that mans sin...with Gods Light, that that mans sin be NO MORE seen or remembered, by God.
*Washing that mans body...with Jesus’ Blood, that that mans body be preserved Acceptable to be RISEN UP uncorrupted.
*Sanctifying that man WHOLLY, body, soul, spirit, Once and Forever that man IS SET APART WITH the Lord God ALMIGHTY.
*Justifying THAT a SAV-ED man TO BE “not APPOINTED to Wrath”, whereby men HAVE BEEN WARNED, Gods WRATH SHALL come down from Heaven UPON the whole Corrupt Earth, and Every Corrupt man ON, IN, UNDER the Earth.
* Justifying Every Man Saved, Converted, SHALL BE LIFTED UP, OFF the Face of the EARTH, DURING the DAYS of GREAT TRIBULATION upon the Earth....
* EXCEPT the 144,000 WHO ARE EXPRESSLY and VISIBLY SEALED unto God, WITH Gods SEAL in their foreheads, FOR ALL natural men TO SEE.

REALLY?
Your preaching is in Express Contradiction to Gods Word.
Your preaching WOULD REQUIRE “ALL OF GODS WORKS IN A MAN”, to become “UN-DONE”.
NO where does Scripture Teach...GODS WORKS of;
Restoration, Circumcising, Quickening, Covering, Washing, Sanctifying, Justifying, Saving, Rebirthing....ONCE accomplished IN A MAN.....
EVER becomes “undone”!!!

So why don’t you STOP preaching and name calling and accusing....
AND PROVE your claims......that ALL OF GODS WORKS ACCOMPLISHED “IN” A SAVED and CONVERTED MAN ..... CAN Become “UN-DONE”...!!

Get to getting...PROVE Gods WORKS IN A MAN, CAN become UN-DONE!

 

[Taken]

Well...better take them one at a time--you've let a hundred go by and now you mock.

But here's one:

My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand. John 10:29
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You are preaching to the deaf and blind....But being this is an OPEN FORUM,
CONTINUE....for the sake of others who may be Listening...and actually hear, and verify IN Scripture what IS the TRUTH.

A quick reference...
John 11:
38] Jesus therefore again groaning in himself cometh to the grave. It was a cave, and a stone lay upon it.
[39] Jesus said, Take ye away the stone. Martha, the sister of him that was dead, saith unto him, Lord, by this time he stinketh: for he hath been dead four days.
[40] Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
[41] Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me.
[42] And I (Jesus) knew that thou (Martha) hearest me (Jesus) always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me.
[43] And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth.

Notice the point...
Jesus’ knew Martha always HEARD Jesus.
(But, the note, Martha did not always BELIEVE Jesus, she doubted, until SHE SAW.)
And there were others standing by, who had NEVER HEARD Jesus, who thus NEVER Believed, who thus doubted, who WAITED TO SEE, before they would Believe....and Jesus WANTED THEM TO HEAR....BEFORE they SAW....BEFORE they BELIEVED....(Which goes back exactly regarding, Gods ORDER and WAY...is always, Hearing first, then believing, then seeing, where as mans order is SHOW ME, “then I will believe”...)

We can NOT make men Hear. We simply can SPEAK Gods Word. If a man HEARS IT, he can not UN-Hear it! IF a mans HEARING, sparks his interest, he can continue Hearing, he can go Verify what he HEARS according to Scripture, he can freely Believe it or not.
So KEEP Speaking Gods WORD....which is precisely Gods teaching...if a listener defies His Word....no worry...those standing by will also Hear, and they may be the precise person who will Believe, Verify, Trust, gain faith, and BECOME one of your Converted Brothers IN Christ.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[marks]

Yes!
Baptism into Moses and the law births a natural man, a slave to sin and one who does not inherit the blessing. You must be born again, from above, by the Spirit to see and enter into the kingdom.

Ok, then, you do, you have the strangest view of this I've ever heard.

I can't say I agree with you.

Much love!