I am not going there to undermine scripture......believe what you will...............[Mat 25:40 KJV] 40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done [it] unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done [it] unto me...............Jesus was talking about how the nations treated Israel in the tribulation
Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so a 1000 yr reign on this earth is false
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In that day is referring to an era of time pertaining to events involving His first coming through his 2nd coming, then the millennium that follows. How is it reasonable that some of what Isaiah 11 records, so does Isaiah 65 record, but that the former is not involving the same era of time the latter is involving?
What about the following verse which is also being counted as being a part of 'in that day'?
Isaiah 11:4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.
Look at this part---and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked. Anyone familiar with the NT at all is going to obviously know that Revelation 19, for one, explains what is meant here.
There are 2 comings involved, and until the NT shed light on this, things that the prophets wrote, such as Isaiah 11, did not make it clear that they sometimes included events having to do with the first coming and events having to do with the 2nd coming, thus they weren't being chronological about these things nor were speaking of only one coming. Either Scripture interprets Scripture or it doesn't. Using Scripture such as Isaiah 65 and Revelation 19, we can interpret what era of time is meant in some parts of ch 11, in regards to in that day.
Clearly, some of it is involving the first coming and events in this age that precede the 2nd coming. But to argue all of it is, is absurd. Some interpreters can't seem to comprehend that 'in that day' can be involving events having to do with the first coming and also be involving events having to do with the 2nd coming and then what happens after that because of the 2nd coming. Such as Isaiah 11:6-9.
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No, during the 1000 Year Reign of Christ... there is no need for anybody to "fight for the Kingdom" since the Lord is already ruler over the entire world. The Lord by that time has personally subdued the nations and removed satan and all his demons.
Spiritually speaking, but Jesus has not taken control over this world yet.
Hebrews 2:8 - Thou hast put all things in subjection under His feet. for in that He put all in subjection under Him, He left nothing that is not put under Him. But now we see not yet all things put under Him
That's not really what pre-mill teaches. As the rebels still exist, even though Satan is bound in a pit 1000 years, they believe he rules many unsaved people of the nations with a rod of iron during the millennial reign, who are resisting Christ and the kingdom of God. And that trillions of babies are born, cause after the 1000 years ends, this humongous number of unsaved persons who are allied with Satan and the demons rise up against Christ's rule at Jerusalem. And only then does God destroy all the wicked in fire.
So Christ rules over a kingdom of flesh and blood people. And honestly it is like the dream of a Jewish kingdom realized and ruling over the face of this old earth that pre mill believes according to the OT Jewish prophets. They include a new Jewish Temple and animal sacrifices for sins.
Rev 20
7 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea.
9 They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them.
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where[b] the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Fact is if you do not believe all the pre-mill doctrines, maybe you need to change your POV on the end of the world.
True. Because in the Kingdom of God/Heaven in Christ's New Will and Testament, the old testament promises have been removed, and replaced with promises in and to Christ and those who are in Christ.
2 Corinthians 1:20; Galatians 3:16,29; Hebrews 8:6,13; Hebrews 9:15-17; Hebrews 10:9
So you should update your list of recipients and promises.
I'm Premil myself and I fully disagree with it involving that. And to be clear, I do not agree with how Amils interpret it either. What it is involving is the following, pertaining to the goats. But not according to me, but according to the crystal clear passages below.
Matthew 24:48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming ;
49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth
Matthew 25:24 Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed:
25 And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine.
26 His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:
27 Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.
28 Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.
29 For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.
30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory :
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats
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James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone
18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead ?
Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels :
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat : I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these(for example, James 2:15), ye did it not to me
Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Matthew 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not , shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
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I say the Old Covenant has been broken and all the promises are fulfilled in Christ, and voided also for any other fulfilment, outside of Christ's New Covenant established in His blood.
The Old Covenant was about obedience to obtain the promises of God, and the Jews broke the Old Covenant completely.
So because of that, God disregarded them, as in the promises God had made that if they did such and such they would be blessed.
But since they broke His covenant with them, they are under the curse even to this day as well are also the other unsaved of the nations who do not follow the Lord, they follow the lusts of the flesh and the devil.
The prophets all point to Christ.
Zechariah 11
7 So I fed the flock for slaughter, [c]in particular the poor of the flock. I took for myself two staffs: the one I called [d]Beauty, and the other I called [e]Bonds; and I fed the flock. 8 I [f]dismissed the three shepherds in one month. My soul loathed them, and their soul also abhorred me. 9 Then I said, “I will not feed you. Let what is dying die, and what is perishing perish. Let those that are left eat each other’s flesh.”
10 And I took my staff, [g]Beauty, and cut it in two, that I might break the covenant which I had made with all the peoples. 11 So it was broken on that day. Thus the[h] poor of the flock, who were watching me, knew that it was the word of the Lord. 12 Then I said to them, “If it is [i]agreeable to you, give me my wages; and if not, refrain.” So they weighed out for my wages thirty pieces of silver.
Hebrews 8
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 11 None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them. 12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins [b]and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”
13 In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete.
Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
Vanished away into nothingness, null and void. No longer counting for anything, useless for any purposes of God and us too, obsoleted. Historical only but useful for study as it is meant to point us to Christ.
The Old Covenant was about obedience to obtain the promises of God, and the Jews broke the Old Covenant completely.
So because of that, God disregarded them, as in the promises God had made that if they did such and such they would be blessed.
But since they broke His covenant with them, they are under the curse even to this day as well are also the other unsaved of the nations who do not follow the Lord, they follow the lusts of the flesh and the devil.
The prophets all point to Christ.
Zechariah 11
7 So I fed the flock for slaughter, [c]in particular the poor of the flock. I took for myself two staffs: the one I called [d]Beauty, and the other I called [e]Bonds; and I fed the flock. 8 I [f]dismissed the three shepherds in one month. My soul loathed them, and their soul also abhorred me. 9 Then I said, “I will not feed you. Let what is dying die, and what is perishing perish. Let those that are left eat each other’s flesh.”
10 And I took my staff, [g]Beauty, and cut it in two, that I might break the covenant which I had made with all the peoples. 11 So it was broken on that day. Thus the[h] poor of the flock, who were watching me, knew that it was the word of the Lord. 12 Then I said to them, “If it is [i]agreeable to you, give me my wages; and if not, refrain.” So they weighed out for my wages thirty pieces of silver.
Hebrews 8
A New Covenant
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. 8 Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord.10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 11 None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them. 12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins [b]and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”
13 In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete.
Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
Vanished away into nothingness, null and void. No longer counting for anything, useless for any purposes of God and us too, obsoleted. Historical only but useful for study as it is meant to point us to Christ.
There have been other covenants God made with men before the Old Covenant of the Law.
None of them are in effect any more either.
Found this useful snip below on another forum, our New Covenant is perfect, and a great salvation.
The Old Covenant was to be sustained by the obedient faithfulness of Israel. You see much of these conditions in Deuteronomy, where God promises national peace and prosperity, and threatens exile and calamity if they become unfaithful. Ideally, they would have invited the nations/gentiles to the worship of Yahweh through their faithfulness.
The New Covenant is made because the Old Covenant was broken (see Hebrews 8 and 9, and in the OT you have Zech 11 and very importantly Jeremiah 31:31-32 -- "I will make a new covenant...not like the old one which they broke..."). In the New Covenant, the new Israel (Jesus) is faithful to the covenant obligation. He is the new vine to which people (including Jews) must be grafted to become the new Israel. This covenant cannot be broken because Jesus' 'probationary faithfulness' (i.e his faithfulness during his life on earth) was fully offered and sealed by His resurrection.
It's not a question on whether God is faithful to keep covenant, but a question of what kind of a covenant was/is it. The New Covenant cannot now be broken because its conditions have been fulfilled by Christ.
None of them are in effect any more either.
Found this useful snip below on another forum, our New Covenant is perfect, and a great salvation.
The Old Covenant was to be sustained by the obedient faithfulness of Israel. You see much of these conditions in Deuteronomy, where God promises national peace and prosperity, and threatens exile and calamity if they become unfaithful. Ideally, they would have invited the nations/gentiles to the worship of Yahweh through their faithfulness.
The New Covenant is made because the Old Covenant was broken (see Hebrews 8 and 9, and in the OT you have Zech 11 and very importantly Jeremiah 31:31-32 -- "I will make a new covenant...not like the old one which they broke..."). In the New Covenant, the new Israel (Jesus) is faithful to the covenant obligation. He is the new vine to which people (including Jews) must be grafted to become the new Israel. This covenant cannot be broken because Jesus' 'probationary faithfulness' (i.e his faithfulness during his life on earth) was fully offered and sealed by His resurrection.
It's not a question on whether God is faithful to keep covenant, but a question of what kind of a covenant was/is it. The New Covenant cannot now be broken because its conditions have been fulfilled by Christ.
Hebrews 10 squashes any notion of animal sacrifices in a holy temple to God [Ezekiel's temple] during a 1000-year reign on this earth, otherwise you're moving backwards and away from God.
5 Therefore, when He came into the world, He said:
“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire,
But a body You have prepared for Me.
6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin
You had no pleasure.
7 Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come—
In the volume of the book it is written of Me—
To do Your will, O God.’ ”
8 Previously saying, “Sacrifice and offering, burnt offerings, and offerings for sin You did not desire, nor had pleasure in them” (which are offered according to the law), 9 then He said, “Behold, I have come to do Your will, [b]O God.” He takes away the first that He may establish the second. 10 By that will we have been [c]sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
5 Therefore, when He came into the world, He said:
“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire,
But a body You have prepared for Me.
6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin
You had no pleasure.
7 Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come—
In the volume of the book it is written of Me—
To do Your will, O God.’ ”
8 Previously saying, “Sacrifice and offering, burnt offerings, and offerings for sin You did not desire, nor had pleasure in them” (which are offered according to the law), 9 then He said, “Behold, I have come to do Your will, [b]O God.” He takes away the first that He may establish the second. 10 By that will we have been [c]sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
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There is such resistance and active rebellion within the Amill Millennium, not in Premill's though. There are zero rebels and rebellion during the Millennium. Only after it is over, does satan deceive a large amount of mortals and there is a brief and failed rebellion.
My point was that Christ, at his death, resurrection, and ascension, was given the nations as an inheritance, to shepherd with a rod of iron and to dash to pieces. This is demonstrated in revelation 2:26-27.
While revelation 19 (vs 19) alludes to verses like psalm 2:1-2, which the book of acts declared as fulfilled in the crucifixion, its main point is Christ acting upon his already inherited authority - dashing to pieces as broken pottery those that would not serve the Lord nor accept correction - through the slaying of the beast, false prophet, and armies.
As stated to you on another forum, I think the evidence for the later portion
revelation 19 being about the 2nd advent is much stronger than it is for being about the destruction of Jerusalem.
Are you saying no one outside of “only” Gods people are taught correction, repentance, and to serve the Lord?
My main argument, prior to you shoehorning revelation 19 into the discussion, can be found in post 25. After you shoehorned revelation 19 into the discussion, my response can be found in post 45, where I literally said I think revelation (chapter 19) is about the perishing of those that did not accept correction. Nowhere did I say that I think revelation 19 is about the correction of the nations.
Hebrews 12
The Discipline of God
3 For consider Him who endured such hostility from sinners against Himself, lest you become weary and discouraged in your souls. 4 You have not yet resisted to bloodshed, striving against sin. 5 And you have forgotten the exhortation which speaks to you as to sons:“My son, do not despise the [c]chastening of the Lord,
Nor be discouraged when you are rebuked by Him;
6 For whom the Lord loves He chastens,
And scourges every son whom He receives.”
7 If[d] you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom a father does not chasten? 8 But if you are without chastening, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate and not sons. 9 Furthermore, we have had human fathers who corrected us, and we paid them respect. Shall we not much more readily be in subjection to the Father of spirits and live? 10 For they indeed for a few days chastened us as seemed best to them, but He for our profit, that we may be partakers of His holiness. 11 Now no [e]chastening seems to be joyful for the present, but painful; nevertheless, afterward it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.
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Obviously, none of the above is for those of the world
Why not be honest? Corruption abounds in your future millennium. You deny that. You either do not comprehend what the bondage of corruption is or you are living in denial. It relates to all the ugly fruit of the Fall. This continues unabated in your future millennium. In fact, it grows to such an enormous degree that it overruns your millennium. It is overrun by billions of wicked at the end as the sand of the sea.
In the New Covenant, we are not taught except by God to know and serve Him, review Hebrews 8.
And all those taught by the Father come to Christ and belief in Him.
Review John 6, this is very important teaching of how God saves us, and who God saves
30 Therefore they said to Him, “What sign will You perform then, that we may see it and believe You? What work will You do? 31 Our fathers ate the manna in the desert; as it is written, ‘He gave them bread from heaven to eat.’ ”
32 Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, Moses did not give you the bread from heaven, but My Father gives you the true bread from heaven. 33 For the bread of God is He who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.”
34 Then they said to Him, “Lord, give us this bread always.”
35 And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst. 36 But I said to you that you have seen Me and yet do not believe. 37 All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will [f]by no means cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”
43 Jesus therefore answered and said to them, [h]“Do not murmur among yourselves. 44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day. 45 It is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall all be taught by God.’ Therefore everyone who [i]has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me. 46 Not that anyone has seen the Father, except He who is from God; He has seen the Father. 47 Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes [j]in Me has everlasting life. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead. 50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that one may eat of it and not die. 51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world.”
52 The Jews therefore quarreled among themselves, saying, “How can this Man give us His flesh to eat?”
53 Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55 For My flesh is [k]food indeed, and My blood is [l]drink indeed. 56 He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him. 57 As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who feeds on Me will live because of Me. 58 This is the bread which came down from heaven—not as your fathers ate the manna, and are dead. He who eats this bread will live forever.”
59 These things He said in the synagogue as He taught in Capernaum.
61 When Jesus knew in Himself that His disciples [n]complained about this, He said to them, “Does this [o]offend you? 62 What then if you should see the Son of Man ascend where He was before? 63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life. 64 But there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who would betray Him. 65 And He said, “Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father.”
66 From that time many of His disciples went [p]back and walked with Him no more. 67 Then Jesus said to the twelve, “Do you also want to go away?”
68 But Simon Peter answered Him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. 69 Also we have come to believe and know that You are the [q]Christ, the Son of the living God.”
70 Jesus answered them, “Did I not choose you, the twelve, and one of you is a devil?” 71 He spoke of Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon, for it was he who would betray Him, being one of the twelve.
And all those taught by the Father come to Christ and belief in Him.
Review John 6, this is very important teaching of how God saves us, and who God saves
30 Therefore they said to Him, “What sign will You perform then, that we may see it and believe You? What work will You do? 31 Our fathers ate the manna in the desert; as it is written, ‘He gave them bread from heaven to eat.’ ”
32 Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, Moses did not give you the bread from heaven, but My Father gives you the true bread from heaven. 33 For the bread of God is He who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.”
34 Then they said to Him, “Lord, give us this bread always.”
35 And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst. 36 But I said to you that you have seen Me and yet do not believe. 37 All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will [f]by no means cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”
Rejected by His Own
41 The Jews then [g]complained about Him, because He said, “I am the bread which came down from heaven.” 42 And they said, “Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How is it then that He says, ‘I have come down from heaven’?”43 Jesus therefore answered and said to them, [h]“Do not murmur among yourselves. 44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day. 45 It is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall all be taught by God.’ Therefore everyone who [i]has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me. 46 Not that anyone has seen the Father, except He who is from God; He has seen the Father. 47 Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes [j]in Me has everlasting life. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead. 50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that one may eat of it and not die. 51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world.”
52 The Jews therefore quarreled among themselves, saying, “How can this Man give us His flesh to eat?”
53 Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55 For My flesh is [k]food indeed, and My blood is [l]drink indeed. 56 He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him. 57 As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who feeds on Me will live because of Me. 58 This is the bread which came down from heaven—not as your fathers ate the manna, and are dead. He who eats this bread will live forever.”
59 These things He said in the synagogue as He taught in Capernaum.
Many Disciples Turn Away
60 Therefore many of His disciples, when they heard this, said, “This is a [m]hard saying; who can understand it?”61 When Jesus knew in Himself that His disciples [n]complained about this, He said to them, “Does this [o]offend you? 62 What then if you should see the Son of Man ascend where He was before? 63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life. 64 But there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who would betray Him. 65 And He said, “Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father.”
66 From that time many of His disciples went [p]back and walked with Him no more. 67 Then Jesus said to the twelve, “Do you also want to go away?”
68 But Simon Peter answered Him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. 69 Also we have come to believe and know that You are the [q]Christ, the Son of the living God.”
70 Jesus answered them, “Did I not choose you, the twelve, and one of you is a devil?” 71 He spoke of Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon, for it was he who would betray Him, being one of the twelve.
[Rom 11:2 KJV] 2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
The sheep and goats are about the nations
Unprofitable servants are individuals who will not enter the kingdom but will be cast into outer darkness
Why are you bringing Hebrews 12 into the psalm 2 discussion? I’m discussing the warning to the rebellious kings and rulers of psalm 2
Psalm 2:10-12 Now therefore understand, ye kings: be instructed, all ye that judge the earth. 11 Serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice in him with trembling. 12 Accept correction, lest at any time the Lord be angry, and ye should perish from the righteous way
Barns notes on the Bible on psalm 2:10
Be wise now, therefore, O ye kings - This is to be understood as the language of the psalmist. See introduction to the psalm, Section 3. It is an exhortation addressed to the rulers and princes whom the psalmist saw engaged in opposition to the purpose of Yahweh Psalm 2:1-3 -
Jamiesson bible commentary on psalm 2:10
10-12. kings … judges—For rulers generally (Ps 148:11), who have been leaders in rebellion, should be examples of penitent submission, and with fear for His terrible judgments, mingled with trust in His mercy, acknowledge—
Cambridge Bible commentary on psalm 2:10
Be wise now therefore] Now thereforeshould stand first, as in R.V., emphatically introducing the conclusion to be drawn from the statements of the preceding verses.
kings … judges of the earth] Not the rebel leaders of Psalm 2:2 exclusively, though the warning has a special significance for them, but all world-rulers
Pulpit commentary on psalm 2:10
Verse 10. - Be wise now therefore, O ye kings. The remainder of the psalm contains the advice of the psalmist to the rebels of vers. 1-3, and to all who may be inclined to imitate them. "Be wise," he says," be prudent.
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Paul confirms the identity of "His People" in Romans 11:5.
They are those in Christ, the "remnant according to the election of grace."
Only that remnant will be saved. Romans 9:27
Paul further identifies them as "His People which He foreknew".
Peter confirms Paul in identifying "His People which He foreknew" as the elect, those in Christ.
1 Peter 1:2
Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
Spiritual Israelite
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You have entire nations either inheriting eternal life or being cast into everlasting fire. How can you support that idea with any other scripture? No other scripture teaches such a thing. You are undermining scripture with your interpretation of Matthew 25:31-46.
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