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1 John 4:15 (NKJV)
15 Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God.
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1 John 4:15 (NKJV)
15 Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God.
that's all? ... that Isaiah 63:16 really got you... did it not, you didn't even know that verse was in the bible, well listen to it again, and weep. Isaiah 63:16 "Doubtless thou art our father, though Abraham be ignorant of us, and Israel acknowledge us not: thou, O LORD, art our father, our redeemer; thy name is from everlasting."
and how many Father do we have? ONE, Malachi 2:10 "Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?"
now, if you want to just talk and be a Quotidian in your ignorant saying, then that's what facebook and tweeter are for. but here the Word of God is discussed. keep Isaiah 63:16 in your head... good day.
Remember, Don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word.
PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"
You reject Jesus the Son of God and you say "that's all"? As if that's not enough to burn in Hell, you reject "God the Father" in the NT 16 times.
Yes you do
Dan 7:9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
Dan 7:10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
Dan 7:11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
Dan 7:12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.
Dan 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
Dan 7:14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
See Christ came to God , so that God could Give Him dominion, and I guess you too ignored this little bit
Joh_5:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
and this
Joh 8:53 Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself?
Joh 8:54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:
Brakelite
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The apostle Paul describes Christ as ―the wisdom of God (1 Corinthians 1:24, see also 2:1-8). Solomon says wisdom was ―brought forth (Proverbs 8:24:25).
Only God can be brought forth of God. Anything that is not brought forth of God is created (a part of creation). Christ was not created. He is begotten. This is why He is Son (Hebrews 1:2). This is also why the Father is God and the Son is God yet they each have a personal identity of their own. As we noted above, Christ is the express image of God‘s person (Hebrews 1:3). This is because He is God from God. He is God‘s person (personality) made visible. In Christ we behold God in the person of the Son. Here though is where we need to remember the words of Jesus contained in that beautiful prayer to His Father...
And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. John 17:3
Christ refers to His Father as the only true God. He did not say though that He, as God‘s Son, was not God, neither did He say that only His Father is God or only His Father should be called God. He is simply referring to His Father as the great source of all. Christ is also saying of Himself that He, as a Son, is a distinct individual from His Father.
It was the same when the young man came to Jesus saying to Him "Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?" (Mark 10:17). Jesus replied "Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God." Mark 10:18
Jesus was not denying His own divinity. It was just as though He was saying to this man ―If you accept that I am good – and it is true that only God is good - then are you acknowledging me as whom I say I am – the Son of God?
The Scriptures also tell us, Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: Philippians 2:5-6
If Christ had been less than God or someone other than God, then He could not have considered Himself as equal with God. This equality is the result of His Sonship with God. Here again we see two divine personalities. One personality is―God while the other is ―Christ Jesus. Here we are also told that Christ, in His pre-existence, was in the form of God. As well as in character, this would be in outward appearance. This is why God could say to Him, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness (Genesis 1:26). The Greek word translated form is morphe. The only other place it is used in the Bible is where Mark wrote that Jesus, on the road to Emmaus, appeared in another form [morphe] to two of His
followers (Mark 16:12, see also Luke 24:16).
William Tyndale translated this verse in Philippians as Which beynge in the shape of god and thought it not robbery to be equall with god. Philippians 2:6 Tyndale‘s translation 1525
God must have a shape. If He didn‘t have a shape then there would have been no point in Jesus saying, And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape. John 5:37
Jesus identified Himself with the one true God. This is when He said to the Jews, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. John 8:58
The Jews knew exactly what Jesus was claiming. They knew He had identified Himself with the One who had spoken to Moses from the burning bush. And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, the LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations. Exodus 3:14-15
Christ was indeed the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. He was the God of the Jews. He was their spiritual rock that was with them in the wilderness (1Corinthians 10:1-4). He is Jehovah (Isaiah 12:2). Now though, in human flesh, He was standing before His people as their God. Unfortunately they failed to recognise Him as such. They would only have applied this appellation (the I AM) to God – and they certainly did not regard Jesus as such. This is why the Scriptures record that they took up stones to throw at Him (see John 8:59). It is also why John wrote in the prologue to His Gospel, He came unto his own, and his own received him not. John 1:11
It was Philip who said to Jesus, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus could have replied saying ―Sorry, I cannot do that Philip. No one can see the Father and live. Instead He replied, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and
the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. John 14:9-10
In these words of Jesus there can be sensed an element of surprise. The disciples had confessed Him to be the Son of God (Matthew 14:33, 16:16, John 1:49). They also knew He claimed to be the Son of God (Matthew 16:16-17, John 5:18, John 9:35). They knew too that this was what the Scribes and Pharisees held against Him (John 5:18). They would even have known that this had been the testimony of God Himself (Matthew 3:17, 17:5). They still though, so it seems, had failed to recognise His true identity. It was just as though Jesus was saying to them, Are you saying that even though I have been with you for over 3 years you still don‘t know who I really am? Christ then said, Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. John 14:11
Christ‘s words are again the reiteration of the great truth that He spoke to the Jews when He said, I and my Father are one. John 10:30
Only God can be brought forth of God. Anything that is not brought forth of God is created (a part of creation). Christ was not created. He is begotten. This is why He is Son (Hebrews 1:2). This is also why the Father is God and the Son is God yet they each have a personal identity of their own. As we noted above, Christ is the express image of God‘s person (Hebrews 1:3). This is because He is God from God. He is God‘s person (personality) made visible. In Christ we behold God in the person of the Son. Here though is where we need to remember the words of Jesus contained in that beautiful prayer to His Father...
And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. John 17:3
Christ refers to His Father as the only true God. He did not say though that He, as God‘s Son, was not God, neither did He say that only His Father is God or only His Father should be called God. He is simply referring to His Father as the great source of all. Christ is also saying of Himself that He, as a Son, is a distinct individual from His Father.
It was the same when the young man came to Jesus saying to Him "Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?" (Mark 10:17). Jesus replied "Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God." Mark 10:18
Jesus was not denying His own divinity. It was just as though He was saying to this man ―If you accept that I am good – and it is true that only God is good - then are you acknowledging me as whom I say I am – the Son of God?
The Scriptures also tell us, Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: Philippians 2:5-6
If Christ had been less than God or someone other than God, then He could not have considered Himself as equal with God. This equality is the result of His Sonship with God. Here again we see two divine personalities. One personality is―God while the other is ―Christ Jesus. Here we are also told that Christ, in His pre-existence, was in the form of God. As well as in character, this would be in outward appearance. This is why God could say to Him, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness (Genesis 1:26). The Greek word translated form is morphe. The only other place it is used in the Bible is where Mark wrote that Jesus, on the road to Emmaus, appeared in another form [morphe] to two of His
followers (Mark 16:12, see also Luke 24:16).
William Tyndale translated this verse in Philippians as Which beynge in the shape of god and thought it not robbery to be equall with god. Philippians 2:6 Tyndale‘s translation 1525
God must have a shape. If He didn‘t have a shape then there would have been no point in Jesus saying, And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape. John 5:37
Jesus identified Himself with the one true God. This is when He said to the Jews, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. John 8:58
The Jews knew exactly what Jesus was claiming. They knew He had identified Himself with the One who had spoken to Moses from the burning bush. And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, the LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations. Exodus 3:14-15
Christ was indeed the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. He was the God of the Jews. He was their spiritual rock that was with them in the wilderness (1Corinthians 10:1-4). He is Jehovah (Isaiah 12:2). Now though, in human flesh, He was standing before His people as their God. Unfortunately they failed to recognise Him as such. They would only have applied this appellation (the I AM) to God – and they certainly did not regard Jesus as such. This is why the Scriptures record that they took up stones to throw at Him (see John 8:59). It is also why John wrote in the prologue to His Gospel, He came unto his own, and his own received him not. John 1:11
It was Philip who said to Jesus, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus could have replied saying ―Sorry, I cannot do that Philip. No one can see the Father and live. Instead He replied, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and
the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. John 14:9-10
In these words of Jesus there can be sensed an element of surprise. The disciples had confessed Him to be the Son of God (Matthew 14:33, 16:16, John 1:49). They also knew He claimed to be the Son of God (Matthew 16:16-17, John 5:18, John 9:35). They knew too that this was what the Scribes and Pharisees held against Him (John 5:18). They would even have known that this had been the testimony of God Himself (Matthew 3:17, 17:5). They still though, so it seems, had failed to recognise His true identity. It was just as though Jesus was saying to them, Are you saying that even though I have been with you for over 3 years you still don‘t know who I really am? Christ then said, Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. John 14:11
Christ‘s words are again the reiteration of the great truth that He spoke to the Jews when He said, I and my Father are one. John 10:30
I guess Jesus had two (2) fathers...
Matthew 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
Matthew 26:39 And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.
Guess some folks don't really believe Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
First Thanks for the reply, second, the Lord Jesus don't have a Father, as in being a descendant of anyone. and according to the the title "Father", only in source. supportive scripture, John 16:28 "I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father."
lets get educated, the definition of Father, according to the Spirit, or pertaining to the Spirit, means one or two things. a. Source, or origin. b. Position, or place. as in First, the ordinal as in Position.
the Lord Jesus said in John 16:28 "I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world". what do this mean? it means one thing that he is not anyones biological son. (his source is EVERLASTING, so that eliminates any earthly "son". now what about the TERM... when the Lord Jesus says, "MY Father". he is speaking of his OWN "place", the Ordinal First of himself. what do I mean. Jesus is the same one person who is God only diversified in flesh, meaning he's the "First", the ordinal First of himself, as well as the "Last", the ordinal Last of himself. Source and position, the same one person, this is accomplish by, "diversifing his ownself.
lets prove it out. scripture, Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" STOP, what's wrong with our picture, as in seeing JESUS as a Son? a. he's "EQUAL" with God, whom many say is his Father... ok, you have another problem, for no one is EQUAL with God. supportive scripture, Isaiah 40:25 "To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One." and this one, Isaiah 46:5 "To whom will ye liken me, and make me equal, and compare me, that we may be like?" NO ONE, are the Lights coming on now? you who say that there are three person of God, well these verses just nipped that in the bud. are you following the scriptures. well God the Father has no EQUAL, but JESUS is EQUAL "With". now what do with in Phil 2:6, and John 1:1 mean about God?. as John 14:16 clearly states, "ANOTHER". meaning JESUS is another of his own self, "EQUALLY" shared in flesh. do we have a dilemma? no, Jesus is the Father "SHARED" in Flesh the same Spirit, as mention in in the topic "the Omnipresence of God", post #148.
the answer to this Mystery begins at Deuteronomy 6:4 which holds the Key to understanding the Godhead.
as my motto states, "where there is knowledge, stay not ignorant", so if one want to know and UNDERSTAND the mystery of the Godhead, just ask and we can discuss the scriptures, and know, without a doubt who is in the Godhead. and when we know that, then we can understand why Jesus said in flesh... "My Father, which art in Heaven"... (smile).
PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"
first thanks for the reply, second, your description of God in Daniel... GREAT, now lets look at at the Christ description in Revelation 1:8 "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty."
Revelation 1:9 "I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ."
Revelation 1:10 "I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,"
Revelation 1:11 "Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea."
Revelation 1:12 "And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;"
Revelation 1:13 "And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle."
Revelation 1:14 "His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;"
Revelation 1:15 "And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters."
Revelation 1:16 "And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength."
lets compare, Dan 7:9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
Revelation 1:13 "And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle."(THE SAME GARMENT, AND WAS HIS GARMENT "WHITE", SEE REV 3:4).
Revelation 1:14 "His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;" (THE SAME HAIR, "WOOL")
Revelation 1:15 "And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters."(HIS FEET, THE SAME)
mjrhealth, are you that ignorant, that's the SAME person. the Ancient of days is the SAME person who is JESUS the Christ now glorified. BINGO. case closed. what more proof do one need... ok, lets go back to Daniel. but this time in chapter 10. listen, Daniel 10:4 "And in the four and twentieth day of the first month, as I was by the side of the great river, which is Hiddekel;"Daniel 10:5 "Then I lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a certain man clothed in linen, whose loins were girded with fine gold of Uphaz:"Daniel 10:6 "His body also was like the beryl, and his face as the appearance of lightning, and his eyes as lamps of fire, and his arms and his feet like in colour to polished brass, and the voice of his words like the voice of a multitude."Daniel 10:7 "And I Daniel alone saw the vision: for the men that were with me saw not the vision; but a great quaking fell upon them, so that they fled to hide themselves."
the same person, the Lord Jesus...
YIKES!. same description, andwe make a description that is recorded in Revelation also, listen, first Daniel 10:6 "His body also was like the beryl, and his face as the appearance of lightning" as LIGHTING? lets see, Matthew 17:1 "And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart," Matthew 17:2 "And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light."mjrhealth, I have posted this information a many of times, but you stumble at the stumbling block. see when our Lord transfigured himself, there's the "FATHER", the Ancient of days, the SAME person who is JESUS...
BINGO. we suggest you read Daniel chapter 10, and Revelation chapter 1 also....... (smile).
Remember, Don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word.
PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"
Stumbling nope, all you have done is add too, twisted words to suit your own misunderstanding, and since you cnt stand on your own faith, have to shout every one down withmjrhealth, I have posted this information a many of times, but you stumble at the stumbling block. see when our Lord transfigured himself, there's the "FATHER", the Ancient of days, the SAME person who is JESUS...
because you cant face the truth. and you think that makes you right, yet you are still deceived.
and all your "bingo" just speaks of ignorance. "Bingo".
Absolutely right on. Jesus "IS" the Father manifest in the flesh.
Revelation 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Keep up the good work.
Really
Joh_8:49 Jesus answered, I have not a devil; but I honour my Father, and ye do dishonour me.
Joh_8:54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:
Seems the devil doesn t want God to have a son, because if Jesus is God and not the Son of God, than salvation is forfeit. It had to be a man that died just like Adam brought sin into the world, the Son of man, Jesus, took sin away, anything else was and is illegal, and God is not into breaking His own rules.
And that is why men dishonour Christ.
Father/Holy Spirit overshadowed Mary and she gave birth to a bouncing baby boy (Jesus).
As a bouncing baby boy, he hungered and thirst.
As Father manifest in the flesh, he did miracles and forgave sin.
Jesus, the New Testament Tabernacle (which housed the Almighty spirit in him) died on the cross for our sin.
John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
John 8:27 They understood not that he spake to them of the Father.
Revelation 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Doesnt change the Fact God did not become a man, His word did, God never changes, if he did, HE would be just like a man, tossed and turned by the wind.
Says something about that
Rom_1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
so we can take this as you have no biblical rebuttal to what I said?
did you not READ? Don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word.
now, if you have scripture to correct me please post them...... or.... go and study with the Holy Spirit and Learn of him... it's just that simple. "ye have not because ye ask not"... BINGO.
so don't get upset with 101G, go to God and do just what our Brother said, James 1:5 "If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him."James 1:6 "But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed."James 1:7 "For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord."
Remember, Don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word.
PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"
Yep im not arguing with you im using that very same book to point out your ignorance. So why are you arguing with it??
Mat 16:15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
Mat 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
Mat 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
So go back to arguing with it.
in the name of the Lord Jesus thank you. Now word definition. Revelation 1:8 "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty". the Son is the Almighty, who is the Father. right here in Revelation, the Alpha and Omega is the First and the Last, lets see it, Revelation 22:13 "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last."
now Hold that thought, Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he."
did one see it? the First is "WITH" the Last, correct, now John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." the Word is "WITH" God, correct, just as the First is "WITH" the Last in Isaiah 41:4, correct. so the Word is Jesus the Son, correct, and many whom say God here in John 1:1 is the Father, correct. now, the latter part of John 1:1c "and the Word was God". one in the same? yes, because the Word was "WITH" God. or do you mean two separate and distinct person 101G? no, and here's why. the First is "WITH" the Last in Isaiah 41:4, as the Word is "With" God in John 1:1, correct, well Revelation time, listen, Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last." Uh O ... BINGO, the First that is with the Last is the same one PERSON. the scriptures clearly prove that Jesus who is the First is "ALSO" the Last. just the Word in John 1:! is "ALSO" God.... BINGO, how plain can one get.
now let me remind those who don't know, Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:" that means that Jesus is "LORD", and "Lord", ain't Psalms 110:1 great.... oh the beauity of DIVERSITY.
user, excellent scriptures you gave.
PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"
So nice to see you stop shouting. But you are still soo wrong, are you going to be the one that tells Jesus He has no father and God that He is lying because HE really never had a son,
Mat_3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased, sorry God according to christianity you are talking to yourself.
Joh_5:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
I guess men never will.
Joh_8:54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:
If Jesus said His father is God, than we have a problem dont you... or maybe it is "which god".
first thanks for the reply, second, do you know what the TERM "Son" mean, when it come the Lord Jesus? if so get back to me, and post what you believe "Son" mean.
PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"
Why dont you have children?? Dont you know what a son, is, I have 3. Crazy thing is my ex cant tell the diff between me and my middle son when we on the phone, neither can his friends. So when I listen to him I know what I sound like, Rather odd. Is suppose God has that too, "Hey My Son Jesus Sounds just like me".
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