Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so a 1000 yr reign on this earth is false

[Spiritual Israelite]

Maybe I didnt make myself clear......I wasnt meaning to say that the world to come is the millennial reign.......the world to come is the new heavens and earth....

Yeah, you definitely didn't make that clear. Good to know that is what you believe. So, are you an Amillennialist then?

.we were talking about Jesus saying his kingdom was not of this world and I was saying he was focused on the world to come in the new heavens and earth where he will reign over the nations.......... [Psa 22:28 KJV] 28 For the kingdom [is] the LORD'S: and he [is] the governor among the nations............................[Rev 21:24 KJV] 24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.

Can you tell me your understanding of what the new heavens and new earth will be like? Do you agree with Revelation 21:4 which says there will be no more death, crying, sorrow or pain there?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Please expound.....are you saying there is no thousand year kingdom even though the scripture says there is

LOL. Of course I would not deny the thousand years that is explicitly mentioned in Revelation 20, but I don't see it as referring to a literal thousand year time period after Christ's return. I believe it is a figurative term referring to the time when Jesus began to reign after His resurrection. I'm an Amillennialist. Are you familiar with what Amillennialists believe?

 

[Doug]

Yeah, you definitely didn't make that clear. Good to know that is what you believe. So, are you an Amillennialist then?


Can you tell me your understanding of what the new heavens and new earth will be like? Do you agree with Revelation 21:4 which says there will be no more death, crying, sorrow or pain there?

Yeah, you definitely didn't make that clear. Good to know that is what you believe. So, are you an Amillennialist then?

No what did I say to make you think I was if I may ask

Can you tell me your understanding of what the new heavens and new earth will be like? Do you agree with Revelation 21:4 which says there will be no more death, crying, sorrow or pain there?

I will give you verses that reflect it

[Rev 21:2, 4, 23-26 KJV] 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. ... 4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. ... 23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb [is] the light thereof. 24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. 25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there. 26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.

 

[Doug]

LOL. Of course I would not deny the thousand years that is explicitly mentioned in Revelation 20, but I don't see it as referring to a literal thousand year time period after Christ's return. I believe it is a figurative term referring to the time when Jesus began to reign after His resurrection. I'm an Amillennialist. Are you familiar with what Amillennialists believe?

I am familiar somewhat......please detail your beliefs........please tell me how the millennial kingdom could be explained as being in place today

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

No what did I say to make you think I was if I may ask

You said "the world to come is the new heavens and earth". The world to come will come when Jesus comes because the end of the world/age is when He comes (Matthew 24:3). So, if you say "the world to come is the new heavens and earth" that means you're saying that the new heavens and new earth will come when Jesus comes, which is what Amillennialists like me believe.

I will give you verses that reflect it

[Rev 21:2, 4, 23-26 KJV] 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. ... 4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. ... 23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb [is] the light thereof. 24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. 25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there. 26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.

So, you believe there is no more death on the new earth then since that is what the text says. And you believe that is the world to come. Where does the thousand years fit in there if you think the thousand years occurs after Jesus returns? Wouldn't you say that the thousand years is the world/age to come instead of the new heavens and new earth in that case?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I am familiar somewhat......please detail your beliefs........please tell me how the millennial kingdom could be explained as being in place today

That would require a lot of effort on my part to explain that to you. Tell me what you do know about Amillennialism and then I'll add more detail instead of taking time telling you things that you already know.

 

[Doug]

So, you believe there is no more death on the new earth then since that is what the text says. And you believe that is the world to come. Where does the thousand years fit in there if you think the thousand years occurs after Jesus returns? Wouldn't you say that the thousand years is the world/age to come instead of the new heavens and new earth in that case?

I think that after the tribulation Christ will sit on the throne and rule from Jerusalem for a thousand years.......at the end of a thousand years satan is loosed and gathers nations against Christ.....Christ destroys them and then comes the new heavens and earth

 

[Doug]

That would require a lot of effort on my part to explain that to you. Tell me what you do know about Amillennialism and then I'll add more detail instead of taking time telling you things that you already know.

I know that amills think the thousand years are now .......dont worry about what else
As far as I understand Israel is given all the promised land in the millennium (Ezekiel 36:24) we dont see this now
People will live long lives (Isiah 65:20) dont see now
nature is at peace (Isiah 11:6) not seen now
Christ reigns from Jerusalem (Isiah 2:1-4) not seen now

I dont see this as just figurative

 

[covenantee]

I know that amills think the thousand years are now .......dont worry about what else
As far as I understand Israel is given all the promised land in the millennium (Ezekiel 36:24) we dont see this now
People will live long lives (Isiah 65:20) dont see now
nature is at peace (Isiah 11:6) not seen now
Christ reigns from Jerusalem (Isiah 2:1-4) not seen now

I dont see this as just figurative

Why do you not cite any New Testament references?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I think that after the tribulation Christ will sit on the throne and rule from Jerusalem for a thousand years.......at the end of a thousand years satan is loosed and gathers nations against Christ.....Christ destroys them and then comes the new heavens and earth

How do you interpret this passage:

Matthew 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:....41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

I didn't include some of the verses in Matthew 25:31-46 and just included the ones that are relevant to what I want to discuss about it.

Who do you believe the sheep represent who will inherit "life eternal" in "the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world" and who are the goats who will "go away into everlasting punishment" and go "into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels"?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I know that amills think the thousand years are now .......dont worry about what else
As far as I understand Israel is given all the promised land in the millennium (Ezekiel 36:24) we dont see this now
People will live long lives (Isiah 65:20) dont see now
nature is at peace (Isiah 11:6) not seen now
Christ reigns from Jerusalem (Isiah 2:1-4) not seen now

I dont see this as just figurative

Isaiah 2:1 The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem. 2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it. 3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem. 4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

Notice here that this is all related to "the last days". Scripture says the last days is the time period between the first coming and the second coming of Christ, so why do you try to apply this passage to a time after His return?

Acts 2:15 These people are not drunk, as you suppose. It’s only nine in the morning! 16 No, this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:
17 “‘In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams.

Can you see here that the last days had already begun before the day of Pentecost and included the day of Pentecost?

2 Peter 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

Jude 17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ; 18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts. 19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.

Can you see here that the last days refers to the time period during which people scoff at the promise of Christ's second coming which was already happening long ago and is still happening today? Once He comes, people won't be scoffing any more, so the last days will be over at that point.

So, you should see that taking Isaiah 2:1-4 literally as you are and applying it to a time after Christ's return contradicts other scripture. Look at that Acts 2 passage again that I quoted above. Peter was quoting from Joel 2:28-32 there. If we didn't know any better, we would think it's saying that God would pout out His Spirit in literally all people since it says He would pour out His Spirit on all people. But, of course, we know that He only pours out His Spirit on all believers, not all people. Isaiah 2:1-4 should similarly be only applied to believers and not literally all people.

As for Isaiah 65:20, that verse relates to the new heavens and new earth. Why are you interpreting that passage in such a way that contradicts what John wrote about the new heavens and new earth?

Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. 4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. 5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

John was very clear that there will be no more death in the new earth, so why make Isaiah and John contradict each other? Isaiah was describing no more death in verse 20 in a figurative way. A 100 year old child? That's clearly figurative. A 100 year old is not a child. Is that really saying that there will be 100 year old children who die on the new earth? Of course not. That was a figurative way of saying that even after 100 years going by in eternity (if there was actually time in eternity) a child would still be a child because no one will age in eternity.

Notice what it says in Isaiah 65:18-19. No more weeping and crying. Just like it says in Revelation 21:4. Do you think that people will die during this supposed future thousand year time period and no one will mourn their deaths? That would be ridiculous, right? So, how do you reconcile your understanding of Isaiah 65:20 with what it says in Revelation 65:18-19 and what it says in Revelation 21:4?

And how about 2 Peter 3:13 which says the new heavens and new earth will be a place "whwerein dwelleth righteousness". Why would Peter have said that if it will be a place where wickedness also dwells? That would make 2 Peter 3:13 pointless, right? He clearly implied that the new heavens and new earth would be a place where only righteousness dwells.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I know that amills think the thousand years are now .......dont worry about what else
As far as I understand Israel is given all the promised land in the millennium (Ezekiel 36:24) we dont see this now
People will live long lives (Isiah 65:20) dont see now
nature is at peace (Isiah 11:6) not seen now
Christ reigns from Jerusalem (Isiah 2:1-4) not seen now

I dont see this as just figurative

Isaiah 11:6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them. 7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox. 8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea.
10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.

You think that Isaiah 11:6 refers to a future thousand year time period after Christ returns. Is that your understanding of Isaiah 11:10 as well? That verse says "in that day..." and is referring to the same day (time period) as Isaiah 11:6-9, right?

 

[Doug]

Why do you not cite any New Testament references?

Jesus taught about the kingdom in parables but I wasnt being exhaustive in my answer

 

[Doug]

Who do you believe the sheep represent who will inherit "life eternal" in "the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world" and who are the goats who will "go away into everlasting punishment" and go "into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels"?

[Mat 25:32 KJV] 32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth [his] sheep from the goats:

Its the judgement of nations

[Mat 25:33-34 KJV] 33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

The sheep on the right hand are the Gentile nations that will enter the thousand year kingdom

 

[Scott Downey]

All of these are the same kingdom. There is not a separate kingdom on earth different from the kingdom of heaven.
But pre mills teach a different kingdom.

Matthew 26:29
But I say to you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in My Father’s kingdom.”

Matthew 25:34
Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

Matthew 20:21
And He said to her, “What do you wish?” She said to Him, “Grant that these two sons of mine may sit, one on Your right hand and the other on the left, in Your kingdom.”

Matthew 13:11
He answered and said to them, “Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given.

Matthew 7:21
“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.

Matthew 8:11
And I say to you that many will come from east and west, and sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 18:3
and said, “Assuredly, I say to you, unless you are converted and become as little children, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 21:31
Which of the two did the will of his father?” They said to Him, “The first.” Jesus said to them, “Assuredly, I say to you that tax collectors and harlots enter the kingdom of God before you.

Mark 9:47
And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire—

Luke 8:10
And He said, “To you it has been given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God, but to the rest it is given in parables, that ‘Seeing they may not see, And hearing they may not understand.’

 

[covenantee]

Jesus taught about the kingdom in parables but I wasnt being exhaustive in my answer

Did Jesus teach any of these in His parables about His Kingdom?

As far as I understand Israel is given all the promised land in the millennium (Ezekiel 36:24) we dont see this now
People will live long lives (Isiah 65:20) dont see now
nature is at peace (Isiah 11:6) not seen now
Christ reigns from Jerusalem (Isiah 2:1-4) not seen now

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

[Mat 25:32 KJV] 32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth [his] sheep from the goats:

Its the judgement of nations

[Mat 25:33-34 KJV] 33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

The sheep on the right hand are the Gentile nations that will enter the thousand year kingdom

It's not the judgment of nations. I'm sure you are aware that the Bible was not written in English and what you are reading is an English translation of the original Greek manuscript?

The Greek word "ethnos" has more definitions than just "nations". It also can refer to people in general, Gentiles, the heathen and so on.

In this case the word means people in general. In Matthew 25:46 it indicates that the sheep inherit "life eternal". So, they inherit "life eternal" in "the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world". Where does scripture ever teach that Gentile nations will inherit eternal life in a kingdom prepared for them from the foundation of the world? Nowhere. Not very person in any Gentile nation is saved, so it's not possible that any Gentile nation could inherit "life eternal" in "the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world". Only individual believers who belong to Christ will inherit eternal life in the kingdom prepared for us from the foundation of the world. Why are you not taking other scripture into account here?

Here's what Jesus said will happen to the goats at that time.

Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Who do you think are the goats? You think the goats represent nations? Which ones? No, the goats represent those individuals whose names are not written in the book of life since they are the ones who will be cast into the everlasting fire.

Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

You need to take other scripture into account when interpreting Matthew 25:31-46 so that you don't interpret it in such a way that contradicts other scripture.

 

[Doug]

Isaiah 2:1 The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem. 2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it. 3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem. 4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

Notice here that this is all related to "the last days". Scripture says the last days is the time period between the first coming and the second coming of Christ, so why do you try to apply this passage to a time after His return?

Acts 2:15 These people are not drunk, as you suppose. It’s only nine in the morning! 16 No, this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:
17 “‘In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams.

Can you see here that the last days had already begun before the day of Pentecost and included the day of Pentecost?

2 Peter 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

Jude 17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ; 18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts. 19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.

Can you see here that the last days refers to the time period during which people scoff at the promise of Christ's second coming which was already happening long ago and is still happening today? Once He comes, people won't be scoffing any more, so the last days will be over at that point.

This passage can only be applied to the millennial kingdom......it does not show up in Revelations describing the tribulation period....unless the last days includes the millennial kingdom although I dont know a scripture for it.....thats all I understand

Acts 2:15 These people are not drunk, as you suppose. It’s only nine in the morning! 16 No, this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:
17 “‘In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams.Can you see here that the last days had already begun before the day of Pentecost and included the day of Pentecost?

Yes I agree

2 Peter 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

Jude 17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ; 18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts. 19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.

Can you see here that the last days refers to the time period during which people scoff at the promise of Christ's second coming which was already happening long ago and is still happening today? Once He comes, people won't be scoffing any more, so the last days will be over at that point.

So, you should see that taking Isaiah 2:1-4 literally as you are and applying it to a time after Christ's return contradicts other scripture. Look at that Acts 2 passage again that I quoted above. Peter was quoting from Joel 2:28-32 there. If we didn't know any better, we would think it's saying that God would pout out His Spirit in literally all people since it says He would pour out His Spirit on all people. But, of course, we know that He only pours out His Spirit on all believers, not all people. Isaiah 2:1-4 should similarly be only applied to believers and not literally all people.

2 Peter 3:3 is talking about the Day of the Lord at the end of the tribulation which possibly could include events before a new heavens and earth????

As for Isaiah 65:20, that verse relates to the new heavens and new earth. Why are you interpreting that passage in such a way that contradicts what John wrote about the new heavens and new earth?

Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. 4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. 5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

John was very clear that there will be no more death in the new earth, so why make Isaiah and John contradict each other? Isaiah was describing no more death in verse 20 in a figurative way. A 100 year old child? That's clearly figurative. A 100 year old is not a child. Is that really saying that there will be 100 year old children who die on the new earth? Of course not. That was a figurative way of saying that even after 100 years going by in eternity (if there was actually time in eternity) a child would still be a child because no one will age in eternity.

I dont think Isaiah 65:20 is the new heavens and earth

Notice what it says in Isaiah 65:18-19. No more weeping and crying. Just like it says in Revelation 21:4. Do you think that people will die during this supposed future thousand year time period and no one will mourn their deaths? That would be ridiculous, right? So, how do you reconcile your understanding of Isaiah 65:20 with what it says in Revelation 65:18-19 and what it says in Revelation 21:4?

it could be that the Lord was speaking of his creation by creating the new heavens and earth but not describing the millennial kingdom

And how about 2 Peter 3:13 which says the new heavens and new earth will be a place "whwerein dwelleth righteousness". Why would Peter have said that if it will be a place where wickedness also dwells? That would make 2 Peter 3:13 pointless, right? He clearly implied that the new heavens and new earth would be a place where only righteousness dwells.

Peter 3:13 is speaking of the new heavens and earth........where does he speak of wickedness

 

[Doug]

Isaiah 11:6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them. 7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox. 8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea.
10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.

You think that Isaiah 11:6 refers to a future thousand year time period after Christ returns. Is that your understanding of Isaiah 11:10 as well? That verse says "in that day..." and is referring to the same day (time period) as Isaiah 11:6-9, right?

right

 

[Doug]

Did Jesus teach any of these in His parables about His Kingdom?

As far as I understand Israel is given all the promised land in the millennium (Ezekiel 36:24) we dont see this now
People will live long lives (Isiah 65:20) dont see now
nature is at peace (Isiah 11:6) not seen now
Christ reigns from Jerusalem (Isiah 2:1-4) not seen now

Please tell me what you are asking by this......I dont recall any of this being in parables