DISPENSATIONALISM: The Two Gospels Error exposed

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Darby and Scofield popularised this theology. It's only been around since the 1800's.
I will show some of the error of this doctrine so that it can be eliminated for those who are good soil seeking the truth.

This doctrine claims Paul was first given the mystery of the gospel. A new gospel of grace through faith only and no obedience to obtain salvation. Supposedly a new gospel for the gentiles, the Jews had their own gospel and own apostle, Peter.

Paul never claimed that he was first given the "mystery".

Ephesians 3:3,
- as I (Paul) briefly wrote earlier, God Himself revealed His mystery to me...

Like most doctrinal error all one has to do is read the entire chapter not just taking one verse and making a doctrine out of it.

Ephesians 3:9,
- I(Paul) was chosen to explain to everyone this mystery plan that God the Creator of all things had kept secret from the beginning

Like Paul Harvey used to say: Now for the rest of the story...

Ephesians 3:3-5,
- as you read what I have written, you will understand my insight into this plan regarding Christ,
God did not reveal it to previous generations, but now by His Spirit He has revealed it to His holy APOSTLES and prophets

Notice Paul included all the apostles received the mystery.
All the apostles taught the ONE gospel of Jesus Christ.

Some would argue that the word now means later in the book this mystery was revealed to Paul alone and that he then taught it to the other apostles. No recording of this in the book of Acts. No one has shown me yet, I'm still waiting.

Same book Galatians Paul uses the word now again. This time its before chapter 3 and he proclaims that he now preaches the faith(gospel) he once tried to destroy.

What gospel did Paul try to destroy prior to his conversion to Christianity in Acts 9?
Answer: Peter's gospel in Acts 2-9.

Galatians 1:11; 23,
- but I certify you, brethren that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man

- but they had heard only that he which persecuted us in times past now preaches the faith he once tried to destroy

Paul says he is now preaching the gospel he tried to destroy in the past.
That's not a new gospel, that's the same gospel of all the apostles.

Dispensationalist try to claim the Jews in Acts 2 are not in the body of Christ, which is the church of Christ.
They claim that the church in Acts 2:47 is the old testament church of the Israelites known as the church in the wilderness.

Except the Apostle they claim to follow says the opposite,
Ephesians 3:6,
- and this is Gods plan both gentiles and jews who believe the good news share equally in the riches inherited by Gods children both are part of the same body...

The church in Acts 2 is also known as the body of Christ,
Acts 2:47 ; Colossians 1:18,
- praising God and having favor with all the people and the Lord added to the  church daily such as should be saved
- and Jesus is the Head of the body the church...

God did on pentecost in Acts 2 add the Jews to His church, the same church Paul says gentiles and jews are in.

But also,
Dispensationalist's claim that Peter's sermon on pentecost Acts 2 was not the same gospel as Paul later preached.
Not so,
Acts 2:21,
- and it shall come to pass that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved
Romans 10:13,
- for whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved


I've asked many dispensationalist churches to show with the Bible when Paul was given this supposed gospel of grace and no obedience for salvation?

Funny this group of churches cannot tell me when it occured. Some say somewhere in between Acts 2 and Acts 28!!!
That's not a very convincing argument.
Also others claim it began in Romans 10.

We should take Paul's advice and heed his warning,
Galatians 1:7,
- but though we(apostles) or an angel from heaven preach any other gospel unto you than that which we(apostles) have preached let him be accursed

Paul said there is only ONE gospel and I stand with Paul.
I hope you will also,

Ephesians 4:5,
- One Lord, One faith(gospel), One baptism
 
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Darby and Scofield popularised this theology. It's only been around since the 1800's.
I will show some of the error of this doctrine so that it can be eliminated for those who are good soil seeking the truth.

This doctrine claims Paul was first given the mystery of the gospel. A new gospel of grace through faith only and no obedience to obtain salvation. Supposedly a new gospel for the gentiles, the Jews had their own gospel and own apostle, Peter.

Paul never claimed that he was first given the "mystery".

Ephesians 3:3,
- as I (Paul) briefly wrote earlier, God Himself revealed His mystery to me...

Like most doctrinal error all one has to do is read the entire chapter not just taking one verse and making a doctrine out of it.

Ephesians 3:9,
- I(Paul) was chosen to explain to everyone this mystery plan that God the Creator of all things had kept secret from the beginning

Like Paul Harvey used to say: Now for the rest of the story...

Ephesians 3:3-5,
- as you read what I have written, you will understand my insight into this plan regarding Christ,
God did not reveal it to previous generations, but now by His Spirit He has revealed it to His holy APOSTLES and prophets

Notice Paul included all the apostles received the mystery.
All the apostles taught the ONE gospel of Jesus Christ.

Some would argue that the word now means later in the book this mystery was revealed to Paul alone and that he then taught it to the other apostles. No recording of this in the book of Acts. No one has shown me yet, I'm still waiting.

Same book Galatians Paul uses the word now again. This time its before chapter 3 and he proclaims that he now preaches the faith(gospel) he once tried to destroy.

What gospel did Paul try to destroy prior to his conversion to Christianity in Acts 9?
Answer: Peter's gospel in Acts 2-9.

Galatians 1:11; 23,
- but I certify you, brethren that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man

- but they had heard only that he which persecuted us in times past now preaches the faith he once tried to destroy

Paul says he is now preaching the gospel he tried to destroy in the past.
That's not a new gospel, that's the same gospel of all the apostles.

Dispensationalist try to claim the Jews in Acts 2 are not in the body of Christ, which is the church of Christ.
They claim that the church in Acts 2:47 is the old testament church of the Israelites known as the church in the wilderness.

Except the Apostle they claim to follow says the opposite,
Ephesians 3:6,
- and this is Gods plan both gentiles and jews who believe the good news share equally in the riches inherited by Gods children both are part of the same body...

The church in Acts 2 is also known as the body of Christ,
Acts 2:47 ; Colossians 1:18,
- praising God and having favor with all the people and the Lord added to the  church daily such as should be saved
- and Jesus is the Head of the body the church...

God did on pentecost in Acts 2 add the Jews to His church, the same church Paul says gentiles and jews are in.

But also,
Dispensationalist's claim that Peter's sermon on pentecost Acts 2 was not the same gospel as Paul later preached.
Not so,
Acts 2:21,
- and it shall come to pass that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved
Romans 10:13,
- for whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved


I've asked many dispensationalist churches to show with the Bible when Paul was given this supposed gospel of grace and no obedience for salvation?

Funny this group of churches cannot tell me when it occured. Some say somewhere in between Acts 2 and Acts 28!!!
That's not a very convincing argument.
Also others claim it began in Romans 10.

We should take Paul's advice and heed his warning,
Galatians 1:7,
- but though we(apostles) or an angel from heaven preach any other gospel unto you than that which we(apostles) have preached let him be accursed

Paul said there is only ONE gospel and I stand with Paul.
I hope you will also,

Ephesians 4:5,
- One Lord, One faith(gospel), One baptism
Well as I am a staunch hard core dispensationalist, I have never heard this concept of two different gospels of Salvation. I know the content of teh gospel Paul preached to teh gentiles has many differences than Peter and Paul preached to teh Jews. that is because Gentiles were not familiar with the Mosaic covenant and the Law. But the source of salvation was the same in both. Trust in teh death, burial and physical resurrection of Jesus for our sin debt.

As for different gospels. Well Paul himself said , he preached several gospels(euangelizo) which simply means good news. Now we have segragated the gospel of salvation as the only good news preached, but it was not. we understand teh gospel as Jesus' shed blood and death and resurrection for us. Nothing wrong with that. But there was also other "euangelizo" Paul preached about.
 

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As for different gospels. Well Paul himself said , he preached several gospels(euangelizo) which simply means good news. Now we have segragated the gospel of salvation as the only good news preached, but it was not.
Paul said he only preached one as there is only one,
Ephesians 4:5,
- One Lord, One faith, One baptism
 

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Paul said he only preached one as there is only one,
Ephesians 4:5,
- One Lord, One faith, One baptism
You are confusing things. Gospel in the generic definition is good news and Paul spoke of many good news.

Gospel in the formal sense we know- there is only one, that Jesus died, was buried and rose from the dead according to the SCriptures for our sins and justification.

But Paul spoke of the good news (euvanlizo, gospel) of grace, of salvation, of inheritance.

Rom 10:15
And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

Act 20:24
But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.

Rom 1:1
Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,

Rom 1:9
For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his Son, that without ceasing I make mention of you always in my prayers;

Now all these differing definitions of the EUVANGELIZO or gospel are fully connected to the gospel of salvation- they are merely different aspects of the benefits of what we call THE GOSPEL.
 

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You are confusing things. Gospel in the generic definition is good news and Paul spoke of many good news.

Gospel in the formal sense we know- there is only one, that Jesus died, was buried and rose from the dead according to the SCriptures for our sins and justification.

But Paul spoke of the good news (euvanlizo, gospel) of grace, of salvation, of inheritance.

Rom 10:15
And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

Act 20:24
But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.

Rom 1:1
Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,

Rom 1:9
For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his Son, that without ceasing I make mention of you always in my prayers;

Now all these differing definitions of the EUVANGELIZO or gospel are fully connected to the gospel of salvation- they are merely different aspects of the benefits of what we call THE GOSPEL.
Paul taught one gospel according to Paul.
This one gospel includes all that Paul spoke of it.

Peter did not preach a different way to salvation than Paul.
 

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Paul taught one gospel according to Paul.
This one gospel includes all that Paul spoke of it.

Peter did not preach a different way to salvation than Paul.
No Peter did not. But He used different methods to explain to the Jews than Paul did to the gentiles to preach Jesus.

Well all things are connected to the gospel, but Paul himself spoke of the gospel of grace etc. this is all I am saying. It is not another gospel for salvation, but focusing on different things God does for us as "good news" euangelizo, or gospel.