Once Saved, Always Saved?
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No Scripture? I have LOTS of Scripture.
John 15:1-2 (NKJV)
1 "I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser.
2 Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away;
Taken
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Your truth is what you say, what you apply to yourself.
All Scripture is True.
Individuals pick and choose which Scriptures apply to them, according to their beliefs.
I don’t know IF you believe you are Saved, don’t recall you saying so.
You have said: “OSAS is Satanic, is Bogus.”
I interpret your truth to be:
Salvation Given ONCE is False.
Salvation Given ONCE is of Satan.
I Trust to Believe Scripture Teaches Salvation is a Gift from God, and His Gift is Given men WHO heartfully Confess their Belief IN God and Belief IN Jesus IS the Christ.
I Trust to Believe God IS Faithful to Give His Gift to men, Once and Forever, AFTER a man HAS (according to Gods WAY), “heartfully Confessed their Belief IN God and Belief IN Jesus IS the Christ”.
No, I did not say “YOU” could ever become “UNSAVED”. I have no knowledge that “YOU ARE” Saved.
Implying that I'm not saved because I don't swallow the OSAS hoax! That's what OSASers do ALL THE TIME!
What’s with you ? Are you blind? Over the months, I have put forth many Scriptures that prove that you are seriously confused and that you are a poor “Student Of the Word” and you never respond....why is this the case? It’s simple—- you can’t ! Don’t get your panties in a knot—- nobody else can argue against this “ SATANIC” verse from Jesus Himself, as He was the One to tell Paul to include it in His Holy Spirit inspired writings....
“ He will keep you strong to the end , so that you will be blameless on the Day Of our Lord Jesus Christ. God, who has called you into fellowship with His Son Jesus Christ our Lord , is faithful”
Please, just for once.... shut up about everything else....stop your insipid accusations of me never providing Scripture.....just respond to this one verse ( I got more if you think that you can handle them) show an On-looking world how you can twist and squirm your way out of “ this” one....and let me repeat—- I got more.....
AGAIN, no Scripture, no surprise! ONLY personal attacks. OSASers are trying to convince themselves of OSAS. NO OTHER REASON!
Taken
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Works and Service are two DIFFERENT things.
Men can perform a Service.
Men can perform a Works.
Men are Judged on their Performances.
God keeps Records of mens Performances.
Gods Records are called Books.
Gods Books of Records are Evidence.
Men are Judged according to Gods Books of Evidence.
On Judgement Day, Every individual is Judged.
Per an Individual, the Individual’s Name is Located in Gods Books.
Where the mans NAME appears, so also IS the Evidence that APPLIES to that Individual.
Gods BOOK OF LIFE, Begins with an Entry of Every mans NAME Ever Naturally Born upon this Earth.
* Some mens NAMES shall REMAIN in THAT BOOK to the day of Judgement.
* Some mens NAMES will have been BLOTTED out, and NOT Appear.
The Evidence in THAT BOOK, thus will Reveal, WHICH men remained WITH God, and WHICH men rejected God.
* WORKS, is what a man DOES, to KEEP his NAME from becoming BLOTTED OUT, from THAT BOOK.
The LAMBS BOOK OF LIFE, Begins VOID of NAMES.
* Some mens NAMES shall BECOME ENTERED into THAT BOOK.
* Some mens NAMES shall NOT BECOME ENTERED into THAT BOOK.
A mans who NAME IS ENTERED into THAT BOOK, CAN NEVER become BLOTTED OUT.
* SERVICE, is what a man DOES, to CAUSE his NAME to Become ENTERED INTO, THAT BOOK.
* WORKS, is what a man DOES, to KEEP his NAME in Gods Book of Life.
...and those WORKS ARE: Believing, Obedience to Gods Law, Sharing Gods Word.
* SERVICE, is what a man DOES, to HAVE his NAME ENTERED IN the Lambs Book of Life.
...and that SERVICE IS: Heartful Confession of Belief IN God and Jesus, the Lamb of God, IS the Christ.
* JUDGEMENT IS PER what is revealed in or not revealed IN THE BOOKS.
* A mans NAME in Gods BOOK of Life...
Will reveal his WORKS. IF any of his WORKS “glorified” God, he shall receive a REWARD, for those WORKS.
IF at some point, that man then Rejected God, his Name is blotted out.
* A mans NAME in the Lambs BOOK of Life...
Will reveal his SERVICE. A SERVICE IS accepting belief AND heartfully confessing belief, that they heartfully believe IN God, and IN Jesus IS the Christ. Thereafter WORKS that they DO to Glorify God, shall be WORKS God shall give them REWARDS for those WORKS.
* OT men began without a DIVISION.
* OT men became DIVIDED; Hebrews and Gentiles.
* The Hebrews Became UNDER the LAW, as given BY God.
* The Gentiles Became UNDER the LAW, as given BY Men.
* NT men is a MIX of Hebrews, aka ISRAEL, and GENTILES.
* ISRAEL being introduced to Jesus IS the Christ.
* GENTILES being introduced to the God of Israel and Jesus IS the Christ.
* ISRAEL’s OT Law and Christ Jesus their Messiah prophetic revealing...
....A MIX, NEWS, learning something new, bit by bit, as word spread, and individuals heard, and individuals deciding if that be TRUE or not....Keeping their OLD LAW, while learning the NEW, and accepting or rejecting the NEW.
* GENTILES not under OT Law, were curious, and more ACCEPTING of the NEW.
* And 2,000 years later, we discover...Gods PLAN in Fruition.
....Israel (12 Tribes scattered), all being called JEWS, Some clinging to the OLD LAW, Some ignoring God, Most rejecting Jesus is the Christ Messiah.
...And many Gentiles, trusting Jesus is the Christ, and the Jewish God, is accepted as many Gentiles God.
* Gods Plan, Allowed the Jews to be blinded, Jealous of Gentiles acceptance of God and Jesus the Christ Messiah....MAKING WAY, for Gentiles INCLUSION, in opportunity to BE WITH God,
YOU sir, Repeatedly reveal via implication, ACCEPTING Jesus is the Christ Savior....IS according to YOUR TERMS.
AS IF, Gods GIFT of SALVATION is some insignificant flimsy Gift, tossed to and fro.
AS IF, men can TAKE His GIFT, and then throw it BACK to the Lord as trash from Satan.
I vehemently disagree with such a perspective.
Gods GIFT of Salvation IS not given a man “FOR WORKS”.
Gods GIFT of Salvation IS given a man “FOR a mans SERVICE”.
AND that “SERVICE” IS expressly;
HEARTFULLY Confessing BELIEF, IN God and IN Jesus IS the Christ Messiah.
AND ONCE a man MAKES such a HEARTFUL CONFESSION;
The Lord God Himself; does the WORKS to MAKE that man a NEW man.
That mans NAME, will NEVER be blotted out of Gods BOOK of Life.
That mans NAME, will be ENTERED into the LAMBS BOOK of Life, NEVER subject to being Blotted out.
That man SHALL FOREVER be made Changed, and FOREVER shall be “WITH” the Lord God Almighty.
That man SHALL NEVER be subject to Gods WRATH.
SHOULD That man BE alive in his FLESH, on the DAY, God rains Down from Heaven, His WRATH UPON the Earth and it’s OCCUPANTS, Such a SAVED MAN IN Christ, SHALL be raised UP off the face of the EARTH, to the CLOUDS, as was Noah SAVED and raised UP off the face of the EARTH, the FIRST TIME, Gods Wrath rained down from Heaven upon the EARTH and it’s occupants.
God OFFERS SALVATION, same as ADAM was OFFERED the TREE OF LIFE, from which to EAT.
Some men TAKE Gods OFFERING of SALVATION, and EAT, and shall LIFE forever WITH GOD.
Some men REJECT Gods OFFERING, as DID ADAM, and LIKE ADAM, must endure BELIEVING, by their own power, to the day of their physical death, in HOPE to be saved....WHEN they physically die.
* I TRUST the Word of God...that this world is FULL of cunning evil spirits, and FULL of deceiving wicked men....and that spirits are MORE powerful than myself, and that wicked men sit in governing seats of power dictating and forcing deceiving requirements upon me.....that my power pales Compared to Cunning evil spirits and Deceiving wicked men....OF this world.
** AND THAT “ONLY” Gods POWER, “with” me AND “in” me KEEPS ME, of assured FOREVER PROTECTION, “WITH GOD FOREVER”, and “WITHOUT” possibility of becoming in the snare of evil spirits or wicked mens, deceiving plots to sway me AWAY from the Lord God Almighty.
IF you DO NOT BELIEVE, evil spirits and wicked men OF this World are not constantly Plotting to deceive ... Open your eyes, Open your ears, tune in to the 24-7 propaganda pseudo news stations, and HEAR who “IS” promoted as the WORLD’s “savior” and “safety maker and keeper” !!!...
It isn’t the Lord God Almighty!
Taken
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@kcnalp
Rom 6:
[10] For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
How many times is a man required to become Crucified with Jesus?
According to you...?
Eph 5:
[3] But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
How many times does a man become made a saint?
According to you...?
Heb 6
[4] For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
How many times were you enlightened, hearing the Word of God, believing the Word of God, TASTING the Blessing of Gods Spirit, then rejected believing in God?
According to you...?
Heb 7:
[27] Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.
How many times did Jesus offer His body unto death?
How many times is a man required to offer His body unto death?
According to you...?
Heb 10:
[10] By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
How many times did Jesus offer His body unto death?
How many times is a man required to offer His body unto death?
According to you...?
1 Pet 3:
[18] For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
How many times DID Christ suffer for your sins?
How many times were you put to death in the flesh?
How many times were you Quickened by the Spirit of God?
According to you...?
IF MORE THAN ONCE....please explain HOW / WHY the Lord Gods “QUICKENING” Failed in you, as IF ONCE was not sufficient.
Rom 6:
[10] For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
How many times is a man required to become Crucified with Jesus?
According to you...?
Eph 5:
[3] But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
How many times does a man become made a saint?
According to you...?
Heb 6
[4] For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
How many times were you enlightened, hearing the Word of God, believing the Word of God, TASTING the Blessing of Gods Spirit, then rejected believing in God?
According to you...?
Heb 7:
[27] Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.
How many times did Jesus offer His body unto death?
How many times is a man required to offer His body unto death?
According to you...?
Heb 10:
[10] By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
How many times did Jesus offer His body unto death?
How many times is a man required to offer His body unto death?
According to you...?
1 Pet 3:
[18] For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
How many times DID Christ suffer for your sins?
How many times were you put to death in the flesh?
How many times were you Quickened by the Spirit of God?
According to you...?
IF MORE THAN ONCE....please explain HOW / WHY the Lord Gods “QUICKENING” Failed in you, as IF ONCE was not sufficient.
Taken
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@kcnalp
Gods BookS, ie more that ONE BOOK.
Rev 20:
[12] And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
The Book of Life.
Rev 3:
[5] He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
The Lambs Book of Life.
Rev 21:
[27] And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
Work that glorify God are rewarded.
Matt 16:
[27] For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
Works that do not glorify God, shall be burned.
A man will lose out on receiving a reward, if he has works that shall be burned.
Rewarded works, Burned works, DO NOT affect a mans SERVICE of receiving SALVATION. Salvation is via Service, not works.
1 Cor 3:
[15] If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
A man Reasonable Acceptable Service, is becoming Converted IN Christ...which IS one freely giving their flesh body as a living sacrifice unto death.
How many times did you give your flesh body as a living sacrifice unto death?
According to you?
Rom 12:
[1] I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
Can you answer?
What is YOUR teaching?
How many times does a man have to heartfully Confess BEFORE the Lord WILL change that man?
How many times WILL the Lord Change a man?
How many times CAN a man Power UNDO the Lords Powerful Works in a man?
I can NOT FIND ONE Scriptural teaching, of a MANS power being Greater than the Lords Power in a man.
Gods BookS, ie more that ONE BOOK.
Rev 20:
[12] And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
The Book of Life.
Rev 3:
[5] He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
The Lambs Book of Life.
Rev 21:
[27] And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
Work that glorify God are rewarded.
Matt 16:
[27] For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
Works that do not glorify God, shall be burned.
A man will lose out on receiving a reward, if he has works that shall be burned.
Rewarded works, Burned works, DO NOT affect a mans SERVICE of receiving SALVATION. Salvation is via Service, not works.
1 Cor 3:
[15] If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
A man Reasonable Acceptable Service, is becoming Converted IN Christ...which IS one freely giving their flesh body as a living sacrifice unto death.
How many times did you give your flesh body as a living sacrifice unto death?
According to you?
Rom 12:
[1] I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
Can you answer?
What is YOUR teaching?
How many times does a man have to heartfully Confess BEFORE the Lord WILL change that man?
How many times WILL the Lord Change a man?
How many times CAN a man Power UNDO the Lords Powerful Works in a man?
I can NOT FIND ONE Scriptural teaching, of a MANS power being Greater than the Lords Power in a man.
Taken
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I did NOT, imply you were NOT SAVED.
I did NOT say you were NOT SAVED.
I said I have NEVER SEEN you confess your ARE SAVED.
And what you do ALL THE TIME, is pretend what is NOT SAID, is a sufficient basis to make accusations!
You are the one who claimed, I SAID you could never lose your salvation...
No I did not say that....YOU DID.
I SAID men IN Christ, can never lose THEIR salvation.
I never said that APPLIED to you!
I HAVE said that DOES APPLY to me...because I SPEAK for MYSELF!
I could care less, IF YOU BELIEVE the Lord God is wishy washy, ignorant, easily fooled, unknowing, and Repeatedly doles out His Gift of Salvation to men that are wishy washing, believing, rejecting, and REPEATEDLY taking His Gift and then tossing it away....taking His Gift, tossing it away....taking His Gift and then tossing it away.....
That notion is laughable on its face....AS IF...lol!!
Lifelong_sinner
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I cannot for the life of me figure out you arminians. So let me see if i understand yalls position that OSAS is false. So lets say God calls me, i respond, i’m saved. Now God isnt gonna just take that gift of salvation back for no reason, so the only reason He would take it back is because i had sinned. So now, i gotta repent and get saved again?? Every time i sin??
i’ll be 50 this year. So lets assume i’ll live to be 80. That means that on average, i gotta repent daily and get re-saved daily. So over the next 30 yrs i gotta get Re-saved daily, and theres 356 days in a yr times 30 yrs. That means i gotta get saved 10,680 times. Nothing about that makes sense.
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i’ll be 50 this year. So lets assume i’ll live to be 80. That means that on average, i gotta repent daily and get re-saved daily. So over the next 30 yrs i gotta get Re-saved daily, and theres 356 days in a yr times 30 yrs. That means i gotta get saved 10,680 times. Nothing about that makes sense.
:::"life long sinner"? Yep, thats the OSAS license to sin.I cannot for the life of me figure out you arminians. So let me see if i understand yalls position that OSAS is false. So lets say God calls me, i respond, i’m saved. Now God isnt gonna just take that gift of salvation back for no reason, so the only reason He would take it back is because i had sinned. So now, i gotta repent and get saved again?? Every time i sin??
i’ll be 50 this year. So lets assume i’ll live to be 80. That means that on average, i gotta repent daily and get re-saved daily. So over the next 30 yrs i gotta get Re-saved daily, and theres 356 days in a yr times 30 yrs. That means i gotta get saved 10,680 times. Nothing about that makes sense.
Well let me say it again, as I have several times. I believe in Jesus my Savior, God of the Bible. I believe in His Blood atonement. I believe the Bible is the written Word of God. I don't have to prove anything to OSASers, "Judges" of non OSASers!
Taken
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@BloodBought 1953
Some people ...
Seriously require a Toddler Bible that reveals elementary terms and elementary examples they can grasp.Having a relationship as friends with a slew of girls, is one thing.
Making a commitment to ONE girl is an other thing...Exclusive.
Having a relationship “WITH” God is one thing.
Having a COMMITTED Relationship “WITH” and “IN” God is another thing.
Men can be “WITH” God, leave being “WITH” God, return being “WITH” God...
And WHEN a man is “WITH” God...God is also “WITH” that man.
And WHEN a man is “WITHOUT” God...God is also “WITHOUT” that man.
That is shown repeatedly in the OT...”with” God, “without” God.
ONCE JESUS arrived.....Option to be “WITH” God, or “WITHOUT” God didn’t change...WHAT DID CHANGE, was A NEW “offering”...
THAT NEW OFFERING; Was opportunity to BE...”IN” Gods Spirit and Gods Spirit “IN” a man, as LONG as that man AGREED and ACCEPTED that Offering, According to Gods WAY of Acceptance!
Some people...
apparently, either DO NOT KNOW, what “according to Gods WAY means”.... or simply fail to consider Gods WAY is significant.... and put themselves in a position of elementary tactics of blurting out accusations as being sufficient means to imply their accusations have standing.When one says...the Lord Gods gift of Salvation given a man once and forever is “SATANIC”.... on it’s face is such a ridiculous notion. The Lord Gods Salvation, and His Giving His Gift of Salvation to a man....has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with Satan!
TO even hear someone make such ridiculous statements, causes suspicion of his standing.
Very weird!
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Taken
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No, you do not have to prove anything to me.
But since you are AGAINST the Lord Gods Gift of Salvation being Given ONCE and FOREVER kept unto that man, by the Power of God IN that man...
Perhaps you could elaborate on YOUR BELIEF...
DID you Receive Gods Gift of Salvation?
IF so, HOW/WHY did you Receive His Gift of Salvation?
Taken
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WHY are you making claims FOR other men, that they have a license to sin?
LOL, are you so naive to not know, natural born men ARE born in sin...
Natural birth, is not a license....LOL
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