Mark of the Beast and salvation

[Timtofly]

So your answer is no then

Jesus blood was sufficient. Your question is pointless. Jesus blood does not run out, and stop covering. Do you not understand that a reprobate soul is cast into the LOF? Are you saying the blood of Jesus should cover those in the LOF, so one day it is sufficient to bring them out of the LOF?

The mark is on those living who have been removed from the Lamb's book of life. Being removed is a reprobate condition. A name cannot be placed back in. That does not mean the blood was insufficient. It means God took away His offer, after time was declared over.

 

[Timtofly]

Adam is Man, that is to say, us. People work every day, thinking about riches and power, staining their head with greedy thoughts and staining their hands with filthy mammon. People work endlessly for themselves, can't buy or sell without doing it for their master -- Adam, themselves. Then they die, are reborn, and start it all over. The mark of the beast is to walk this earth in the flesh, toiling every day without rest, suffering all the plagues of the earth, until the day of awakening. To live in the flesh is to live as a beast, and be spiritually branded as a beast.


It's God's words, not mine.

1 John 5:19 ESV​

We know that we are from God, and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one.

John 14:30 ESV​

I will no longer talk much with you, for the ruler of this world is coming. He has no claim on me,

God did not say by whose authority in those verses. Nor that it was a done deal.

 

[Marty fox]

Jesus blood was sufficient. Your question is pointless. Jesus blood does not run out, and stop covering. Do you not understand that a reprobate soul is cast into the LOF? Are you saying the blood of Jesus should cover those in the LOF, so one day it is sufficient to bring them out of the LOF?

The mark is on those living who have been removed from the Lamb's book of life. Being removed is a reprobate condition. A name cannot be placed back in. That does not mean the blood was insufficient. It means God took away His offer, after time was declared over.

Of course not it is only for those who repent I have stated this a few themes already.

My point is that the bible says that all those who repent will be saved it is a promise from God thus the mark can’t be literal but symbolic of a unrepentant devotion to the beast

 

[RLT63]

Of course not it is only for those who repent I have stated this a few themes already.

My point is that the bible says that all those who repent will be saved it is a promise from God thus the mark can’t be literal but symbolic of a unrepentant devotion to the beast

It’s a literal mark but taking it shows an unrepentant devotion to the beast

 

[Marty fox]

It’s a literal mark but taking it shows an unrepentant devotion to the beast

No it doesn’t unrepentant is spiritual condition two very different things.

If it’s literal then some people would take it out of fear for many things just like the covid vaccine and John 3:16 doesn’t say unless you take the mark

Think about Gods heart

 

[ewq1938]

Of course not it is only for those who repent I have stated this a few themes already.

My point is that the bible says that all those who repent will be saved it is a promise from God thus the mark can’t be literal but symbolic of a unrepentant devotion to the beast

As if a physical mark can't also represent an unrepentant devotion to the beast. A physical mark can also have a spiritual affect like inviting evil spirits inside.

 

[Adam]

God did not say by whose authority in those verses. Nor that it was a done deal.

It's in the gospel...

 

[RLT63]

No it doesn’t unrepentant is spiritual condition two very different things.

If it’s literal then some people would take it out of fear for many things just the the covid vaccine and John 3:16 doesn’t say unless you take the mark

Think about Gods heart

Revelation describes what happens to those who take the mark. John 3:16 has nothing to do with it. No one can buy or sell without the mark, and whoever takes it is doomed.

 

[Marty fox]

Revelation describes what happens to those who take the mark. John 3:16 has nothing to do with it. No one can buy or sell without the mark, and whoever takes it is doomed.

I’m not debating what happens to them I’m debating what the mark is

 

[RLT63]

I’m not debating what happens to them I’m debating what the mark is

No one knows what it is but it’s not simply symbolic. You can’t buy or sell without it. That means people can see it or detect it somehow.

 

[ewq1938]

No one knows what it is but it’s not simply symbolic. You can’t buy or sell without it. That means people can see it or detect it somehow.

Right.

If it were just appearance or acts, it could be faked. No, it is literal enough for others to know for sure, without any doubt, that a person actually has the mark.

 

[Timtofly]

Of course not it is only for those who repent I have stated this a few themes already.

My point is that the bible says that all those who repent will be saved it is a promise from God thus the mark can’t be literal but symbolic of a unrepentant devotion to the beast

You said it can not be literal because of John 3:16 and the blood of Christ.

Now you say it is spiritual devotion. Well that has been the case since Cain. The mark is literal because it is placed on the living after time has been declared over. You place literal expiration dates on expired literal items. 666 is a literal mark that represents Adam's punishment has expired. Yet many still are on earth to take the mark or chop their head off, which is a literal physical act. You cannot remove the literal mark, just like you cannot put one's head back on and let them change their mind on their decision.

There is no repentance after one receives the mark. Their name was permanently removed from the Lamb's book of life upon receiving the mark.

No it doesn’t unrepentant is spiritual condition two very different things.



If it’s literal then some people would take it out of fear for many things just like the covid vaccine and John 3:16 doesn’t say unless you take the mark



Think about Gods heart

It is God's heart that removes them from the Lamb's book of life, and gives them the desire of their reprobate heart.



God hardened Pharaoh's heart because he kept changing his mind. Taking the mark is a permanent one way decision.

 

[Timtofly]

It's in the gospel...

"When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand) "

 

[Adam]

"When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand) "

"let him understand" means it is symbolic.

Paul defines what the temple of God is:

1 Corinthians 3:16
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

Adam is the man of sin, and he lives in God's temple.

 

[amigo de christo]

In answer to your question above, the answer is yes. In the 6th or 7th century, there appeared in Rome a document called "The Donation of Constantine'. This document was purported to be sure evidence that have the Papacy carte blanche in taking over lands and property formerly under Roman jurisdiction. And this they did, using the document as a legally binding instrument that resulted in papal lands being stolen by the church from whomsoever they chose. By this the church became a huge landowner, and by the time the "donation" was "discovered" as fraudulent 800 years or so later, it was too late. Anyway, to the discussion in hand.
In that document is a title that many popes adopted and used as an official title, thus justifying much evil. That title was in the beast's own language... Latin.
That title was one that was applied solely and only to the bishop of Rome, the Pope.
And that title is one that perfectly reflects the meaning of "Antichrist"... Instead of, or I'm the room of, Christ. That title in Latin is Vicarius Filii Dei, meaning vicar of the Son of God. Some Latin letters have a numerical value. The fact that the dungeon was a fraud didn't do the popes from taking advantage for centuries, and using that title as an official title even to recent times.

 

[amigo de christo]

So isn't Jesus blood enough to cover a literal mark?

Those who take the mark did not submit to GOD , HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS in CHRIST . WILLFULL SIN wont be covered .
This generation has turned the grace of GOD into lasciviousness , THUS THEY DENY CHRIST . JESUS aint the ministir of sin .
GOD wont be mocked church . lip service wont and dont mean a thing if the HEART DONT MATCH IT .

 

[amigo de christo]

In answer to your question above, the answer is yes. In the 6th or 7th century, there appeared in Rome a document called "The Donation of Constantine'. This document was purported to be sure evidence that have the Papacy carte blanche in taking over lands and property formerly under Roman jurisdiction. And this they did, using the document as a legally binding instrument that resulted in papal lands being stolen by the church from whomsoever they chose. By this the church became a huge landowner, and by the time the "donation" was "discovered" as fraudulent 800 years or so later, it was too late. Anyway, to the discussion in hand.
In that document is a title that many popes adopted and used as an official title, thus justifying much evil. That title was in the beast's own language... Latin.
That title was one that was applied solely and only to the bishop of Rome, the Pope.
And that title is one that perfectly reflects the meaning of "Antichrist"... Instead of, or I'm the room of, Christ. That title in Latin is Vicarius Filii Dei, meaning vicar of the Son of God. Some Latin letters have a numerical value. The fact that the dungeon was a fraud didn't do the popes from taking advantage for centuries, and using that title as an official title even to recent times.

 

[amigo de christo]

"let him understand" means it is symbolic.

Paul defines what the temple of God is:

1 Corinthians 3:16
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

Adam is the man of sin, and he lives in God's temple.

The old man dwells not in the kingdom . flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom .
YEAH its truth that we are the temple of GOD and that the SPIRIT of GOD does dwell in a lamb .
IF a person has not the SPIRIT of CHRIST He is NONE NONE NONE OF HIS
and if one has the spirit then the body is dead due to sin . LIVE FOR CHRIST .
WHY DIE IN SIN under another jesus when we can LIVE IN CHRIST JESUS . ANY who supports sin
follows not the SPIRIT . ME THINKS it high time this generation know and understand that .
THE PROOF we belong to CHRIST is not in LIP ALONE but is seen by the fruit it produces .
Now if a man say i have love and does some good yet DENIES JESUS by mouth and follows the all incluisve lie
HE IS A LIAR for HE DENIES the CHRIST . BUT ALSO if a man lips the name of CHRIST yet walks in darkness and embraces
the flesh , I TELL US ALL this mans religion , his faith is DEAD and he knows not CHRIST , IS NOT SAVED
but is in dire and grave danger for he walks in the middle of the road . TIME TO EXPOSE that which is false
and embrace that which is truth . SO allow me to depart with this reminder .
IF THE LIGHT which is in thee be darkness then great is that darkness .
IF THE LIGHT that is in thee support sin , IT SUPPORTS DARKNESS , IT IS DARKNESS and GREAT IS that darkness .
IF the rainbow that is in one supports sin , THEN ITS THE WRONG rainbow to support . THIS goes with ALL SIN .

 

[Brakelite]

Beautiful.

 

[Marty fox]

Those who take the mark did not submit to GOD , HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS in CHRIST . WILLFULL SIN wont be covered .
This generation has turned the grace of GOD into lasciviousness , THUS THEY DENY CHRIST . JESUS aint the ministir of sin .
GOD wont be mocked church . lip service wont and dont mean a thing if the HEART DONT MATCH IT .

Of course the heart has to match it but are you really saying that Jesus blood can’t cover willful sin?

We all at one time willfully sin and then repent and turn away