Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so a 1000 yr reign on this earth is false

[Zao is life]

I don't think even SDAs would say that, though they agree with you that the earth is desolate during the thousand years.

Where do you get the phrase "the ages of the ages" from?


LOL!!! You are hilarious. You know, the main-stream Christian church teaches that Jesus died and rose again from the dead. Perhaps we should rethink that, too? LOL! Keep the laughs coming.


Okay, I'm not even going to read any further because I don't need this nonsense. My view is based on my own studies and that has ALWAYS been the case. I don't just blindly believe what is taught in "main-stream Christian theology". Thanks for proving yet again why it's a waste of time talking to you.

That's why you remain stuck in your limited understanding. Your know-it-all "I can learn nothing more from scripture and scripture cannot ever correct my belief in things that are not true" attitude.

I don't need to talk to you about it. You're blinded by your own mind.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

That's why you remain stuck in your limited understanding. Your know-it-all "I can learn nothing more from scripture and scripture cannot ever correct my belief in things that are not true" attitude.

I don't need to talk to you about it. You're blinded by your own mind.

LOL. Who is the "know-it-all" here? The one who has a doctrine all to himself and thinks that God reveals the truth only to him and can't clearly explain what he believes (you) or me? It would be you. You have blinded yourself.

 

[WPM]

What you say is what is not true.

When Jesus died, His Spirit did not die: His soul went into hades (Acts 2:27), where by the Spirit he preached to the spirits in prison (1 Peter 3:18-20),

and His dead body, being quickened [zoopoieo] (made alive by the Spirit), was raised from the dead. So take note of the Greek words [syzoopoieo] and [synegeiro] in the following verses, so we can check to see which other New Testament verses use the same words:

Colossians 2:12-13
"Ye are buried with him in baptism, wherein also all of you are risen with him [synegeiro] through the faith of the operation of God, who has raised him [egeiro] from the dead. And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him [syzoopoieo], having forgiven you all trespasses."

It's talking about the positional reality in Christ of those who belong to Him.

The words [syzoopoieo] and [synegeiro] used in Colossians 2:12-13 (quoted above) are the same words used in Ephesians 2:4-6:

"God, who is rich in mercy, for His great love with which He loved us, Even when we were dead in sins, He has syzōopoiéō (quickened together with) Christ, (by grace ye are saved) and has raised us up together [synegeírō] and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus" (Ephesians 2:4-6).

You can compare that easily with 1 Corinthians 15:20-22 & Romans 8:10-11
(Quickened & Resurrected):

"Christ is risen [egeiro] from the dead, and become the first-fruits of them that slept.

I already refuted this erroneous reasoning before, and you had no rebuttal. That is because it is extra-biblical.

Colossians 2:10-14 says, “ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ‘ye are risen with him’ [Gr. sunegeiro] through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised [Gr. egeiro] him from the dead. And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened [Gr. suzoopoieo] together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross.”

This explicit passage describes the act of salvation as a resurrection feat. Moreover, the raising of the forgiven child of God in resurrection power in salvation is in turn carefully identified with, and connected to, Christ’s glorious resurrection. It confirms that our hearts “are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ” in salvation, and likens this supernatural work to a death, burial and resurrection. This reading shows how the child of God is “buried with him,” “quickened together with him,” and finally “risen with him.”

The wording relating to this spiritual resurrection – “ye are risen with him” – is translated from the Greek word sunegeiro (Strong’s 4891), which is derived from the coupling of two other Greek words sun (Strong’s 4862) – denoting union and togetherness, and egeiro (Strong’s 1453), which means to awaken or resurrect from the dead. This word egeiro is constantly used in the New Testament in reference to Christ’s physical resurrection.

Also, the word rendered “quickened” in the above passage is translated from the Greek word suzoopoieo (Strong’s 4806), which is derived from combining the words sun (Strong’s 4862) with zoopoíeo (Strong’s 2227), meaning to make alive, give life and revitalize. Hence, we can see the deep meaning of this word in the aforementioned passage and the essential work that is perfected in the penitent sinner in regeneration.

Many new birth passages in Scripture are surrounded in resurrection terminology. Notwithstanding, they are not in any way referring to a physical resurrection, although, often, using the same type of language that accompanies literal ones. These references repeatedly describe spiritually dead men being spiritually made alive by being first spiritually quickened and then spiritually resurrected from the grave of their sin. This reading plainly outlines how the penitent sinner is raised with the exact same supernatural power that raised Christ at His resurrection, saying, “ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.”

Colossians 3:1-4 goes on to add, “If ‘ye then be risen with’ [Gr. sunegeiro] Christ (speaking in the present tense about those who have experienced spiritual resurrection in Christ), seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. When Christ, who is our life, shall appear (speaking of the second coming), then shall ye also appear with him in glory (referring to the physical resurrection which is future tense).”

There are two distinct resurrections outlined in this reading, the first being spiritual and the second being physical. The initial resurrection of necessity sees a spiritual change, whereas, the second resurrection of necessity requires a physical change. Interestingly, the Greek word sunegeiro is again used here to describe the spiritual resurrection of the penitent sinner through union with Christ. No one could surely dismiss the current reality of the resurrection outlined at the beginning of the above passage. Moreover, those that have experienced the aforementioned resurrection are then instructed to “seek” and “set their affection” upon “those things which are above” – spiritual actions that are to be performed in this scene of time. The key to experiencing the reality of this current resurrected life is found in the concluding part of the reading that our earthly life is “hid with Christ in God.”

 

[WPM]

What you say is what is not true.

When Jesus died, His Spirit did not die: His soul went into hades (Acts 2:27), where by the Spirit he preached to the spirits in prison (1 Peter 3:18-20),

and His dead body, being quickened [zoopoieo] (made alive by the Spirit), was raised from the dead. So take note of the Greek words [syzoopoieo] and [synegeiro] in the following verses, so we can check to see which other New Testament verses use the same words:

Colossians 2:12-13
"Ye are buried with him in baptism, wherein also all of you are risen with him [synegeiro] through the faith of the operation of God, who has raised him [egeiro] from the dead. And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him [syzoopoieo], having forgiven you all trespasses."

It's talking about the positional reality in Christ of those who belong to Him.

The words [syzoopoieo] and [synegeiro] used in Colossians 2:12-13 (quoted above) are the same words used in Ephesians 2:4-6:

"God, who is rich in mercy, for His great love with which He loved us, Even when we were dead in sins, He has syzōopoiéō (quickened together with) Christ, (by grace ye are saved) and has raised us up together [synegeírō] and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus" (Ephesians 2:4-6).

You can compare that easily with 1 Corinthians 15:20-22 & Romans 8:10-11
(Quickened & Resurrected):

"Christ is risen [egeiro] from the dead, and become the first-fruits of them that slept.

For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection [anastasis] of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be quickened [zoopoieo: made alive]."

Conclusion

We have seen how the Greek word anastasis (Strongs 386), used in Revelation 20 to describe the first resurrection, is related to the new birth in several New Testament passages. We have seen how its root meaning anistemi (Strongs 450) is also related to the new birth experience. We have seen how other similar resurrection words like egeiro (Strong’s 1453) and zoopoíeo (Strong’s 2227) are also identified with the first spiritual resurrection.

 

[WPM]

What you say is what is not true.

When Jesus died, His Spirit did not die: His soul went into hades (Acts 2:27), where by the Spirit he preached to the spirits in prison (1 Peter 3:18-20),

and His dead body, being quickened [zoopoieo] (made alive by the Spirit), was raised from the dead. So take note of the Greek words [syzoopoieo] and [synegeiro] in the following verses, so we can check to see which other New Testament verses use the same words:

Colossians 2:12-13
"Ye are buried with him in baptism, wherein also all of you are risen with him [synegeiro] through the faith of the operation of God, who has raised him [egeiro] from the dead. And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him [syzoopoieo], having forgiven you all trespasses."

It's talking about the positional reality in Christ of those who belong to Him.

The words [syzoopoieo] and [synegeiro] used in Colossians 2:12-13 (quoted above) are the same words used in Ephesians 2:4-6:

"God, who is rich in mercy, for His great love with which He loved us, Even when we were dead in sins, He has syzōopoiéō (quickened together with) Christ, (by grace ye are saved) and has raised us up together [synegeírō] and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus" (Ephesians 2:4-6).

You can compare that easily with 1 Corinthians 15:20-22 & Romans 8:10-11
(Quickened & Resurrected):

"Christ is risen [egeiro] from the dead, and become the first-fruits of them that slept.

For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection [anastasis] of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be quickened [zoopoieo: made alive]."

You fantasies regarding the quickening of the spirit only show your ignorance of (through lack of study of) scripture.

And because you will only double down on saying things that are patently false, I won't read the anything more of what you have already posted (copied and pasted from your storehouse of saved previous posts). It's pointless reading your copied and pasted posts from your storehouse of saved responses.

You need to go back to scripture and study scripture itself to make anything you say meaningful.

Spiritual resurrection precedes the physical resurrection of the just. That is what Scripture teaches. We all believe in the future physical resurrection when Jesus comes.

Jesus taught in John 11:25, saying, “I am the resurrection [Gr. anastasis], and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die."

Here we have the “first resurrection” mentioned (Christ’s glorious resurrection) that in turn results in a dual resurrection for the believer. To bring a believer from death to life as what we are seeing in this teaching of Christ is resurrection. The physical resurrection of Christ secured both spiritual and physical resurrection for the believer

Two resurrections result for the believer from Christ’s one resurrection. Man need spiritually redeemed and physically redeemed. When one gets saved they are spiritually redeemed. But they are not physically redeemed until resurrection day. His “first resurrection” secured both resurrections for those who will put their faith in Christ.

Jesus presents Himself as the absolute and only cure for the blight of physical and spiritual death. The eternal life He gives is therefore the complete antidote for “the second death” that Revelation 20 discusses.

Christ’s death, burial and resurrection secured two distinct, yet inextricably linked, resurrections for the believer, not one as the Premillennialists repeatedly assert; the first being a spiritual resurrection – the new birth; the second being a physical resurrection of the just. Significantly, there are many passages in Scripture, which support this biblical supposition. We must therefore keep this though very much in our mind as we examine the allegorical passage before us in Revelation 20:6.

Jesus said in John 5:24-29, referring to these two different, yet inextricably linked, resurrections, “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live (speaking of our spiritual resurrection in Christ). For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life (speaking of the second or physical resurrection); and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.”

There are clearly two resurrections here:

(1) Spiritual
(2) Physical

The first highlighted part here is clearly referring to the first resurrection, the spiritual resurrection that comes through having our part in Christ (Revelation 20:6). The terminology “the hour is coming, and now is” is used here and in other places to simply indicate – ‘the time is now upon us’ although it would have an immediate reality for every passing generation. The first resurrection outlined here is a spiritual resurrection pertaining solely to the elect: “the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live,” it relates to the here-and-now. The second relates to all the dead (saved and unsaved), "the hour is coming, in the which ALL that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth." It relates to the all-consummating resurrection day. The physical resurrection is therefore not restricted to the elect alone but to “the dead.” It is they in total that hear Christ’s voice, being raised to two different destinations.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Conclusion

We have seen how the Greek word anastasis (Strongs 386), used in Revelation 20 to describe the first resurrection, is related to the new birth in several New Testament passages. We have seen how its root meaning anistemi (Strongs 450) is also related to the new birth experience. We have seen how other similar resurrection words like egeiro (Strong’s 1453) and zoopoíeo (Strong’s 2227) are also identified with the first spiritual resurrection.

It's also worth pointing out that the Greek words translated as "first resurrection" in Revelation 20, which are "protos" (first) and "anastasis" (resurrection) are only used together in one other verse in scripture.

Acts 26:23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise ("protos anastasis") from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

So, my view, and I think yours as well, is that the first resurrection in Revelation 20 specifically refers to Christ's resurrection and the way in which people have part in the first resurrection is to spiritually have part in Christ's resurrection which occurs by way of being spiritually "risen with him" after previously being dead in our sins, as passages like Colossians 2:12-13 talk about.

 

[grafted branch]

He has that authority just as He has all authority in heaven and in earth (Matt 28:18), but you may have noticed that He hasn't destroyed all of His enemies yet. He will do that when He returns.

What about a verse such as Psalm 22:27, when does something like this take place? In NHNE?

Psalm 22:27 All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the LORD: and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

What about a verse such as Psalm 22:27, when does something like this take place? In NHNE?

Psalm 22:27 All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the LORD: and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee.

No, I think that relates to the fact that Jesus has all power in heaven and earth now. If you read Psalm 22 from the beginning you can see that it prophesies about the first coming of Christ. Maybe at the end it fast forwards to the future, but I tend to think it's all about the first coming of Christ.

Why do you ask?

 

[grafted branch]

No, I think that relates to the fact that Jesus has all power in heaven and earth now. If you read Psalm 22 from the beginning you can see that it prophesies about the first coming of Christ. Maybe at the end it fast forwards to the future, but I tend to think it's all about the first coming of Christ.

Why do you ask?

Well, it appears you have the rod of iron being implemented at the final judgment which destroys His enemies and Psalm 22:27 has all the nations worshipping (no enemies in view).

It would make sense that the rod of iron is used to get all the nations to worship but it wouldn’t make sense to place all the nations worshiping prior to the final coming in the Amil view.

 

[Doug]

1. 
   John 18:36
   Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here.”

Logically a king and His servants fight for His kingdom.

No Jesus will not be reigning as a king on this earth, not then, not now or in the future.

Jesus received a heavenly kingdom. Some future day, the kingdoms of this world will become the kingdom of God by inheritance and we then have the new earth and the new heaven, but that is not this day yet, nor after any 1000 years longer of a millennial current earthly reign of Christ.

The heathen are still raging and fighting against the Father and the Son.
The only time they can no longer fight is when we get new earth and new heaven in which dwells righteousness.
Even pre-mills admit there is evil rebellion of the wicked and Satan during their earthly millennial reign.

Psalm 2
.
Why do the [a]nations [b]rage,
And the people plot a [c]vain thing?
2 The kings of the earth set themselves,
And the rulers take counsel together,
Against the Lord and against His Anointed,[d] saying,
3 “Let us break Their bonds in pieces
And cast away Their cords from us.”
4 He who sits in the heavens shall laugh;
The Lord shall hold them in derision.
5 Then He shall speak to them in His wrath,
And distress them in His deep displeasure:
6 “Yet I have [e]set My King
[f]On My holy hill of Zion.”
7 “I will declare the [g]decree:
The Lord has said to Me,
‘You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You.
8 Ask of Me, and I will give You
The nations for Your inheritance,
And the ends of the earth for Your possession.

9 You shall [h]break them with a rod of iron;
You shall dash them to pieces like a potter’s vessel.’ ”

v9, they are slain

Luke 19

11 Now as they heard these things, He spoke another parable, because He was near Jerusalem and because they thought the kingdom of God would appear immediately.

12 Therefore He said: “A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom and to return.

13 So he called ten of his servants, delivered to them ten [e]minas, and said to them, ‘Do business till I come.’

14 But his citizens hated him, and sent a delegation after him, saying, ‘We will not have this man to reign over us.’

15 “And so it was that when he returned, having received the kingdom, he then commanded these servants, to whom he had given the money, to be called to him, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading. 16 Then came the first, saying, ‘Master, your mina has earned ten minas.’ 17 And he said to him, ‘Well done, good servant; because you were faithful in a very little, have authority over ten cities.’ 18 And the second came, saying, ‘Master, your mina has earned five minas.’ 19 Likewise he said to him, ‘You also be over five cities.’

20 “Then another came, saying, ‘Master, here is your mina, which I have kept put away in a handkerchief. 21 For I feared you, because you are [f]an austere man. You collect what you did not deposit, and reap what you did not sow.’ 22 And he said to him, ‘Out of your own mouth I will judge you, you wicked servant. You knew that I was an austere man, collecting what I did not deposit and reaping what I did not sow. 23 Why then did you not put my money in the bank, that at my coming I might have collected it with interest?’

24 “And he said to those who stood by, ‘Take the mina from him, and give it to him who has ten minas.’ 25 (But they said to him, ‘Master, he has ten minas.’) 26 ‘For I say to you, that to everyone who has will be given; and from him who does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him.

27 But bring here those enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, and slay them before me.’ ”

[Mat 12:32 KJV] 32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the [world] to come.

The world to come is in view

[Rev 20:4, 6 KJV] 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and [I saw] the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. ............................. 6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Scripture says there will be a thousand year reign of Christ in which the believing remnant of Israel will reign with him

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Well, it appears you have the rod of iron being implemented at the final judgment which destroys His enemies and Psalm 22:27 has all the nations worshipping (no enemies in view).

It would make sense that the rod of iron is used to get all the nations to worship but it wouldn’t make sense to place all the nations worshiping prior to the final coming in the Amil view.

It doesn't make sense to me that the rod of iron would be used to get all the nations to worship. It is clearly used in relation to destruction according to Psalm 2:9 and Revelation 19:15. He will break them with the rod of iron (Psalm 2:9) like a potter's vessel being broken into pieces and Him using the rod of iron is described alongside descriptions of Him smiting (destroying) His enemies and treading them in the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

 

[grafted branch]

It doesn't make sense to me that the rod of iron would be used to get all the nations to worship. It is clearly used in relation to destruction according to Psalm 2:9 and Revelation 19:15. He will break them with the rod of iron (Psalm 2:9) like a potter's vessel being broken into pieces and Him using the rod of iron is described alongside descriptions of Him smiting (destroying) His enemies and treading them in the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

Job was broken to pieces.

Job 16:12 I was at ease, but he hath broken me asunder: he hath also taken me by my neck, and shaken me to pieces, and set me up for his mark.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

[Mat 12:32 KJV] 32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the [world] to come.

The world to come is in view

[Rev 20:4, 6 KJV] 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and [I saw] the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. ............................. 6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Scripture says there will be a thousand year reign of Christ in which the believing remnant of Israel will reign with him

Would you agree that people die during the thousand years? If so, you should understand that the thousand years can't be the world/age to come. Jesus said that there will be no marriage or death during the eternal world/age to come.

Luke 20:34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage: 35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: 36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Job was broken to pieces.

Job 16:12 I was at ease, but he hath broken me asunder: he hath also taken me by my neck, and shaken me to pieces, and set me up for his mark.

So? Do you think I'm trying to make a claim that no symbolic text exists in scripture or something? No. It's all about context.

Is there also a description there of Job being smited and being tread in the winepress of God's wrath and eaten by birds? How do you interpret this passage:

Revelation 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords. 17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; 18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

 

[grafted branch]

So? Do you think I'm trying to make a claim that no symbolic text exists in scripture or something? No. It's all about context.

Is there also a description there of Job being smited and being tread in the winepress of God's wrath and eaten by birds? How do you interpret this passage:

Revelation 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords. 17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; 18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

The sword is the word of God and I would say the great supper of God is referring to communion, where we are to eat His flesh and drink His blood. Those in Revelation 19 are not worthy so they are pictured eating the flesh of kings, captains, mighty men …



You still haven’t given a direct answer as to when Psalm 22:27 gets fulfilled. It appears that you want it to be fulfilled prior to Christ’s future coming but that would be in direct conflict with Satan being loosed prior to His coming.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The sword is the word of God and I would say the great supper of God is referring to communion, where we are to eat His flesh and drink His blood. Those in Revelation 19 are not worthy so they are pictured eating the flesh of kings, captains, mighty men …

This is the most absurd interpretation of any passage that I've ever seen. So, Him smiting people and treading people in the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God means what to you then?

You still haven’t given a direct answer as to when Psalm 22:27 gets fulfilled.

Did you not read what I said? I made it clear that I believe Psalm 22 is a prophecy about the first coming of Christ, but I allowed that maybe at the end it jumps into the future. But, I tend to think that verse is related to the fact that Jesus has all power and authority in heaven now.

It appears that you want it to be fulfilled prior to Christ’s future coming but that would be in direct conflict with Satan being loosed prior to His coming.

If you take the verse literally as if it's talking about literally all people worshiping the Lord then it would have to refer to the future when there's no more death and all people on the new earth are believers while unbelievers are in the lake of fire. But, I'm not sure it's meant to be taken literally like that. As I said, I would relate it to the fact that Jesus has all authority and power in heaven and earth (Matt 28:18). Sometimes, scripture says things about all people when it really is referring to all believers such as Joel 2:28-32 where it talks about God pouring out His Spirit on all people. That doesn't literally mean all people, but means all believers.

 

[grafted branch]

This is the most absurd interpretation of any passage that I've ever seen.

Verses the Amil view of fire coming down from heaven, cooking all the humans to a golden brown which gives the poor defenseless birds a good meal, just prior to the end of the planet.

So, Him smiting people and treading people in the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God means what to you then?

Well, once you’re able to figure out Psalm 22:27 then I’ll let you know. Until then I’ll say sometimes scripture says things about all people when it really is referring to all unbelievers.

Sometimes, scripture says things about all people when it really is referring to all believers

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Verses the Amil view of fire coming down from heaven, cooking all the humans to a golden brown which gives the poor defenseless birds a good meal, just prior to the end of the planet.

Amils don't take Revelation 19 literally in terms of it talking about birds literally eating the bodies of those who are killed. But, the text clearly reflects physical destruction instead of the nonsense you showed by trying to relate it to communion.

Well, once you’re able to figure out Psalm 22:27 then I’ll let you know. Until then I’ll say sometimes scripture says things about all people when it really is referring to all unbelievers.

Is this your way of saying you don't know what it means for Jesus to smite the nations (heathen) and tread them in the winepress of the wrath of Almighty God? If so, why not just say so?

How do you interpret Psalm 22:27? You seem to act like you're an expert on that verse, so tell me how you interpret it.

 

[grafted branch]

How do you interpret Psalm 22:27? You seem to act like you're an expert on that verse, so tell me how you interpret it.

One thing we do know is that Psalm 22:27 has to take place prior to an Amil NHNE where there is no more death.

Psalm 22:29(NIV) All the rich of the earth will feast and worship; all who go down to the dust will kneel before him— those who cannot keep themselves alive.

 

[Doug]

Would you agree that people die during the thousand years? If so, you should understand that the thousand years can't be the world/age to come. Jesus said that there will be no marriage or death during the eternal world/age to come.

Luke 20:34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage: 35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: 36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

Yes people die during the thousand years........these are those that came out of the tribulation and physically enter the millennial kingdom on earth......those resurrected in the first resurrection will not die.......the first resurrection is made up of the old testament saints and those in Christ thru Christ's and Peter and the apostles preaching

I did not mean to imply that the world to come would find fulfillment in the millennial kingdom, only that the present world was not to be the world he would govern