It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

[The Light]

These are general symbolic terms for the judgment of God upon fallen nature and mankind. Revelation 1:1 says, “The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified (or semaino) it by his angel unto his servant John.”

The order: God - Christ - Angel – (signified or symbolized) John

This Greek word semaino is found seven times in the New Testament and is interpreted as follows in the King James Version:

• Signs (John 4:48)
• Signify (Acts 25:27)
• Signifying (John 12:33, 18:32, 21:19)
• Signified (Acts 11:28; Revelation 1:1)

Yeah. The Egyptians got some of that symbolic stuff when the waters of Egypt were symbolically turned into blood.

Is there ever going to come a time that you are going to believe the Word of God and accept what is written? How can you possibly think the 7th seal is already open? Must be the faith you need to believe in Amil.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I suppose it is. Not exactly fighting words, but what man can't handle some friendly ribbing from his friends and collegues? What are we a bunch of women?

So, when you do it, it's just "friendly ribbing", but when people who have different beliefs than you do it, it's insults and calling names. Such a double standard.

That was my point. We're on here and he's wanting a conversation, so I am a man I will give him some. So he said something that brought out some wit from me, man to man. He told me earlier that he likes the humor. So what seems to be the problem, Mamm?

Oh wait, I remember you, you are the one that said, how are you 'sposed to know if it's humor or not? I dunno bro, maybe you dont get my humor or his? But pleease dont cry about it. There aint no women in this conversation !

My goodness you are just a little child. What a complete waste of time it is for anyone to try to have a discussion with you. By the way, don't forget to take your naps.

See the little girl? She dont understand either and looks like she's looking for a direction to run! But it's not that bad Brother, I promise. He hasnt offended me and I havent offended him, so could you put your victim card away now please? You can handle this,

If I was you and believed in your weak doctrine, I would try to turn the discussion towards nonsense like this and away from my weak doctrine, too. So, it's understandable why you do this.

Would being able to take a shot at me make you feel better? Lol. Take your best shot Brother and we can all laugh together because you can't offend me. Your just some guy on the internet that we're talking back and forth...?? I mean it too, take a shot at me, I dont mind.

I remember once as a teenager I said something I shouldnt say to some stranger. Smart mouth and all that. And this man how can I say it? He cussed me out...but he didnt. He didnt use a single curse word. His vocabulary was such that he didnt need to. And it was one of the most humilaitng and humbling experiences of my life! That guy just chopped me down!

Do you have anything to offer of substance to this forum or are you here to just play games? It seems like it's the latter.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

FWIW, I understood you all along, in that regard. I have been around your type before and have been your type before. Nothing you said were fighting words. I get where you are coming from and why you said what you said. Some around here need to lighten up and not take everything so personal and serious all the time. Of course though, there are some cases where I can see someone taking things personal and serious, except this is not the case in your case.

This is rich coming from you. You are possibly the most overly sensitive person on the entire forum and you're telling others to lighten up. Talk about a lack of self awareness.

 

[MA2444]

So, when you do it, it's just "friendly ribbing", but when people who have different beliefs than you do it, it's insults and calling names. Such a double standard.

It's not really a double standard you know. It's all about intentions. My intentions in what I write is pure hearted where others "friendly ribbiing" has different intentions

Am I perfect at it? Lol! Hey, I aint perfect, never said I was. I'm forgiven and will make another mistake tomorrow, lol. Such is man. Good days and bad days.

So you are in reality confusing two different subjects almost (Lol). Intentions. Or maybe there something else going on here? (it is the Lord, It IS The Lord, IT IS THE LORD!). I think the Lord is tryng to teach me something through this thread. And maybe I wasnt really totally getting it in the early parts of the thread...but I'm doing better now. Because I am learning. ( I am still teachable).
But there is no commandment agains humor or guys ribbing each other towards the Lord.

Jesus has a great sense of humor, did you know that?
From what I heard...Jesus once told a female that H e was visiting that her cat contemplates God better than she does!

Did He insult her? Or was He having a sense of humor. Big difference. (Here's where you ask me how to tell the difference between good and bad intentions.)

My goodness you are just a little child. What a complete waste of time it is for anyone to try to have a discussion with you. By the way, don't forget to take your naps.

Thank you so much for the Cmpliment and affirmation Brother! I had been wondering if I am yet childlike enough as scripture instructs us to be.

Now dont start thinking that I'm out to put you down. I've seen your good days and those (too few) good days, I enjoyed talking to you.
You dont want me to forget my naps I get grouchy and a crass sense of humor when I'm grouchy, lol.

If I was you and believed in your weak doctrine, I would try to turn the discussion towards nonsense like this and away from my weak doctrine, too. So, it's understandable why you do this.

Yeah I remember now, you had asked me to let you know if I was using humor so you would know. I'm sorry Brother, I havent been doing that have I! My Apologies, that part was humor.

Do you have anything to offer of substance to this forum or are you here to just play games? It seems like it's the latter.

There's no games here. But speaking on various serious spiritual subjects doesnt imply that there is no humor ever allowed. I can only say that I hope you can develop a sense of humor over time and shake that feeling off of being the one that doesnt get it.

That's how men talk where I'm from. I think it's because of the humor is where they created the phrase, But seriously, about what we were talking about...Then we discuss the subject matter once again after that humerous interlude.

But seriously, I may have asked you this before), I heard you and your Pastor make a lot of statements on the board about doctrine in one way or another, and never anything even remotely approaching anything to do with Spirituality. Why is that?
I even asked you to speak on it before and you ignored me. So that...is curious to me and so I thought I would you again.

You're right, lets get back to some substance!

 

[MA2444]

This is rich coming from you. You are possibly the most overly sensitive person on the entire forum and you're telling others to lighten up. Talk about a lack of self awareness.

He liked my humor yesterday!

 

[MA2444]

This is rich coming from you. You are possibly the most overly sensitive person on the entire forum and you're telling others to lighten up. Talk about a lack of self awareness.

Give your buddy a break man, lol. He been sounding just like you two all day yesterday, well most the day.

He's your comrade in arms and is against pretrib. So go tear him dow some more, lol.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

There's no games here. But speaking on various serious spiritual subjects doesnt imply that there is no humor ever allowed. I can only say that I hope you can develop a sense of humor over time and shake that feeling off of being the one that doesnt get it.

Have you not seen the jokes I have told on this forum? And the funny animated gifs I sometimes use in response to posts that contain complete, utter nonsense? You don't know me at all. I have a good sense of humor and everyone who knows me would tell you that. But, you are joking around on here constantly. There's no balance for you. Everything seems to be a joke to you. Scripture is serious. It's not filled with jokes. So, we should take it seriously. Yes, we can have some humor mixed into the discussions here and there, but this is mostly serious stuff that we're talking about and we should act accordingly. But, you don't seem too interested in that.

That's how men talk where I'm from. I think it's because of the humor is where they created the phrase, But seriously, about what we were talking about...Then we discuss the subject matter once again after that humerous interlude.

That's the thing. It doesn't seem to be just an interlude for you. You're cracking jokes and trying to be humorous most of the time, it seems. I love humor, but that gets old when we're trying to discuss scripture.

But seriously, I may have asked you this before), I heard you and your Pastor make a lot of statements on the board about doctrine in one way or another,

LOL! My pastor....okay, now that was funny. Maybe I'd be more accepting of your humor if you were actually funny more often.

and never anything even remotely approaching anything to do with Spirituality. Why is that?

I'm not sure what you're talking about. I don't want to speak for him. Ask him yourself and clarify what it is that you're talking about exactly. You should not pretend as if you know him or me personally because you don't.

I even asked you to speak on it before and you ignored me. So that...is curious to me and so I thought I would you again.

What are you talking about? I respond to MANY posts on here, but I don't always have time to respond to them all, so how do you know I ignored you? I do not make it a practice of ignoring people.

You're right, lets get back to some substance!

Yes, please.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

He liked my humor yesterday!

He normally gets offended very easily, so that's why I responded the way I did. He's the last person who should be telling others to lighten up. Anyway, I'm tired of this kind of discussion. Such a waste of time. Let's just get back to discussing scripture and stop trying to make everything personal.

 

[MA2444]

Have you not seen the jokes I have told on this forum? And the funny animated gifs I sometimes use in response to posts that contain complete, utter nonsense? You don't know me at all. I have a good sense of humor and everyone who knows me would tell you that. But, you are joking around on here constantly. There's no balance for you. Everything seems to be a joke to you. Scripture is serious. It's not filled with jokes. So, we should take it seriously. Yes, we can have some humor mixed into the discussions here and there, but this is mostly serious stuff that we're talking about and we should act accordingly. But, you don't seem too interested in that.

Oh so you are ready to get back to the topic then? You seem to be harping things about how you have a sense of humor, but are unable to see my humor? That's a wee bit weird brother. And that is the same exact thing that you started doing when we was talking seriously. You would start wah this wah that. You or your Pastor wouldnt even stay on topic, so yeah, I sorta hung up on you and stopped reading what you write. And you came into this thread crying again! Why cant YOU stick to the topic? Why cant YOU reply to the text of scripture? You cant deny doing that because you & your pastor have shown a pattern of derailments, wah this or wah that.

When we wasnt talking about how we should act accordingly! We were talking about scriptures that spoke of a pre trib rapture. So Am I confused or are you confused?

 

[MA2444]

How come I cant write the word "confused" anymore without it putting up a gif that makes it vague what I said to those slow of wit.

Geez, again!
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I wonder if that will work?

 

[rebuilder 454]

As per the course for the lie of pre-trib rapture

They ALWAYS mix Truth with Error in order to feed their pleasure!

Well, at least you have Post 903 correct.

I covered several dynamics.
All from the Bible.
Take it up with the writer.
I am only a reporter.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Oh so you are ready to get back to the topic then?

Yes. That's what I said. It looks like you are not ready for that yet?

You seem to be harping things about how you have a sense of humor, but are unable to see my humor?

I see your attempts at humor. But, you are rarely actually funny, in my opinion. And you are trying to be humorous too often. Can you try to tone it down a bit and mix it in less frequently? I don't think that's asking too much.

That's a wee bit weird brother.

It's a bit weird that after I indicated I wanted to get back to the topic, you are going on about this still. So, do you want to move on or not? It seems not. But, I do.

And that is the same exact thing that you started doing when we was talking seriously. You would start wah this wah that. You or your Pastor wouldnt even stay on topic, so yeah, I sorta hung up on you and stopped reading what you write. And you came into this thread crying again! Why cant YOU stick to the topic? Why cant YOU reply to the text of scripture? You cant deny doing that because you & your pastor have shown a pattern of derailments, wah this or wah that.

LOL. I don't know why I'm wasting my time even reading this. You don't accept when I say I'd like to just get back to discussing scripture? I was being sincere about that. Are you purposely trying to provoke me here? Is that really why you're here? It does seem like you get a lot of entertainment from the back and forth nonsense that goes on here.

When we wasnt talking about how we should act accordingly! We were talking about scriptures that spoke of a pre trib rapture. So Am I confused or are you confused?

Let's discuss scripture. That's what I'd like to do. If you agree then we can do that. If you want to continue just talking this other stuff, then please do so with someone else.

 

[rebuilder 454]

How come I cant write the word "confused" anymore without it putting up a gif that makes it vague what I said to those slow of wit.

Geez, again!
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I wonder if that will work?

I had to write konfoosed to get around it.
Maybe con-fused will work?

 

[rebuilder 454]

It's not really a double standard you know. It's all about intentions. My intentions in what I write is pure hearted where others "friendly ribbiing" has different intentions

Am I perfect at it? Lol! Hey, I aint perfect, never said I was. I'm forgiven and will make another mistake tomorrow, lol. Such is man. Good days and bad days.

So you are in reality confusing two different subjects almost (Lol). Intentions. Or maybe there something else going on here? (it is the Lord, It IS The Lord, IT IS THE LORD!). I think the Lord is tryng to teach me something through this thread. And maybe I wasnt really totally getting it in the early parts of the thread...but I'm doing better now. Because I am learning. ( I am still teachable).
But there is no commandment agains humor or guys ribbing each other towards the Lord.

Jesus has a great sense of humor, did you know that?
From what I heard...Jesus once told a female that H e was visiting that her cat contemplates God better than she does!

Did He insult her? Or was He having a sense of humor. Big difference. (Here's where you ask me how to tell the difference between good and bad intentions.)



Thank you so much for the Cmpliment and affirmation Brother! I had been wondering if I am yet childlike enough as scripture instructs us to be.

Now dont start thinking that I'm out to put you down. I've seen your good days and those (too few) good days, I enjoyed talking to you.
You dont want me to forget my naps I get grouchy and a crass sense of humor when I'm grouchy, lol.



Yeah I remember now, you had asked me to let you know if I was using humor so you would know. I'm sorry Brother, I havent been doing that have I! My Apologies, that part was humor.



There's no games here. But speaking on various serious spiritual subjects doesnt imply that there is no humor ever allowed. I can only say that I hope you can develop a sense of humor over time and shake that feeling off of being the one that doesnt get it.

That's how men talk where I'm from. I think it's because of the humor is where they created the phrase, But seriously, about what we were talking about...Then we discuss the subject matter once again after that humerous interlude.

But seriously, I may have asked you this before), I heard you and your Pastor make a lot of statements on the board about doctrine in one way or another, and never anything even remotely approaching anything to do with Spirituality. Why is that?
I even asked you to speak on it before and you ignored me. So that...is curious to me and so I thought I would you again.

You're right, lets get back to some substance!

Finding Substance with those charachter police is like trying to find teeth on a chicken .

 

[David in NJ]

I covered several dynamics.
All from the Bible.
Take it up with the writer.
I am only a reporter.

False reporting is BAD News

i follow and read the RUACH HaKODESH Good News

Today's Headline: Every word of God is FLAWLESS but some seek to add to His words!!!

 

[MA2444]

Yes. That's what I said. It looks like you are not ready for that yet?

I'm waiting on you. Are you ready? You said you was. would you be ready to leave the book of Revelation for awhile and look closer at the book of Daniel? Or a different aspect of it?

I see your attempts at humor. But, you are rarely actually funny, in my opinion. And you are trying to be humorous too often. Can you try to tone it down a bit and mix it in less frequently? I don't think that's asking too much.

WHat? I'm sorry brother you are sounding vague. I thought you just said you want to get back to the topic?

What to want to here? Draw me up a list of regulations for the thread? I can not input freely? Huh? WHat the? Uhhh...Whoa. Lol. Geez!

LOL. I don't know why I'm wasting my time even reading this. You don't accept when I say I'd like to just get back to discussing scripture? I was being sincere about that. Are you purposely trying to provoke me here? Is that really why you're here? It does seem like you get a lot of entertainment from the back and forth nonsense that goes on here.

Now with all the good humor and good posive energy that I can muster and with no offenses intended at all...
Then why isnt scripture coming out of your fingers and you speaking on the topic.
Lemme check my regulations here. Huh, I'm 'sposed to stay in Revelation and try to answer where in Revelation does it affirm a Pre Trib, Pre Wrath, rapture of the church speciffiacally, otherwise you have defaulted and are a false prophet and a liar and blah blah blah....Lol. No man. That's bunk.

It'ss Daniel or nothing and no snooty demans show me this show me that, then you back off and take pot shots at the pretribbers in glee with your pastor, and it's old dude. YOU are wasting your time? Ha! That's a waste of time for me. All you want to do is get me to set myself up for some of your personal insults and all that crap you & him are fond of....and it aint worth it to me. You write word salad but never really say anything constructive. So yeah, you can stop talking to me at any time.

I guess you never read Isaiah 1:18 before because your stuck in Revelation.

 

[MA2444]

Let's discuss scripture. That's what I'd like to do. If you agree then we can do that. If you want to continue just talking this other stuff, then please do so with someone else.

Are you going to be able to stay on topic?
Are you going to be able to work and play well with others? (Without any insults)
Are you willing to step outside the book of Revelation?

I suggest the Book of Daniel. The way it would have to work with you is start at chapter 1 in Daniel and both of us exegete the verses, verse by verse.
I feel if we do this you may gain some understanding into the pre trib doctrine and how it fits in together as a truth.

If all you gonna do is laugh and reject it and start talking crap, then I'm not interested.
What can you say that would make me want to reason with you considering the pattern you have shown in the past?

(here comes the question lol)

 

[David in NJ]

I'm waiting on you. Are you ready? You said you was. would you be ready to leave the book of Revelation for awhile and look closer at the book of Daniel? Or a different aspect of it?



WHat? I'm sorry brother you are sounding vague. I thought you just said you want to get back to the topic?

What to want to here? Draw me up a list of regulations for the thread? I can not input freely? Huh? WHat the? Uhhh...Whoa. Lol. Geez!


Now with all the good humor and good posive energy that I can muster and with no offenses intended at all...
Then why isnt scripture coming out of your fingers and you speaking on the topic.
Lemme check my regulations here. Huh, I'm 'sposed to stay in Revelation and try to answer where in Revelation does it affirm a Pre Trib, Pre Wrath, rapture of the church speciffiacally, otherwise you have defaulted and are a false prophet and a liar and blah blah blah....Lol. No man. That's bunk.

It'ss Daniel or nothing and no snooty demans show me this show me that, then you back off and take pot shots at the pretribbers in glee with your pastor, and it's old dude. YOU are wasting your time? Ha! That's a waste of time for me. All you want to do is get me to set myself up for some of your personal insults and all that crap you & him are fond of....and it aint worth it to me. You write word salad but never really say anything constructive. So yeah, you can stop talking to me at any time.

I guess you never read Isaiah 1:18 before because your stuck in Revelation.

Open up Daniel

 

[WPM]

Are you going to be able to stay on topic?
Are you going to be able to work and play well with others? (Without any insults)
Are you willing to step outside the book of Revelation?

I suggest the Book of Daniel. The way it would have to work with you is start at chapter 1 in Daniel and both of us exegete the verses, verse by verse.
I feel if we do this you may gain some understanding into the pre trib doctrine and how it fits in together as a truth.

If all you gonna do is laugh and reject it and start talking crap, then I'm not interested.
What can you say that would make me want to reason with you considering the pattern you have shown in the past?

(here comes the question lol)

How about addressing the Op? That is what this thread is all about. Why are you avoiding these relevant passages? What are you scared of? Why would anyone want to write a commentary on multiple passages that make absolutely no mention to the Church, a rapture, a 7-year trib or a 3rd coming? That is ridiculous! This sums up the Pretrib derailment tactics.

 

[David in NJ]

Yes. That's what I said. It looks like you are not ready for that yet?


I see your attempts at humor. But, you are rarely actually funny, in my opinion. And you are trying to be humorous too often. Can you try to tone it down a bit and mix it in less frequently? I don't think that's asking too much.


It's a bit weird that after I indicated I wanted to get back to the topic, you are going on about this still. So, do you want to move on or not? It seems not. But, I do.


LOL. I don't know why I'm wasting my time even reading this. You don't accept when I say I'd like to just get back to discussing scripture? I was being sincere about that. Are you purposely trying to provoke me here? Is that really why you're here? It does seem like you get a lot of entertainment from the back and forth nonsense that goes on here.


Let's discuss scripture. That's what I'd like to do. If you agree then we can do that. If you want to continue just talking this other stuff, then please do so with someone else.

@MA2444 and @Douggg and @Ronald D Milam

are UNWILLING to yield their hearts to the TRUTH of God's words

They seek honor from one another. In doing so they CHANGE scripture to prop up the idol of pre-trib rapture.

They RUN and HIDE from 3 grade school level questions because they KNOW it completely deflates their ego worship of pre-trib.

3 simple questions by the Word of the LORD spoken in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18

#1 - What location is JESUS leaving when He comes for the rapture?

#2- Who is HE bringing with Himself?
a.) "the dead in Christ" or
b.) previously raptured saints

#3 - Which occurs FIRST?
a.) the Resurrection or
b.) the Rapture

@WPM
They are intentionally avoiding/ignoring is what COWARDS do = they run because they know they cannot STAND UP to the CHALLENGE/FIGHT

The second error they commit is to divert away from the TRUTH by misrepresenting scripture in hope that they can mesmerize you just as they themselves have been mesmerized.