Not ALL the physically dead are raised at the same time, the dead in Christ rise FIRST.

[CadyandZoe]

You're just trying to distract from the fact that Peter described the "holy nation" and "royal priesthood" he was talking about as a spiritual house with Jesus Christ as its cornerstone which is an obvious description of the church.

I see no evidence that Peter was speaking allegorically.

Anything that is applied to Jewish Christians applies to Gentile Christians as well as we are all one in Christ Jesus and there is no difference between the Jew and Gentile in the church (Gal 3:26-29, Romans 10:12, etc.).

No that isn't true just as French Christians have a different history than German Christians; Jewish Christians have a different history than Gentile Christians.

Gentile Christians are fellow citizens and fellow heirs with Jewish Christians.

That was never in dispute.

Your attempts to separate what Jesus put together as one have failed.

I did not separate what Jesus put together. I simply acknowledge what the Bible records concerning the Jewish people. THEY are the only chosen race.

You tell me since you're the one misunderstanding this. It's clearly hopeless that you will understand it any time soon since you are completely lacking in discernment.

This line of insults reveals that you wish to stubbornly refuse to acknowledge the facts even though you know I am right.

 

[CadyandZoe]

I concur with Strong.

Strong's gives several choices for a definition. You chose the wrong definition.

Do you understand "lively stones" now?

No. Do they become lively when they get excited?

 

[covenantee]

Strong's gives several choices for a definition. You chose the wrong definition.

Not for 1 Peter 1:1, he doesn't. Learn to read.

No. Do they become lively when they get excited?

Are you alive when you're lively (presuming you are)?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I see no evidence that Peter was speaking allegorically.

What do you mean? You think he was talking about a literal spiritual house built with literal stones with Jesus literally as its cornerstone?

I did not separate what Jesus put together.

You are trying to. And you are failing because scripture is the truth and your beliefs are a lie.

This line of insults reveals that you wish to stubbornly refuse to acknowledge the facts even though you know I am right.

That's a funny way of determining the truth. You are clearly wrong, as anyone with any discernment knows.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Not for 1 Peter 1:1, he doesn't. Learn to read.

Peter is speaking literally about the Jewish diaspora. There is no evidence that he is speaking figuratively.

Are you alive when you're lively (presuming you are)?

Again, there are NO lively stones.

 

[CadyandZoe]

What do you mean? You think he was talking about a literal spiritual house built with literal stones with Jesus literally as its cornerstone?

This is becoming difficult because you can't stick with the context of the discussion. We are talking about 1 Peter 2:9, which doesn't contain allegorical speech.

You are trying to. And you are failing because scripture is the truth and your beliefs are a lie.

Could you prove your allegations? I doubt it. My view hasn't failed. You simply don't want to believe it.

That's a funny way of determining the truth. You are clearly wrong, as anyone with any discernment knows.

I have no idea what you mean. Why not prove your point of view?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

This is becoming difficult because you can't stick with the context of the discussion. We are talking about 1 Peter 2:9, which doesn't contain allegorical speech.

I'm using 1 Peter 2:5-6 to help me understand the context of 1 Peter 2:9. Do you just read individual verses in complete isolation from the rest of scripture without looking at surrounding verses and taking other verses of scripture into consideration for context?

1 Peter 2:5 you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 6 For in Scripture it says: See, I lay a stone in Zion, a chosen and precious cornerstone, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame.” 7 Now to you who believe, this stone is precious. But to those who do not believe, “The stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone,” 8 and, “A stone that causes people to stumble and a rock that makes them fall.” They stumble because they disobey the message—which is also what they were destined for. 9 But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.

Look at verses 5 and 6 here. Would you agree that the ones "being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood" who have the "stone in Zion", which refers to Jesus, as its cornerstone" are the same as those who are called "a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession" in verse 9? Surely, the "holy priesthood" of verse 6 is the same as "the royal priesthood" of verse 9, right? If so, then are you aware that verses 5 and 6 describe the church since that is the same way that Paul describes the church in Ephesians 2:19-22?

 

[covenantee]

Peter is speaking literally about the Jewish diaspora. There is no evidence that he is speaking figuratively.

Whom to believe?

1. You
2. James Strong

Need a hint?

Again, there are NO lively stones.

Whom to believe?

1. You
2. KJV translators

Need another hint?

 

[CadyandZoe]

I'm using 1 Peter 2:5-6 to help me understand the context of 1 Peter 2:9. Do you just read individual verses in complete isolation from the rest of scripture without looking at surrounding verses and taking other verses of scripture into consideration for context?

That isn't what it looks like to me; from my perspective, you are using 1 Peter 2:5-6 to show that Peter is writing to a Christian church. But that idea was never in dispute. Peter is writing to a Christian church. But these particular churches are attended by Jewish Christians as 1 Peter 2:9 demonstrates.

There is only ONE chosen race.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Whom to believe?

1. You
2. James Strong

Need a hint?

Okay, let's look at that.

1 Peter 1:1 contains the following Greek Phrase: παρεπιδήμοις διασπορᾶς

STRONGS NT 3927: παρεπίδημος​

properly, "one who comes from a foreign country into a city or land to reside there by the side of the natives; hence, stranger; sojourning in a strange place, a foreigner" (Polybius 32, 22, 4; Athen. 5, p. 196 a.); in the N. T. metaphorically, in reference to heaven as the native country, one who sojourns on earth: so of Christians, 1 Peter 1:1;​

As we can see from the Lexical reference, according to Strong's παρεπίδημος is understood in one of two ways, "properly" and "metaphorically." You have chosen to understand it metaphorically, which is a plausible way of taking it, but is it likely? Consider the next word in the sentence.

Strongs​

1290 diasporá (from 1223 /diá, "through," intensifying 4687 /speírō, "sow or scatter seed," which is the root of sperma, "seed") – properly, thoroughly scatter, distribute seed widely.​

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1290 (diaspora) is used figuratively of the Jews in NT times. They were literally scattered throughout the Roman empire (i.e. dispersed) and therefore called "the Diaspora."​

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[1290 (diasporá) properly refers to Israelites exiled to foreign lands, i.e. Jews residing outside of Palestine (see Jn 7:35).]​

According to Strong's, the figurative use of the term "diaspora" refers to the Jews in NT times. They were literally scattered throughout the Roman Empire.

You and I both believe Strong's. But you haven't understood the two words together to understand that Peter is talking to Jews scattered throughout the Roman Empire, who are living as foreigners.

Whom to believe?

1. You
2. KJV translators

Need another hint?

The KJV translates the Bible into English, which was spoken in the early 1600s. I wouldn't expect anyone living 400 years later to understand the KJV today.

 

[rwb]

There is only ONE chosen race.

Race has nothing to do with those who are the chosen of God. Those chosen of God were chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world. Not according to race, but according to God's grace, "the good pleasure of His will."

Ephesians 1:3-6 (KJV) Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Race has nothing to do with those who are the chosen of God.

I disagree. First, Peter reminded the Jewish diaspora that they were a "chosen race." Second, Peter agrees with the OT prophets and Moses, who said the same thing. Third, God chose that race to be his people, taken from among all the other peoples of the world. Finally, God has more than one purpose for choosing someone or a race of people. To be among the chosen race does not qualify someone to be saved.

 

[rwb]

Okay, let's look at that.

1 Peter 1:1 contains the following Greek Phrase: παρεπιδήμοις διασπορᾶς

STRONGS NT 3927: παρεπίδημοςproperly, "one who comes from a foreign country into a city or land to reside there by the side of the natives; hence, stranger; sojourning in a strange place, a foreigner" (Polybius 32, 22, 4; Athen. 5, p. 196 a.); in the N. T. metaphorically, in reference to heaven as the native country, one who sojourns on earth: so of Christians, 1 Peter 1:1;
As we can see from the Lexical reference, according to Strong's παρεπίδημος is understood in one of two ways, "properly" and "metaphorically." You have chosen to understand it metaphorically, which is a plausible way of taking it, but is it likely? Consider the next word in the sentence.

Strongs1290 diasporá (from 1223 /diá, "through," intensifying 4687 /speírō, "sow or scatter seed," which is the root of sperma, "seed") – properly, thoroughly scatter, distribute seed widely.1290 (diaspora) is used figuratively of the Jews in NT times. They were literally scattered throughout the Roman empire (i.e. dispersed) and therefore called "the Diaspora."[1290 (diasporá) properly refers to Israelites exiled to foreign lands, i.e. Jews residing outside of Palestine (see Jn 7:35).]
According to Strong's, the figurative use of the term "diaspora" refers to the Jews in NT times. They were literally scattered throughout the Roman Empire.

You and I both believe Strong's. But you haven't understood the two words together to understand that Peter is talking to Jews scattered throughout the Roman Empire, who are living as foreigners.

Why do you stop before considering these dispersed Jews along with verse 2, where it is written, "elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father"? Will you also limit the elect of God to only these dispersed Jews?

1 Peter 1:2 (KJVSL) Elect ἐκλεκτός according κατά to the foreknowledge πρόγνωσις of God θεός the Father πατήρ, through ἐν sanctification ἁγιασμός of the Spirit πνεῦμα, unto εἰς obedience ὑπακοή and καί sprinkling ῥαντισμός of the blood αἷμα of Jesus Ἰησοῦς Christ Χριστός: Grace χάρις unto you ὑμῖν, and καί peace εἰρήνη, be multiplied πληθύνω.

Colossians 3:12 (KJV) Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;

The elect of God according to Strong's are ALL (both Jew & Gentile) who are who are chosen by God in Christ before the foundation of the world. The Colossian Christians were a mixture of Jew and Gentile alike. Yet it is written that they too are of the elect/chosen PEOPLE (not race) of God. And they too were forced to flee along with the Jews who were dispersed in the beginning when the church came under persecution. Perhaps this is why verse 1 of 1Peter does not say to Jews scattered abroad, but to "the strangers scattered."

1 Peter 1:1 (KJV) Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,

Strangers according to Strong's - an alien alongside, i.e. a resident foreigner:—pilgrim, stranger.

 

[rwb]

I disagree. First, Peter reminded the Jewish diaspora that they were a "chosen race." Second, Peter agrees with the OT prophets and Moses, who said the same thing. Third, God chose that race to be his people, taken from among all the other peoples of the world. Finally, God has more than one purpose for choosing someone or a race of people. To be among the chosen race does not qualify someone to be saved.

How could you possibly agree with written truth since you only quote that which fits your unbiblical doctrines?

 

[CadyandZoe]

How could you possibly agree with written truth since you only quote that which fits your unbiblical doctrines?

Can you be more specific?

 

[CadyandZoe]

Why do you stop before considering these dispersed Jews along with verse 2, where it is written, "elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father"? Will you also limit the elect of God to only these dispersed Jews?

Peter is saying more than one thing about his readers in the first paragraph. Yes, they are the elect of God according to the foreknowledge of God, but they are also the Jewish diaspora living as foreigners in Gentile lands. In other words, Peter is talking to Christian Jews and not Christian Gentiles.

 

[covenantee]

As we can see from the Lexical reference, according to Strong's παρεπίδημος is understood in one of two ways, "properly" and "metaphorically."

Did you flunk kindergarten English? Obviously.

Strong associates 1 Peter 1:1 with the "metaphoric" definition. It is cited at the end of the "metaphoric" definition to show the association.

Strong does not associate 1 Peter 1:1 with the "proper" definition. It is not cited at the end of the "proper" definition.

Talk about dense.

The KJV translates the Bible into English, which was spoken in the early 1600s. I wouldn't expect anyone living 400 years later to understand the KJV today.

So no one who uses the KJV understands it?

Thanks for the guffaws.

Vast multitudes of the saints use it and understand it.

They don't suffer from the inability to understand it that you do.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Did you flunk kindergarten English? Obviously.

Strong associates 1 Peter 1:1 with the "metaphoric" definition. It is cited at the end of the "metaphoric" definition to show the association.

Strong does not associate 1 Peter 1:1 with the "proper" definition. It is not cited at the end of the "proper" definition.

Talk about dense.

I know this. Did you fail to notice that I discussed two different words?

 

[covenantee]

I disagree. First, Peter reminded the Jewish diaspora that they were a "chosen race." Second, Peter agrees with the OT prophets and Moses, who said the same thing. Third, God chose that race to be his people, taken from among all the other peoples of the world. Finally, God has more than one purpose for choosing someone or a race of people. To be among the chosen race does not qualify someone to be saved.

It was not a "Jewish" diaspora. It was a diaspora of Israelite Christians, who were both Jews and Gentiles. Israel was comprised of both Jews and Gentiles from the time of its birth.

God is not a racist. Your most desperate efforts will never contort Him into one.

Toss your Darby Scofield dispensational zionist racism into the round file from whence it came.

 

[covenantee]

I know this. Did you fail to notice that I discussed two different words?

You don't know it, otherwise you would have affirmed it.

You messed up on the second word as well. The definition with which 1 Peter 1:1 is associated is "sojourners far away from home, in Pontus".

Unsurprisingly, you're batting exactly zero.