Not ALL the physically dead are raised at the same time, the dead in Christ rise FIRST.

[CadyandZoe]

It was not a "Jewish" diaspora. It was a diaspora of Israelite Christians, who were both Jews and Gentiles. Israel was comprised of both Jews and Gentiles from the time of its birth.

Peter was the Apostle to the circumcision. He was writing to them.

God is not a racist.

God chose a race of people. Call it whatever you want.

Toss your Darby Scofield dispensational zionist racism into the round file from whence it came.

I am not a Dispensationalist.

 

[CadyandZoe]

You don't know it, otherwise you would have affirmed it.

You messed up on the second word as well. The definition with which 1 Peter 1:1 is associated is "sojourners far away from home, in Pontus".

Unsurprisingly, you're batting exactly zero.

I didn't mess up the words. I cut and pasted direct quotes from Strong's. The Greek word Diaspora refers explicitly to Jewish people living abroad. This isn't a matter of opinion, it's a matter of fact.

 

[covenantee]

Peter was the Apostle to the circumcision. He was writing to them.

He was writing to the Israelite Christian diaspora.

The Church.

 

[covenantee]

Jesus was right.

And you're not.

 

[covenantee]

I am not a Dispensationalist.

You're more dispensational than the dispensationalists.

 

[covenantee]

I didn't mess up the words. I cut and pasted direct quotes from Strong's. The Greek word Diaspora refers explicitly to Jewish people living abroad. This isn't a matter of opinion, it's a matter of fact.

You completely blew it.

 

[rwb]

Can you be more specific?

If I thought it would make a difference, but since I know it will not I'll not be wasting my time.

 

[rwb]

Peter is saying more than one thing about his readers in the first paragraph. Yes, they are the elect of God according to the foreknowledge of God, but they are also the Jewish diaspora living as foreigners in Gentile lands. In other words, Peter is talking to Christian Jews and not Christian Gentiles.

You see how you continue to cling to your unbiblical doctrine! Being a Christian Zionist you have no understanding of Scripture, which is why you continue to distort the Word of God trying to make salvation according to ethnicity as least for Jews. You think the biological seeds of Abraham, according to the flesh are still held in higher esteem before God, because they are called Jews! Rather than admit your error you continue to deny Gentiles of faith are of the dispersion, because they too are the elect of God, and they too have been suffering great tribulation and persecution from the beginning.

 

[CadyandZoe]

He was writing to the Israelite Christian diaspora.

The Church.

There is no such thing as an "Israelite Christian diaspora." The term diaspora" contains the Greek word "σπέρμα, Sperma," which means "seed" and figuratively refers to a human family such as Jacob and his descendants.

 

[CadyandZoe]

You're more dispensational than the dispensationalists.

Why do you feel comfortable with making up stuff about people?

 

[CadyandZoe]

You completely blew it.

Prove your allegations.

 

[CadyandZoe]

If I thought it would make a difference, but since I know it will not I'll not be wasting my time.

So, making an unsupported allegation is okay with you?

 

[CadyandZoe]

You see how you continue to cling to your unbiblical doctrine!

Why is it unbiblical?

Being a Christian Zionist you have no understanding of Scripture, which is why you continue to distort the Word of God trying to make salvation according to ethnicity as least for Jews.

So far, I have been able to support my point of view with scripture. If you don't find it convincing then feel free to believe whatever you want.

You think the biological seeds of Abraham, according to the flesh are still held in higher esteem before God, because they are called Jews!

Did I say anything like that? No. Were we discussing esteem? I don't think so.

Rather than admit your error you continue to deny Gentiles of faith are of the dispersion, because they too are the elect of God, and they too have been suffering great tribulation and persecution from the beginning.

Did you think we were discussing persecution or tribulation? If so, you are in the wrong thread. We are discussing the sequence of those who will be resurrected.

Second, your view that Gentiles of faith are of the dispersion is factually incorrect. The term "dispersion" comes from the Greek word "diaspora," roughly meaning "the displacement of the seed" and is used figuratively to indicate the Jewish people who have left the homeland.

There is no "germ" distinction among Christians. They come from every tongue, nation, and people.

According to the Bible, there is only ONE chosen race -- the sons and daughters of Jacob. Deuteronomy 7:6

 

[covenantee]

There is no such thing as an "Israelite Christian diaspora." The term diaspora" contains the Greek word "σπέρμα, Sperma," which means "seed" and figuratively refers to a human family such as Jacob and his descendants.

From Strong: "sojourners far away from home, in Pontus, 1 Peter 1:1"

How quickly you forget.

When you don't want to remember.

 

[covenantee]

According to the Bible, there is only ONE chosen race -- the sons and daughters of Jacob. Deuteronomy 7:6

Numbers 25
9 And those that died in the plague were twenty and four thousand.

Were they the chosen race?

 

[CadyandZoe]

Numbers 25
9 And those that died in the plague were twenty and four thousand.

Were they the chosen race?

Yes. Those that died by the plague that day were among the chosen race. What's your point?

 

[CadyandZoe]

From Strong: "sojourners far away from home, in Pontus, 1 Peter 1:1"

How quickly you forget.

I think we are talking past each other and perhaps you didn't understand what I said the first time. So I will repeat what I said in a different way this time.

We are discussing 1 Peter 2:9 in the context of 1 Peter 1:1, where Peter addresses his letter to his Jewish kinsmen living abroad.

I will quote 1 Peter 1:1 below and insert the relevant Strong's numbers where appropriate for our discussion.

1 Peter 1:1

To those who reside as aliens [3927], scattered [1290] throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, who are chosen . . .​

You mentioned the word "sojourners", which the NASB translates as "reside as aliens" and the Strong's number for that Greek word is [3927]. The word I mentioned is "diaspora", which the NASB translates as "scattered" and the Strong's number for that Greek word is [1290]

I explained earlier that although the figurative use of [3927] speaks about Christians who reside as sojourners on earth, the figurative use of [1290] indicates the Jewish people who live outside of Palestine. The word [1290] is never used to symbolically refer to those who follow Christ.

 

[covenantee]

Yes. Those that died by the plague that day were among the chosen race. What's your point?

Why did they die?

 

[covenantee]

I think we are talking past each other and perhaps you didn't understand what I said the first time. So I will repeat what I said in a different way this time.

We are discussing 1 Peter 2:9 in the context of 1 Peter 1:1, where Peter addresses his letter to his Jewish kinsmen living abroad.

I will quote 1 Peter 1:1 below and insert the relevant Strong's numbers where appropriate for our discussion.

1 Peter 1:1

To those who reside as aliens [3927], scattered [1290] throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, who are chosen . . .​

You mentioned the word "sojourners", which the NASB translates as "reside as aliens" and the Strong's number for that Greek word is [3927]. The word I mentioned is "diaspora", which the NASB translates as "scattered" and the Strong's number for that Greek word is [1290]

I explained earlier that although the figurative use of [3927] speaks about Christians who reside as sojourners on earth, the figurative use of [1290] indicates the Jewish people who live outside of Palestine. The word [1290] is never used to symbolically refer to those who follow Christ.

3297: " in the N. T. metaphorically, in reference to heaven as the native country, one who sojourns on earth: so of Christians, 1 Peter 1:1;"
1290: "sojourners far away from home, in Pontus, 1 Peter 1:1"

In 3297 of 1 Peter 1:1, Strong defines sojourners as Christians.
In 1290 of 1 Peter 1:1, Strong refers to sojourners, whom he has just defined as Christians.
Christians are those who follow Christ.
Ergo, sojourners in 1 Peter 1:1 are those who follow Christ.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Why did they die?

The text is clear why they were punished. What's your point?